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Just had annual physical and blood work. LDL cholesterol came back elevated so GP wants to put me on a statin medication.

Anybody know of a connection between B12D and elevated cholesterol?

Anybody have experience with statin medication impacting B12 levels?

Last year I had something similar but stopped the statin after a week as my gut was getting screwed up.

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fbirder profile image
fbirder

There may be some influence of low B12 on cholesterol. clinicalepigeneticsjournal.... But the effect is minor - certainly not enough to make a difference in the decision to treat or not to treat.

I've not found anything to suggest statins can affect B12 levels. And I cannot imagine how they might possibly affect the levels of somebody who injects B12.

When I was told I had high cholesterol I point-blank refused statins. I lost 15 kg in weight and fixed the problem.

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helvella

One possible cause of elevated cholesterol is inadequate thyroid hormone.

It is often claimed that before our modern era of blood tests, elevated cholesterol was regarded as a strong indicator of hypothyroidism.

And taking statins when hypothyroid is mentioned as an issue in most documentation.

B12 deficiency can and does occur in conjunction with hypothyroidism.

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deniseinmilden in reply tohelvella

That's fascinating - I always remember an Irish girl at college who was very tall and as thin as a stick who had very high cholesterol, despite a low cholesterol diet. I hope someone eventually tested her for thyroid problems!

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helvella in reply todeniseinmilden

Doesn't sound like hypothyroidism! But I'd be at the front of the queue in saying that everyone is different. :-)

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deniseinmilden in reply tohelvella

Thank you! Thyroid problems are something I find really hard to remember (brain much better but still not keen!) and I should have realised if she was skinny she might have been hyper not hypo (but probably neither).

Maybe that will help me remember.

Thank you for being kind.

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fbirder in reply tohelvella

One thing to bear in mind is that what doctors call 'high' cholesterol often means 'normal'.

The human body doesn't need to consume cholesterol. It can, and will, make it for itself when it thinks it needs it. And it seems that some bodies think they need a lot more than others.

A work colleague got told he had high cholesterol. So he got put on a special diet. His cholesterol dropped - then went back up again. So he got put on a stricter diet. His cholesterol dropped - then went back up again. So he got put on whatever drug was flavour of the month back then. His cholesterol dropped - then went back up again.

So he gave up, went back to living normally and is still OK.

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helvella in reply tofbirder

The issue about how much cholesterol comes from diet has been massively over-played for many years.

My ultra-simplified thought: If your body is making high levels of cholesterol, then the issue is likely either that you need high levels or the control mechanism is awry.

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This article is a study into relationsship between LDL cholesterol and low B12

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/257...

so it could be due to B12 levels not being high enough but there are also a lot of other things that could raise LDL cholesterol.

I think the current direction of research seems to be showing that statins aren't effective in preventing some of the major risks associated with high LDL cholesterol.

aafp.org/afp/2017/0201/p151...

aafp.org/afp/2017/0201/p151...

definitely not an area that I am particularly familiar with and I haven't looked into the downsides of statins.

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pvanderaa in reply toGambit62

Thanks

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Phil8k

Hi Pvanderaa, im going to post you a piece i will copy from a Doctor in the UK who i friend on fb, this is one view but i myself after much online researcher take it the advice as it makes sense.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

LOWERING CHOLESTEROL – A Very Inconvenient Truth

We are being strongly encouraged to lower our cholesterol so as to 'avoid heart disease'. To this end, millions have been prescribed statins (cholesterol-lowering drugs).

For starters, cholesterol does not cause heart disease and lowering cholesterol does not protect against or reduce heart disease.

Cholesterol has a multitude of important functions in the body, such as being the raw material for the synthesis (making) of sex hormones, such as testosterone. By interfering with cholesterol synthesis, statins directly cause erectile dysfunction in millions of men.

Statins are the most profitable (prescribed) drugs on earth. A multi-billion dollar drug. Another billion dollar drug is Viagra. They are both manufactured by the same pharmaceutical giant.

Could this be a simple coincidence, or could this be the perfect business plan? Despite their popularity, the beneficial effects of statins are very very small. But the side-effects (diabetes and impotence) are clearly very profitable too. A win-win.

Stay Woke. In this world, you are either at the table, or on the menu.

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JaninaWalker in reply toPhil8k

@Phil8k...All very true. Also look up that there was a class action lawsuit against a statin maker as people who are middle aged on them can be turned into diabetics because a lack of cholesterol then can cause a lack of ability to make the insulin required by the body.Cholesterol is a required building block for all sorts of hormones and if you also stop the production of cholesterol you also stop the production of CoQ10 which is needed and doctors usually forget to tell you that as they are likely the type who graduated in the bottom half of their class and only pay attention to drug rep pamphlets yet know close to nothing about nutrition or how to cure much of anything.

