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For those interested in the science of Ketogenic Diet

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This short article is a few years old but is a look at the science of dietary ketosis. It is in no way an endorsement of the diet, but explains what is known about the science of ketosis:

blogs.scientificamerican.co...

The article ends as it starts, by advising that you discuss with your doctor before embarking on such a diet. Much more research study is required before it becomes a main stream medical option.

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Measured:

Ketostix - ketostix measured small to moderate urine ketones. 40 mg/dL

Serum Meter - attaining blood ketone levels of 0.5-3.0 millimolar is required to be considered in a state of nutritional ketosis or ketone adaptive.

diet:

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BEST web sites:

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There has been a lot of speculation on whether the Ketogenic diet may be effective in other neurological disorders; a small amount of research is starting to appear. We have a Mum on site trying Keto for her child with a brain tumor, already seeing improvement!

Who knows what the future may be, perhaps Alzheimer’s patients being treated with Atkins or MCT, or Motor neuron disease patients treated with Ketocal!

Modified Adkins Diet

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This diet induces ketosis without fluid, calorie, protein restrictions, nor the need for fasting, food weighing or hospitalization (hospital w/Classical keto diet). All 28 patients on the diet for at least one week became ketotic. 21 (75%) reported large (80 to 160 mg/dL) urinary ketosis.

The diet is a "modified" Atkins diet as it allows for less carbohydrates than traditional Atkins (10-30g/day) and more fat intake. - See more at: epilepsy.med.nyu.edu/diagno...

The diet is not worked out to any set ratio as with the Classical diet and you don’t have to give a percentage of the meal in the form of a liquid fat supplement as you do with the MCT diet.

The Atkins guidelines call for at least 6oz of (weighed uncooked) protein at each meal. Older adults need at least 15 per cent more than younger people because they use protein less efficiently.

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Ketogenic Diet for Epilepsy (KDE)

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There has been at least one study, though, where some achieved better seizure control when they switched from the Atkins diet to the KDE.

Modified Atkins Diet

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Dwinston

10/24/2006 4:38 AM (GMT -6)

His quote: His experience:

“When I was first diagnosed, I went through different mental stages...disbelieve, fear, depression, apathy, anger...etc. The most important thing is to have a Neurologist who works with Parkinson's patients regularly. I left two behind before I found one with a working knowledge of PD. Same with my General Practioner, I changed twice before getting someone who would work with the Neurologist and take the time to keep abreast of PD treatments. I travel 75 miles one way to my Neurologist, but it is well worth it. He is a research Professor in movement disorders at a teaching hospital. You and your husband need to find the right medical professionals for you.

My neurologist told me it is difficult to estimate the rate of progression until at least 5 years of history is available. Then they can chart the future as it is based on the rate establish in those first 5 years. I am 63 years old today. I am looking forward to some more good years ahead.”

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That rate of progression can be altered with the right supplements. Check out mark hymans recommended ones...that's where we started and no doubt they have had a positive effect.

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Just recently in another post, I saw that high protein was not recommended. So, my question is, how does this diet help, if high protein is a culprit?

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A single serving of meat should be the size of a deck of cards.

I do not have the reference for the following:

A keto diet can take on many forms, but it typically involves the restriction of carbohydrates to no more than 50g per day. Sources should typically come from whole foods like vegetables, nuts, dairy, and so on. Refined carbohydrates, like bagels, pasta, and cereals, should be avoided, as should refined sugars (including high-sugar fruits and fruit juices).

Meals, therefore, should mostly be comprised of protein and some healthy fats (like olive oil, coconut oil, and avocados). A good rule of thumb is to follow the 60/35/5 rule in which 60% of calories come from fat, 35% from protein, and 5% from carbs. Protein should be set at about 1.5 to 1.75g of protein for every kilogram of your ideal body weight.

For comparison, a typical Western diet is about 5-15% protein, 10-20 % fat, and 65-85% carbohydrates.

It’s also important to not overdo the protein; a high-protein diet may prevent the body from entering into ketosis. Also, this is not a form of intermittent fasting

Why it works

Actually, we’re not entirely sure why it works so well. But some theories are beginning to emerge.

Keto diets have beneficial effects in a broad range of neurological disorders, particularly those involving the death of neurons. Scientists think it may have something to do with the effects of cellular energetics.

As already noted, the keto diet is associated with increased circulation of ketones in the body, which is a more efficient fuel for the brain. Ketones may also increase the number of brain mitochondria — the power packs inside of cells.

It’s possible that the boosted energy production capacity created by these effects is what gives our neurons an enhanced ability to resist metabolic challenges. Other biochemical changes — namely ketosis, high fat levels, and low glucose levels — may contribute to neuronal protection through a number of antioxidant and anti-inflammatory actions.

The keto diet is being increasingly considered for the treatment of many neurological diseases and injuries, a list that includes Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, stroke, and even traumatic brain injuries. The keto diet can also improve memory function in older adults with increased risk for Alzheimer’s.

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Thanks RoyProp,

The next issue that my husband has is the fact that his swallowing has become so bad that he is choking and aspirating a lot, even some liquids. He has a bone disorder that has grown extra calcification down his spine, locking his neck and cervical vertebrae and making his neck very immobile in addition to the muscle tone being decreased. I am now looking for recipes that could be made into thick soups that he could drink. We may have to resort to a feeding tube in the near future if he cannot swallow enough calories. We had Botox injections in the salivary glands to decrease the excess saliva, but that has not seemed to helped much so far. He cannot talk much as the secretions that he has to continually swallow interfere with him taking a breath to be able to speak. His Parkinson's is not the usual Parkinson's as he has essential tremors in his right had first and now has moved to his left hand. He has never had resting tremors. He freezes when he tries to walk, so his walking is limited to just around the house when he has to. A year or so ago, he was doing coconut oil - 6-8 tablespoons a day, but then felt like he did not benefit from it and stopped. . Now, he cannot swallow the coconut solid by the tablespoons as he has in the past. HE is not on any medications other that Tylenol for the arthritic type pain that he has. The PD medications mostly just put him to sleep. We spoke to his dr about Azelict (spelling?) but it turned out to be too expensive to be worth a trial run. He was diagnosed in the Spring of 2013 and worked full time until October of 2015 when he developed a severe bladder infection and left him unable to urinate. He turned 71 this past February.

This is a terrible disease. I am at a loss and trying anything and everything to help him.

clloyd

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I had swallowing problems. I finally went to a therapist and did the exercises. It really helped! I know he probably cannot go to a therapist, but you could Google the same thing on the computer. I have to remind myself to continue the exercises 2 or 3x a week. Good luck.,

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