Hi All.
I have been watching the Chris Wark Square One protocol, and wonder if anyone else has seen them or follows the recommendations in his book.(Chris Cured Cancer) What do you think? He is very personable, but genius or charlatan? What do you think?
I read on the internet that after having an operation to remove a tumour he was given a 50/50 chance of recurring. Could it be that he wouldn't have recurred anyway without his extensive merchandise business, book sales, video sales and DVD's not to mention media interviews. Call me a cynic but if all it really takes is a change in diet and juicing wouldn't cancer be a thing of the past?
Sorry I am on the side of charlatan x
I would be interested to hear your thoughts. Do you follow his recommendations or taking any of the supplements he suggests?
Jenny
My feeling about him and others offering ‘cures’ is taken from Dara Obrien .... let these people subject their theories diets and potions to scientific scrutiny and if they prove to be effective we will call it..... medicine!
I have survived nearly 5 years with no recurrence after a stage 4 diagnosis.... why? I have no idea! I have suggested here before that mini cheddars might have preventive qualities (joke) but I do feel very strongly that people who turn their lucky escapes into crusades which recruit the worried and the desperate into unproven schemes and diets that might cause harm should be outlawed. I am sorry if my views upset anyone... but I do care about this community of ours xx
I think its worth a try. I know lots of people think he's just in this for money, and yea maybe he does earn income from it, but the thing I like about him is he does lots of videos with other people (like Jane McLelland) who have found other ways to defeat their cancers. In terms of making money, Jane McLelland is making a fair bit from her book, as do any other authors who write success stories about their cancers, so I'm not upset that he might be earning a living out of it. Its clear he's interested in other people's stories, even though they may have done things he never did, and he's definitely a committed cancer warrior, its seems its almost his life's mission. He strikes me as being quite open to other ideas and methods, and is fully aware that what works for other people might be different - after all, there's more than one way to skin a cat, and cancer's a funny thing, it doesn't always kill people when it should have done. Sometimes it goes completely, or goes into a long remission when either of those seems very much against the odds, and with people following a range of various alternative protocols, not just his. He also sometimes includes something else in his recommendations that he's heard about from someone he's done a video with about their own success story with cancer, and takes that up himself. He seems flexible and open to other ideas and methods to me.
I'm sorry to say I completely missed the webinars, my internet was down for a few days so I missed the opportunity to take up the chance of watching (I was emailed about it), so I don't know precisely what's involved in his Square One protocol, but if you can follow it, its not too expensive and not to difficult and restrictive for your own lifestyle, I'd definitely give it a go. Why not, really...
Miriam
Haven't seen his book, originally read Suzanne summers book, her stuff is expensive. So I did the best I could with regular vitamins. Coq10, turmeric,curcumin. Vit D, other than that I just eat what I want. Best wishes Liz
Also cancer free since 2014.
Lots of you here know my thoughts on this man. We had an in-depth conversation about him a couple of years ago but I feel this requires further comment as we have lots of new people here in our lovely forum.
After doing lots of research on him some time back, I came to the conclusion that he is, at best, a dangerous individual who is encouraging vulnerable people, at a really difficult and desperate time in their lives, to eschew proven medicinal methods and follow his beliefs that we can cure cancer by following his ideas and by using both products and dietary recommendations instead of chemo. Yes chemo is toxic but it’s toxicity is valid and, in many cases, proven whereas his recommendation are unfounded and he has nothing to compare his findings to nor does he have a test case to use to support any of his ideals. He has not had chemo so he does not know. He has been fortunate to not have any reoccurrence, as yet and I truly hope he never does, but is this because of or in spite of his methodology?. We cannot know simply because we cannot know because it cannot be proved one way or the other. But for him to state it is solely because he has followed his own chosen path cannot have any validity whatsoever and is potentially dangerous for others. No two of us are the same, no two of us respond to treatments in the same way and no one single method suits all. Let’s not forget he followed ‘western medicine’ by having the surgery to remove his cancer before choosing not to have chemo.
If the day comes when tried and tested medicine can no longer offer further treatment to us then the approach supported by Chris Wark is another direction we could look into, who knows he may be on to something, it has suited him, he is assumed to be still in remission and it has given it him a healthy bank account but it has to be looked at with great cynicism and a great deal of research has to be undertaken first. There may well be lots of people out there who have followed his plan and it would be wonderful to hear from them to see if they have gained remission from their own particular cancer together with long term good health. I cannot find any such cases despite a great deal of searching and one would imagine Mr Wark would be giving us the stats to support his plan.
I would suggest we all support healthy diets, our food is our bodies fuel to enable both recovery and good ongoing health, we need exercise when possible, we should look after our bodies the best we possibly can, be totally aware of messages our bodies give us and, most importantly, avoid unfounded, unproven ideals that could damage our chances of recovery and long term well being. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and regrets can cut very deep and decisions we later regret are not always reversible.
Take care in the windy wet weather lovely people ❤️Xx Jane
I was trying to find your previous reply. A well researched and reasoned one. I thought you might be a long here 👍.
My opinion a man who wants to make money out of desperate people.
Also I had to discontinue the email address I used for his website as he had obviously sold it on to various others and I was inundated.
Fay
I hoped you would come on board with this too, the thing that is really so concerning is that there are lots of non-medical people like this man who pray on people who are at their lowest ebb offering untried and untested alternatives
Hope you’re well Fay ❤️Xx Jane
Good thanks. Don’t post as often but still keep an eye on things. (Still paranoid about twinges of all sorts 😂)
I agree entirely re the non medical websites such as his and those like Jane M. I am willing to read and evaluate but rarely find any factual or repeatable results.
