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Got the shots down to 10 weeks from 12 with GP, still massively struggling! Should I self-inject?

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Hello, first post here!

I was diagnosed with Pernicious Anaemia and lack of intrinsic factor over a year ago and was given the loading shots and then put on a 12 weekly B12 injection.

A few months ago I went back to the GP and begged to be given them more often, and they agreed to do it every 10 weeks but no more.

My quality of life is at an all time low - I'm constantly fatigued, my productivity at work has tanked and every night I get home and collapse into bed. I'm thinking about self-injecting but slightly anxious about it. Should I ask my GP first? I have a friend who is a nurse who could show me how to do it...

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Hi trevthedog , my OH was in exactly the same place as you 18 months ago , exhausted , unwell , sleeping a lot , and many other symptoms , I inject him with b12 every Sunday and now it’s just routine , takes a few seconds . He is much less tired now , and a lot better . He also has low ferritin so he’s on ferrous fumerate so it may be worth asking your gP to check your ferritin level also thyroid . Don’t forget if you decide to SI you will need to take folic acid every day to help b12 to work . Great you know a nurse to help . Good luck .

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fbirder in reply toAnnnon58

You shouldn't need to take folic acid every day if you eat a sensible diet. It is a myth that injecting B12 increases the body's need for folate.

Of course, taking 400 mcg a day isn't going to be harmful.

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Well done trevthedog in getting your doctor to agree to ten weeks between injections but with P.A. and neurological involvement the N.I.C.E. guidelines state that B12 injections should be given every eight weeks.

Click on the link, then on "Scenario: Management" and scroll down to "Treatment for B12 deficiency"

google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j...

If you can get to see a doctor please also ask him/her to check your Folate level as this and B12 help your iron to make red blood cells and to function properly.

I am not a medically trained person but I've had Pernicious Anaemia (one of many causes of B12 deficiency) for more than 46 years.

I wish you well.

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Sleepybunny

Hi,

Have you thought about joining and speaking to PAS? They can offer support and info and can sometimes intervene directly.

PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society)

Based in Wales, UK.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

PAS tel no +44 (0)1656 769717 answerphone

PAS support groups in UK

There may be one close to you. can eb useful sources of info about helpful GPs etc.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

Lots of useful PA info on PAS website in library section.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

B12 Deficiency Info website

b12deficiency.info/

"was given the loading shots and then put on a 12 weekly B12 injection. "

Recommended UK b12 treatment for B12 deficiency without neuro symptoms is ....

6 B12 loading jabs over 2 weeks followed by a b12 jab every 2 or 3 months

Recommended UK b12 treatment for B12 deficiency WITH neuro symptoms is ....

A B12 loading jab every other day for as long as symptoms continue to get better (could mean weeks even months of loading jabs) then a jab every 2 months

If you have neuro symptoms, my understanding is that you should be on second pattern of treatment if in UK. See BNF, NICE CKS and BSH links for more info on UK B12 treatment. BNF treatment guidance has changed recently, see link below. I suspect your GP is unaware of the change in BNF.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

How many loading jabs did you have at start of treatment?

Do you have any neuro symptoms eg tingling, pins and needles, tremors, restless legs, tinnitus, memory problems, balance problems plus others?

B12 Deficiency Symptoms

pernicious-anaemia-society....

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

UK B12 documents

BSH Cobalamin and Folate Guidelines

b-s-h.org.uk/guidelines/gui...

Flowchart from BSH Cobalamin and Folate Guidelines

stichtingb12tekort.nl/weten...

BMJ B12 article

bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g5226

BNF

bnf.nice.org.uk/drug/hydrox...

NICE CKS

cks.nice.org.uk/anaemia-b12...

UK B12 Blogs

Martyn Hooper's blog about PA

martynhooper.com/

B12 Deficiency Info blog

b12deficiency.info/blog/

Unhappy with Treatment (UK info)?

Letters to GPs about B12 deficiency

b12deficiency.info/b12-writ...

Point 1 in above link is about under treatment of B12 deficiency with neuro symptoms.

CAB NHS Complaints

citizensadvice.org.uk/healt...

HDA patient care trust

UK charity that offers free second opinions on medical diagnoses and medical treatment.

hdapatientcaretrust.com/

B12 books I found useful

"What You Need to Know About Pernicious Anaemia and B12 Deficiency" by Martyn Hooper

Martyn Hooper is the chair of PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society). Book is up to date with UK b12 guidelines.

"Living with Pernicious Anaemia and Vitamin B12 Deficiency" by Martyn Hooper

Has several case studies.

"Could it Be B12?: An Epidemic of Misdiagnoses" by Sally Pacholok and JJ. Stuart (USA authors)

Very comprehensive with lots of case studies. There is also a paediatric version of this book "Could It Be B12? Paediatric Edition: What Every Parent Needs to Know".

More B12 info in my longer posts (just put Sleepybunny in search box) and in pinned posts on this forum.

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