Tennis... Elbows....anyone...? Sudden onset..?

[Treesong2023]

As mentioned earlier...my Neurophysiologist identified nerve damage in my feet just before Xmas. But looking back ..my symptoms sequence (over two years now) seemed to start with increasing fatigue, hot hands, then bizarrely - tennis elbow in my right arm. This "spread" to left arm two months later. Now over the last 18 months. I have been MRI'd CT scanned, endoscoped, the lot - with nothing definitive from them.

So, I don't play tennis, golf, or type a lot or anything - nothing to provoke RSI. My arms began to really really ached at night, waki g me up with the pain.

GP said...again.. it's just tennis elbow. Although he couldn't explain the fatigue or glowing hot hands... and the fact that it...spreads.

These problems later ( 6 months ) developed ( or progressed?) to having a trigger ( middle ) finger on right, then my left hand. And... my feet began to have the tingling / numbness..

I was really really upset and concerned about this development and raised my game with GP. I ended up getting steroid injections (late Nov 2022 ) in my hands and right elbow.

And... it worked!

I was greatly relieved, no pain in hands or at elbows, trigger finger issue gone... Hot hands also less troublesome..

But didn't work for the tingling / numb feet tho..nor the fatigue.

So, I conclude steroids did work ( therapeutically) for my hands...and elbow nerves / tendons...? As it was locally injected...? But not my feet..?

Has anyone ever had such a weird set of symptoms..? I realise I might have a combination of medical issues here.

Tennis elbows anyone...?

Effective steroid treatment..?

. ..Immunological causes here...?

Sorry for another rambling email, I sound bonkers woman I know.

But I am keen to get views..ideas..experiences from you wiser owls.

🦉

[Jillymo]

I developed golfer's elbow and very painful thumb joints which has all improved with the B12 injections !

I had the guided steriod injections that relieved the pain in the top of my left foot. I recently developed a excruciatingly painful ankle so much so I couldn't put any weight on it. Out of desperation I purchased some high strength glucosamine which to my surprise seem's to have greatly reduced the pain ! ! ! We all have so many wierd but not so wonderful symptoms.

I hope yours improve soon.

[Treesong2023 in reply to Jillymo]

Thanks Jillymo. 😃. I am glad the B12's helped. Yes, it seems we all have our own " operating systems" and sets of symptoms. I think the steroids provide a localised therapeutic effect, but I can feel the steroids wearing off. Hey hoe.

So, I will keep the gluecosomine in mind. But I waiting for some more diagnostic blood tests. So, I am wary of " self med'ing " until they are done.

On another tack, can I ask you ( no pressure tno..) ...how long did it take for the B12 to help..and would you mind telling me what treatment cycle you had ? In terms of what the GP did and what you did yourself... You personal black magic..? at the same time...?

I am so glad I found this place!!

Wishing us well.

K. 🌻

[Jillymo in reply to Treesong2023]

Like most I were prescribed the one size fits all 3 monthly injections despite my neurological symptoms. My symptoms persisted so with a battle my Gp granted me two monthly injections but was quite firm in telling me more frequent than that.

I had stinging and burning in my lower limbs and numbness in my feet. My balance was all over the place to the point I were bashing into things and the brain fog was breadful. My gp refered me to a neurologist where Iwere stuck on a list for months so I decided to take matters into my own hands and self inject.

I am now two and a half years of recieving injections and feeling better for it and once again functionig albeit slowly. If I over do it some of the symptom's return but when that happens I give myself an extra shot.

I refuse to suffer at the hands of incompetant so called medics.

[Treesong2023]

Thanks Jilly 🙏 🌻

But did you do any other vitamin supplements as well .. B1. B6..? At that time..?

I only ask as I fear I am not absorbing Vits generally ..? Having found an atrophic area in my stomach following endoscopy.

My feeling is to carpet bomb with vitamins in the future.

Sending kindest.

[Technoid in reply to Treesong2023]

Although probably said in jest I would I advise against carpet-bombing of vitamins 😋 Although B12 cannot be overdosed the same cannot be said for many other vitamins and minerals which can cause just as serious problems in excess as in deficiency. Better to check intake and blood levels first then dose (or adjust diet) accordingly. Some vitamins/minerals do not test well though so this is also something to bear in mind.

[Treesong2023 in reply to Technoid]

Hi Technoid, yes I was saying it in jest. But only partly, in that my panicky feelings make me want to go out and get multivits, cod liver oil, methyl iron etc.. just to try and get my health to a better place. But I know you are right, and I am not letting the worry win, our vitamins and minerals are essential fueling items that require careful handling. Good of you to raise it. Thank you. 🌻

[Technoid in reply to Treesong2023]

I'm doing a nutrition course at the moment and one of the lessons they mention on it is that vitamin and mineral supplements are no substitute for a healthy whole-foods based diet. Foods work together in such complex ways to benefit the body that no supplement can equal them. They mention antioxidant nutrients which have been found to work as pro-oxidants when supplemented at high doses. This is why I'd never advise high dose vitamin E, C, Beta-Carotene, A.

The only exceptions to supplementation would be if you have absorption issues, disease/illness or medical procedures that result in poor uptake or deficiency of vitamins and minerals. Or you follow a restricted dietary pattern (like me LOL) that cuts out entire food groups. Then sure, you need to take enough of whatever you are missing or you need, e.g. B12 in the case of PA etc. But in general terms, for overall health, the bulk of the benefit comes from a healthy, well-balanced diet of mostly whole foods with supplements only in a minor, supporting role. I think of them now more as a "complement" than supplement, just filling in any weak areas in the diet such as B12, D etc.

[pinkypurple58]

yes i had Golfers elbow also

[helvella]

I had both tennis elbow and plantar fasciitis (not at precisely the same time, thankfully).

I am convinced they were mostly (or even entirely) due to hypothyroidism. But I wouldn't suggest that is always the case - just a cause that is often missed by medics.

And my tennis elbow started to improve very suddenly when a physiotherapist tried a therapeutic ultrasound device. I literally felt something change as she was doing it and from then, it slowly improved. She seemed to regard at as somewhat unlikely to help but was pleased when it did.

[Technoid]

This may interest:

"Successful and Complete Recovery of the Ulnar Nerve After Eight Years of Chronic Injury Through Local Steroid Injections: A Case Report"

link.springer.com/article/1...

[Treesong2023]

Thanks Technoid. I will read into this. Really interesting.

It seems that combinations of treatment - not just stock responses can make a real difference. Nerve recovery can happen. Our bodies just need the right help.

We seem to have quite a few Doctor Do-little's and Dr No's in here... Where easy responses of ..maybe eat more red met.. or not actively listening to patients ( who know their body best ) in the first place.