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B1 Survey - wow, B1 wins big time.

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After just one day and over a hundred responses, I counted 49 Yes (helps) and just 9 No’s (hoax).

Thank you for all your participation! I think this totally unscientific survey will help many of us and I am grateful for your many responses.

For those critical of my survey, no problem, I’m happy! I also started taking B1 again!

Would those of you that b1 has helped, would you mind responding with the dosage and time of day. Just a short answer please. That could be helpful to many of us.

Again thank you, thank you. Together we can make a difference. The c/l I take was invented 50 years ago . That’s how much the Pharmaceuticals have helped!!!!!

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Two grams, capsules in the a.m. and again in late afternoon or earlier. Four grams daily.

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park_bear

2.5 g upon arising then 1 g afternoon.

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Jennyjenny2 in reply topark_bear

Please park_bear could you tell us how you got to this dosage? I had thought taking it in the afternoon could interfere with sleeping. Your answer is very interesting as we’re trying to work out the optimal dosage here and anything different could be worth trying.

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park_bear in reply toJennyjenny2

Regarding the afternoon dosage it is how much I can tolerate without interfering with sleep. If I take too much I feel energized when I am trying to sleep and do not get fully rested. For a while I could only tolerate 500 mg before bed but my tolerance seems to have changed. Actually, if I get around to taking it in the early afternoon I will take 1.5 g. Sometimes I do not get around to it until bedtime so then I play safe with just a 1 g dosage.

So I have had to experiment and you probably will too.

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Jennyjenny2 in reply topark_bear

Thank you park_bear, I appreciate your reply. So many varied responses on here. We’ll continue experimenting, we’re nearly there! There have been SO many improvements so far (around 75-80%) and maybe we’re expecting too much by wanting 100% 🙂

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LAJ12345

2000mg total. 500 at breakfast, 500 at lunch, plus 1g dissolved in bottle of water with mannitol, b2, b3, d-ribose and unsweetened black currant juice sipped all day. But still trying to determine ultimate rate.

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Jennyjenny2

500mg before breakfast (7-7.30am), then 500mg before lunch (11.30am), but still tweaking the dosage slightly....

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Delfino

Ho 63 anni PD diagnosticato 3anni fa.

Per 1 anno mi sono curata soltanto con 3 Grammi di tiamina al giorno:1,5 la mattina e 1,5 a pranzo. Sintomi dimezzati. In seguito dietro consiglio del dottor Costantini ho aggiunto 1 capsula e mezzo di carbidoba/levodopa sinemet

100+25. 1 la mattina e mezza a pranzo.

Sintomi quasi spariti.

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chartist in reply toDelfino

TRANSLATION of Delfino's post :

I am 63 years old PD diagnosed 3 years ago.

For 1 year I only treated myself with 3 grams of thiamine per day:1.5 in the morning and 1.5 at lunch. Symptoms halved. Following Dr Costantini's advice, I added 1.5 capsules of carbidoba/levodopa sinemet.

100+25. One and a half in the morning for lunch.

Symptoms almost disappeared.

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38yroldmale

1 gram breakfast

1 gram lunch

2 grams total

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Juliegrace

80mg injections, twice weekly (Sunday and Wednesday) before 10 AM.

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Springfield78

50 mg. injections twice weekly - AM Tuesday and Friday

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Kia17

3grs Solgar Thiamine daily divided dose of 1.5grs morning 1.5 grs afternoon 6 days a week.

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Dap1948

I take one 100mg SUBLINGUAL tablet every other day. You put it under the tongue and it enters the bloodstream. It doesn’t go through the digestion so it doesn’t need to be hcl and you don’t need as much. It works for me!

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Niggs in reply toDap1948

Hi Dap

Do you take 1 x 100mg sublingual? Or are they smaller doses...? I could only find the Source Naturals brand in the UK which are 25mg x 60.

Thank you

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Dap1948 in reply toNiggs

I take superior source 100mg tablets from... healthymonthly.co.uk

In 2017 I took one tablet each day. Now I take it four days a week. They taste bitter but you get used to them! You must leave them under the tongue until they've dissolved. They mustn't be washed down through digestion!

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Niggs in reply toDap1948

Thank you for your prompt reply Dap. Very interesting, you seem to bridge the gap between oral/gastric tract and intramuscular methods of delivery.

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Dap1948 in reply toNiggs

That's what I feel!

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Gioc in reply toDap1948

Dap, very interesting, Could I ask you the brand ?

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Dap1948 in reply toGioc

Microlingual B1 from 'superior source' 100mg tablets. From healthmonthly.co.uk. You must keep them under the tongue until they've dissolved. They taste bitter but you get used to them. I tried the B1 hcl capsules and powder but couldn't find the correct dose. I find the sublingual much easier! In 2017 I took one every day. Now I take four a week.