Take care
Fay
Really interesting. What I will say, is that he looks and sounds a really personable "All American boy". Lovely strong jaw line and very likeable. Not that that bears any relevance to his cancer protocol! He is definitely good at what he does. I found him very convincing but do not intend to go down that route...........yet anyway. If desperate I would probably try anything!
I’ve gone down the Jane McLelland How to Starve Cancer route which makes more scientific sense to me. She’s got a helpful Facebook page too. She’s not making a fortune and selling merchandise. The Care Oncology Clinic are able to consult and prescribe for individuals and they are now keeping stats to go through the rigorous processes which NICE require. All the science looks correct if you look at her pathway blocking map in conjunction with PubMed on line. Trials are being carried out on the drugs which are already used for non cancer issues but are now being trialled for various cancers. It’s the cocktail for your specific cancer which is the key and here are lots of very positive stories which give us hope.
Wishing you the very best
Alex
Hi. I haven't read Jane's book, although I have read her Facebook page. I am concerned about the cost of the drugs, there do seem to be a lot!, and I don't think my GO would prescribe them. Do COC prescribe, or do you still have to go through your doctor?
Jenny
My GP prescribes metformin and simvastatin which are cheap (they can justify it based on my BMI although I’m not diabetic and my cholesterol is ok but again they can justify if due to my BMI).
The COC do prescribe the drugs and I believe it costs about £1000 a year including the drugs and the consultation.
The supplements do add up but some very cheap like low dose aspirin (about £1 for a months supply). Fenbendazole is probably the most expensive. The others are available on line but I’m not taking doxycycline at the moment as I don’t think I can get the GP to agree to it but again you can buy it over the counter if you pretend to be avoiding malaria!
A x
Thanks for the info. I will get Jane's book and see if I can understand it! From reading her FB page, it seems quite complicated, with a lot of different pathways to work out!
Jenny
I've been diagnosed nearly 9 years and been on forums for a lot of that time. I've seen people on various diets and regimes come (and go unfortunately) . Even the ones who have followed the alternative regimes, seem to me to have had similar pathways to the ones that don't.
I personally, after diagnosis cut down drastically on dairy, sugar and red meat, introduced turmeric, increased ginger in my diet and took Salvestrols (previous to diagnosis I more or less are a rainbow diet). After recurrence I felt disheartened and returned to a more relaxed general healthy diet and I got longer between recurrences. So there's a spanner in arguments for alternative diets.
I honestly feel that if you feel better with a complementary plan then go with it. A healthy diet gives a good foundation for sleep, activity and tolerating treatment so can never be a bad thing. However, if it becomes a chore then it's really not worth it.
My mum never recurred and she was diabetic so was on statins and metformin - could that have been the answer for her? They're on the COC protocol.
I personally feel that there are answers out there and perhaps a 'key' to our our genes but we're a bit of a way off yet and in the meantime there are a number of people who are feeding off our anxieties and making a lot of money out of inexact science.
Always an interesting topic.
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I personally think that people find it hard to do nothing, so feel better when being pro active and actually following a regime. There is the feeling that you are not taking the diagnosis lying down
I must admit I have difficulty with the range of books and protocols available from individuals who have had cancer and are in remission. Who is right, are they all right, would they be in remission anyway? etc.
I recently asked my oncologist about my ‘longer than expected’ period of stability. The answer and my thoughts on the answer are:
1) our cancer cells are our own body cells and as such are unique to us. Therefore it’s very difficult to say what is working for one person and then whether it would have any effect for someone else.
2) I was regarded as fit when diagnosed which would have helped my recovery from treatment (not healthy as I felt dreadful, had every symptom and was horribly underweight).
3) I was living relatively healthily pre-diagnosis and still developed cancer. Could be something in my genes (tests negative so an unknown genetic influence maybe) or could be unlucky or something else - may never know why.
Based on us all being individuals that’s where I struggle with the variety of protocols. How would you know which of them may have any effect? Some are sold as protocols for cancer but cancer is a catch all label covering many different diseases. Add to that we’re all individual and it becomes difficult to say that one approach is all that is needed.
I think there is merit in living the lifestyle that feels right for you and aiming for the best quality of life. Whether that means following a protocol you connect with or doing something yourself that feels right is your choice.
Good advice I think. I have found this whole conversation really interesting. Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
Jenny
I too have heard that people with his cancer type often do well with surgery only. My father had bowel cancer and as he was in his 80s decided to have the surgery but not to have any oncology input whatsoever. He lived another 9 years until he was 91. My mother on the other hand had appalling treatment for her stomach cancer at 68 years and died 6 months after diagnosis without even being offered an oncology appointment. So I can take nothing from those lessons.
I personally started out following diets etc and still recurred after 14 months. I then read Jane McLelland and am now also on the COC protocol. There’s so much supporting science for using these drugs, just google pubmed, ovarian cancer plus the drug and you will find it. The drugs give me no side effects and I feel healthy and full of energy. I’m only 8 months on from recurrence so I can’t yet claim to have been given extra years but I feel more hopeful about the future now than my oncologist led me to feel.
Thanks. I have mentioned COC to my oncologist, and he was pretty scathing. I am still giving it a lot of consideration.
Jenny
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