B12 injections dangerous?

[Nonameme]

Came across this whilst trying to find out if I can purchase b12 injections whilst in USA later this year.

It may have already have been uploaded to site so apologies if I am late to the party

wolverhampton.gov.uk/news/w...

[clivealive Forum Support]

Sheer scaremongering Nonameme - I'm an 83 year old male who has been having B12 injections every month for over 52 years for Pernicious Anaemia and I'm still "clivealive".

True the stupid NHS guidelines say that they "must" be administered by medical practitioners but one cannot overdose on B12 as any excess is excreted via the urine.

I wish you well

[wedgewood]

B12 injections are not dangerous Dont know what you were reading , but it could not have been a medical article . Also B12 is a vitamin which cannot be overdosed .

No you cannot buy B12 on USA without a prescription in USA , but you can in Canada .

On the forum here we obtain our B12 ampoules from excellent German online pharmacies ( no prescription required in Germany . )

[Technoid]

It is important to consider these dire and "scary" warnings versus the quite moderate warnings and instructions given to those who inject insulin.

There is a certain degree of risk with any injection but there's no need to exaggerate it in the manner that they do in this article. Yes, anaphylactic shock reactions have occurred but:

(1) The number of cases (as far as I'm aware) is in the low single digits, globally and historically.

(2) It is quite possible that this rare reaction was due to some contamination of the solution or preparation.

(3) Because of this , it is often advised (and repeated here) to get the first injection in a medical setting, out of an abundance of caution and use reliable suppliers (which are well known).

Infection and injury to nerves and blood vessels are only possible if one makes an absolute hash of the injection and/or preparation process and this is vanishingly unlikely if reasonable procedures and precautions are followed, for which detailed instruction is easily available and provided to those who ask about it.

Ridiculous and scaremongering article as Clive has said.

[Cherylclaire Forum Support in reply to Technoid]

...all of the above, plus that nerve damage is far, far more likely to have occurred because of untreated/ undertreated B12 deficiency causing demyelination of the nerve bundle in spine. SACD: subacute combined degeneration of the cord.

This is the cause when people use large amounts of nitrous oxide (which depletes B12) over time, as a recreational drug - and end up in a wheelchair.

Now there's something worth warning people about !

[Cornwaller]

I think this is probably the least of Wolverhampton's challenges and the resource should be spent elsewhere. Overall this tosh will cause more harm than good.

[holyshedballs]

Please be aware that the article is written form an Environmental Health perspective. It is not scaremongering.

It is about beauty/aesthetics businesses offering B12 injections to customers.

The concerns are:

>that aestheticists are obtaining B12 illegally

>that aestheticists do not carry a sufficient assessment of the customers health needs or counter indications,

>that aestheticists do not give customers full information for informed consent or

>that aestheticists may not give injections correctly. (e.g. using the wrong site, wrong needle, hitting arteries or nerves, using dirty needles - yes it happens!)

This is not the same as self administering.

The thrust of the article is that going to a beauty parlour for B12 injections may not be safe for a customer.

it is not saying B12 is unsafe.

Because of some bad cases where aestheticists had given poor care resulting in harm to customers, the previous government was considering regulating the industry. the regulators would have been Environmental Health Officers. See this report from the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health

cieh.org/media/4409/r1-regu...

"There are concerns from the medical community about non-medical professionals delivering these treatments, particularly when complications arise, which require fast specialist medical knowledge and attention. The Joint Council for Cosmetic Practitioners (JCCP) published a guidance statement on Responsible Prescribing for Cosmetic Procedures in 2018.16 The guidance, which is approved by the GMC, General Dentistry Council and Royal Pharmaceutical Society, states that the JCCP does not endorse or permit the use of remote prescribing of injectable, topical or oral prescription medication for non-surgical cosmetic treatments in any circumstances."

Doctors protecting their status again!!

[Snoopy99 in reply to holyshedballs]

It appears you're the only one who read and understood the article.

[Sailinglady]

I think my main concern here would be that they (the aesthetecists) are obtaining prescriptions from a gp for themselves and then using these supplies to administer to other people. This is fraudulent use of NHS resources. We should all be concerned by this, because if you are a uk tax payer then you are finding their private service.

My other concerns would rest in their sterile and injection technique.

[debra_bill in reply to Sailinglady]

I think that they're probably buying from the same sources as the rest of us. One prescription every three months isn't going to be much of a business.

[qwertystar]

my b12 levels are 5000, o was told by the nurse to stop and by my private gp. I told them before not to test me as my levels will be high.

I have pernicious anaemia. I will keep self injecting.

[Oneash]

The biggest risk in this circumstance is an allergic reaction to the jab. Which is why you should never inject B12 for the first time on your own. Also inexpert syringe technique.

[Narwhal10]

Hi Nonameme,

It has been discussed previously. This article discusses,

Investigations have found practitioners are obtaining prescriptions in their own name and then using them to treat customers.

holyshedballs, picked up on it. There is a lot of misinformation, disinformation and mal-information out there.

Then again, if you know Medical History they have used ‘insulin therapy’ for hysteria which apparently, originated in the womb. Last week, trending on TikTok was a ‘new chocolate pistachio snack’ which received 4.4 million hits which everyone must have.

When reading an article, a piece of research or whatever please use discernment.

Cofion cynnes

[Nonameme]

I only dropped on this by chance and thought it worthy of comment if only to reassure any one in doubt about so that this a load of old ‘tosh’.

I personally have started a folder to present to my GP and urologist articles and posts ( all identifying details omitted) to show that this subject is not to be ignored and brushed aside.

Not sure it will do any good but I want it attached to my Medical Records when advising I have commenced self injection.

I will also clarify my reading of all books recommended to show what I call thorough research and not purely Dr Google as I am in no doubt this will feature in their response , even if they can be bothered to read and respond.

As an aside, should they make that comment I will refer them to certain televised documentaries (GP behind closed doors) is one where the practitioners regularly print out and or refer to online articles.

Common sense should prevail.

Stepping down off soapbox😉 rant over.