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Gioc in reply toDap1948

Thank you,

Very wise Dap,

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Millbrook in reply toDap1948

Wow. It means that you are on very low dose just like my husband. He is taking 50 mg solgar hcl daily but on sat and tues it’s 100 mg.

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Dap1948 in reply toMillbrook

No it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm on a low dose. I take something that goes straight into the bloodstream not through the digestion, so it's half way between an injection and your solgar hcl.

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dcpambrose in reply toDap1948

does B1 help in bradykinesia or slowness of movement?

Dap1948 profile image
Dap1948 in reply todcpambrose

I think it does. But try it and see. What have you got to lose?!

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Alemanda in reply toDap1948

Where do you buy sublingual thiamine?

Dap1948 profile image
Dap1948 in reply toAlemanda

From healthmonthly.co.uk or from Amazon.com. It's called superior source microlingual. Dissolvable tablets are NOT necessarily microlingual.

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Niggs

Solgar B1 HCL tablets 500mg x 3

total daily dose 1500mg,

3.00 am, 9.00 am, 12.00 noon

(tried 250mg capsules-dissolve quicker & more efficiently but perversely are not as effective, maybe they are voided via the urinary tract quicker, or just a quirk of my body-system)

Thank you for your original post DavDav, simple is good, often folk can't see the wood for the trees.

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tudorwood

Hi DavDav, my Wife has been taking 2mg HDT injection once a week for about 9 months without any improvement, about 3 weeks we dropped the dosage to 1mg in the recommendation of Connie in Buffalo NY, her balance hasn’t improved but her walking has, she is walking faster and her legs seem stronger, maybe her balance will improve too. Thanks Connie

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ConnieD in reply totudorwood

Hi tudorwood I’m glad your wife is feeling better except for her balance issues but as I mentioned in my message to you I am not a Dr, have not tried injections, and the post I messaged you about you mentioned she was taking 200mg injections not 2mg which is quite different. As I mentioned in my message to you in my communication with Dr C he always told me if symptoms worsened to take a break and start on a lower dose. I mentioned checking out Roy’s Facebook page or searching on HU. My hope was to point you in the right direction so you could help your wife. Also although I may try again I have been up and down the oral route and am currently taking a break from B1 as I said in my message. Again I’m no expert there is I would think a big difference between 2 mg injections and 200mg injections. Someone here could inform you better!😊 Connie

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tudorwood in reply toConnieD

Hi Connie, sorry my mistake, she was taking 50mg/2ml, she now taking 1ml weekly.

Andrew

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ConnieD in reply totudorwood

No problem Andrew I just don’t want to give you or anyone the impression that I could give advice regarding dosages. O

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tudorwood in reply totudorwood

That’s ok Connie, quite understand. Andrew

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ConnieD in reply totudorwood

Pressed send again too soon 😳 Most importantly your wife is better and I’m so happy for you both!! I’m sure by searching on this site and Roy’s Facebook page you will meet many members who do take injectable HDT and then may be able to compare notes and fine tune your wife’s dosage for even better results!! I enjoyed our messaging regarding Ireland it’s sounds like such a beautiful place, being Irish I hope to get there one day. Hope you and your wife have continued success with B1 and God bless you both!!😊☘️

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Gioc

100mg injections intramuscolar, twice weekly Sunday and Wednesday in the morning, one week off every three by original Dr C. protocol.

Very easy , very powerfull for me, no side effects know for me.

It need always doctor recipe and supervision at the start.

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Stebenjoe

Solgar 500mg tablets

I take 1 gram at breakfast and 1 gram at lunch.

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Michael101

Dose of b1 to produce results on its own or with say with sinemet or any other dopamine production assisting drug ?

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Pa-zzi69

In my 3rd month of B1 regimen. Started at 500mg/day, then 250mg on suspicion of overdose, now 350mg and encouraged to increase cautiously to 450mg after reading above responses in the 1 to 4g range. Planning to monitor my B1 level with blood test [is one or more of you doing it?]. No other medication; diagnosed 15 months ago with mild symptoms.

MarcP

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ion_ion

I started 2x1g/day Solgar 500 pills. Now taking 1g/day , 2x500 before lunch.

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moparkie715

I take 300 mg before breakfast and 100 or 200mg before lunch. I am still tweaking my dosage. I was taking 500mg just in the morning and it felt like too much.

It has helped my walking and freezing

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Biff69

I take 1gram at breakfast then every other day I take a 500mg mid afternoon. I tried reducing to 500mg a day but my wife noticed that I had reduced as my mood dropped & my face started to mask again

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Alemanda

I’m still tweaking, too. I started with 500 mg in the morning and again around lunch; tremors got worse. Now I take 200 mg at both times. I don’t seem to be as sleepy after C/L and my pain and anxiety have diminished some. Generally, I feel better.

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MBAnderson

Unfortunately, I can't make a certain connection, but FYI, I inject 1 mL every 5 or 6 days and take 500 mg orally daily.