So the solution to heart disease is take enough antioxidants on top of a proper diet. The antioxidants lower the internal damage so the body lowers the amount of cholesterol produced as it needs less to patch internal damage and yet then can still be allowed to make enough to do the jobs it has to do. The body is run by feedback loops and knows what it is doing. So provide it with the needed nutrition and that is a lot more complicated than it seems.

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Phil8k in reply toJaninaWalker

Yes i agree with all you say Janina and its good to hear a like minded person with this information. Ive said for years in the UK its a DIY health service and one has to research ones own case particularly when it comes to body chemistry.

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Lufer

I can’t comment on connection between b12and cholesterol levels but just to say that if one of your issues with b12 deficiency is experiencing lightheadedness then the statin may exacerbate this as dizziness has been reported as a side effect. I have had personal experience of this and since stopping Statins ( tried different types) fewer lightheaded events. Just something to be aware of, may not be an issue for you and I guess as with everything, benefit/risk assessment.

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Phil8k

Another post from the same Dr. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

IT'S TIME TO STOP FEARING EGGS

Cholesterol is one of the most important nutrients in your body. Your liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol you need.

Eggs have recently been whitelisted by most world and country-specific health organisations. There is now no recommended limit on how many eggs people should eat. Here's why.

A large egg contains around 185mg of cholesterol. An average adult makes about 1000mg of cholesterol per day - more if you are pregnant, under stress or recovering from surgery.

Eating one egg a day barely makes a dent to your blood cholesterol. Neither does eating 10 eggs a day. The higher your dietary cholesterol, the less cholesterol your liver produces. This is called homeostasis, and it's the way the body maintains a perfect balance to keep us alive.

Now go ahead and enjoy the nutrition powerhouse that is the humble egg.

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Phil8k

Also in my search i have found that Cholesterol is needed to absorb D3 particularly to convert the suns rays on our skin. I was searching to find a confirmation of this and although this it taken from a vitamin product add its interesting to see :---

vitamindwiki.com/Overview+C...

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Phil8k

Pvanderaa, ive found the piece i was looking for,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

VITAMIN D - What's Going On?

Vitamin D deficiency is rising. It has been linked to heart disease, cancer and diabetes, and is well known to cause rickets.

Cholesterol under our skin is converted to Vitamin D by the sunshine. We can also get Vit. D by eating lots of eggs, oily fish, mushrooms and full-fat dairy products.

We are being told that Vit. D deficiency is rising. In the same breath, we are being advised to lower our cholesterol, limit our intake of eggs, eat only low-fat dairy, slap our skin with sunblock, and limit our sun exposure.

We know that the dangers of Vit. D deficiency far outweigh those of excess sun exposure. We also know that cholesterol is a vital nutrient that is essential for life. So why not just tell us to eat more eggs, more full-fat dairy and get plenty of (safe) sunshine?

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onyx33

I have PA and Hashimoto's and I am told high cholesteral, I don' take statins because I think like HRT a few years ago they are dished out as a health solution for all cholesteral issues when this is debatable and drug companies are doing very nicely out of it, as they did out of HRT. I already have muscle pain, statins could add to this. I already have enough trouble with memory and thinking because of the PA and statins could add to this. My doctor kindly told me I could have a heart attack or stroke if I didn't take them and had no time for my objections but after experiencing so much poor medical treatment for my PA my confidence in medical opinion is greatly diminished.

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BirdlessBox

The thing that would worry me is that Cholesterol is used for the myelin on your nerves while B12 deficiency destroys the myelin on your nerves. I have slightly high cholesterol and I'm thankful. I personally would not take any drug with a reputation for creating muscle and brain atrophy to strip cholesterol from a body that may be in need of it. If it is so high you are worried try a diet change first, and do a lot more research to make an informed decision.

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B12X

Hi

This has just happened to me too

I had raised cholesterol anyway

I stopped smoking and all alcohol and its come back even higher at 8.9

And nobody seems concerned

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Nackapan

I alsi have been told me cholesterol has gone up. But akso told that the 'ratio' was okay. (Lipids) it's always been higher than the figure it should be. I think recently it's gone uo as I've tried to get more easily absorbed iron and b12 in my diet. Sometimes you can't win. I'm not taking statins

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Sheepysammy

I have never heard of Vit B12 causing high cholesterol, or everyone would have high cholesterol i guess. My cholesterol was already high but has increased from medication. I am trying a cholesterol lowering diet my Dr. Recommended to try for 6 months . It is basically vegan but with high amounts of soya and almonds with certain fruits and vegetables. I am on day 3. It is difficult to get all the soya into me but we are learning different recipes.

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