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jimcaster

2 500 mg tablets in the morning and 1 tablet in the afternoon. Sometimes just 1 tablet in the morning and 1 in the afternoon.

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sprildiver

Just 250mg 3 times a day with meals.

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alaynedellow

I take a low dose as it makes symptoms worse on large dose but it is still effective. As Dr C said after my second video 'I lost my parkinsonism face'. I cut open a 500 mg capsule divide into 4 portions and dissolve it on my tongue. Odd maybe but i bought large capsules and on my tongue it saves getting into digestive system.

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Debgiffen

2 Vitacost 500 mg capsules at breakfast and 2 more at lunch. 2 grams total.

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Kewlfox

50mg injected, twice weekly.

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Dana51

Solgar HCL - started off slowly with 100mg breakfast and lunch and progressed to 300mg at breakfast and lunch. Still increasing by 100mg twice daily each week. I’m interested to hear that some people take a lower dose in the afternoon. Every PWP is different but so good to read the responses of others’ experiences.

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AaronS

4g nightly in 1 go

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Goldencbc

100 mg of B1 in the morning and afternoon. I started at 1000 mg per Dr. C and worked my way down. It’s been 6 months and my balance is better, smell returned, arm swing and walking is better.

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TL500 in reply toGoldencbc

are you also on medication? If so still same meds level as before B1? Thanks

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Goldencbc in reply toTL500

See above.

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Goldencbc in reply toGoldencbc

Yes. C/L cr. 25//100 2x day. Selegiline 5mg 2x day. Same before starting B1.

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TL500 in reply toGoldencbc

Thanks for your reply. You didn't have these improvement with meds alone?

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Goldencbc in reply toTL500

No.

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TL500 in reply toGoldencbc

That's good news about B1 helping PD. Thanks.

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reedboat2

100 mg IM injections 2x per week

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munchybunch

My husband takes 2 gs in am and 2 grams after lunch as doc c recommended.

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Stevenmast

1 gram with my first dose of mucuna around 9:30 a.m. and one gram with my second dose around 1:30

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1rocketman

My husband is doing 1g 3× daily: 7 am, 12 pm and 4 pm, same time as his Sinemet (helps him not to forget taking his b1.)

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KLDA

Question??? Will taking B-1 interfere with Carb/Levo? Should I take it a couple of hours after my my medication?

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Cons10s

Yes, mostly helped or fully eliminated non motor symptoms.

Swallowing confidence.

Voice tone and deflection.

Limb pain and weakness.

Constipation.

Helped balance.

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lempa_nik

Sorry for chiming in so late.

Here is a tenth "No."

But I haven't given up . Still hoping to find an effective dose. Right now I am taking 1gm a.m., 0.5 gm p.m. My main symptom is tremors, which B1 does not usually help. My non-motor symptoms are still mild. So how can I tell it is not helping? By the continuing progression.

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Aussie_Ben

I started taking B1 last year and did not find any benefit. Since then I have started to take small dose of Madopar (3 x 62.5 a day) and also started B1 again 3 months ago. 4 x 500m was too much and I have settled on 2 x 500mg before breakfast and 1 x 500mg Solgar before lunch. The B1 has made a difference and I am better in fine motor skills, sleeping and mood. My UPDRS score (I do my own on a spreadsheet) is back to where I was 3 years ago, one year after DX. This supports the idea that B1 works better in conjunction with some dopamine. However, exercise is most likely still my best medicine and it includes walking for 30 minutes each day and 50 minutes at the gym three times a week. I should do more!

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Parkie- in reply toAussie_Ben

Hello AussieBen

Where did you get the UPDRS score spreadsheet?

Thank you

in reply toParkie-

UPDRS whats your score? Find out here.

UPDRS Scoring System

Online calculator, click on Start Scoring:

farmacologiaclinica.info/sc...

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Aussie_Ben in reply toParkie-

I produced my own spreadsheet using the standard questions and adding a summary page with comparisons to previous assessments. Happy to share with private users.

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KERRINGTON

Started B1 14 mos ago at 4 grams...down to 1/2 gram a day. Helps with balance, gait, rigedity.

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chartist

What I have noticed is that many people who reported very good to excellent results in the original post where forum members using HDT were discussing their results using HDT/ B-1, have not come back to update or rarely do so. I guess when it works well, some people do not feel the need to come back and give updates.

Part of the problem is that that thread now has 790 replies in it and it is slow to load because of that number of posts. Here is a link to that post. It seems that some of the people who have posted their results in this thread are newer and their names do not appear in the original post , so there are still forum members testing or using B-1 beyond that post.

healthunlocked.com/parkinso...

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KERRINGTON in reply tochartist

Yes, and then there are people like me who are still trying to get their B1 rhythm, and don't want to report anything till they get it right. Started at 4 gms 16 mos ago...down to 150-250mg.

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