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I’m 43 years old and I’m now premenopausal.

I’ve had RA for 5 years but the last year not had any symptoms so I stopped taking MTX and only on steroids if flairs.

I went to see a Chinese medicine doctor and she told me that I should have been taking progesterone whilst taking MTX to protect my fertility. I now have to contact my Dr to see if I can take progesterone to help with My menopause symptoms: heat flushes, mood swings and drastic hair loss.

Has anyone had early menopause due to RA? Or taken progesterone? Or have any tips? The hair loss is causing me extreme anxiety.

Thank you!

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Barrister profile image
Barrister

My menopause was over and done with by the time I was 45. I wasn’t given any reason.

Clemmie

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medway-lady in reply to Barrister

Same here ! no idea why offered HRT but did'nt take it as had no problems.

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sunshinegal in reply to medway-lady

So maybe there is a link?

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BoneyC in reply to sunshinegal

Ditto Barrister & medway-lady, all over by 45. A female locum Rheumatologist suggested HRT but GP refused, due to its risks.

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Barrister in reply to BoneyC

I was never offered HRT but then I never went to see the doctor. I didn’t have any problems apart from hot flushes and I just took high dose sage for that. But I think my menopause followed that of my mum who went through it at 40.

Clemmie

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BoneyC in reply to Barrister

My only symptom was absent periods, so got that checked out just in case anything sinister. That involved blood tests which confirmed I was already in the menopause and it was those results that provoked the locum rheumatologist to suggest HRT. I presume it was the increased cancer risks on top of increased risk of having RA that put the GP off prescribing it. I was in the habit of having soya milk on cereal rather than cow, not sure if it made any difference.

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sunshinegal in reply to Barrister

So maybe there is a link?

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medway-lady in reply to sunshinegal

May be ?x

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Simba1992

Supplementing with Progesterone is really good protection, be sure to take the natural one the Chinese doctor was a wise man.MTX effects the fast dividing cells in the ovaries and has thus an effect on hormon production. Here is some reading you might find useful about the benefits of Progesterone and supplementation.

raypeat.com/articles/articl...

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sunshinegal in reply to Simba1992

I've been googling for this kind of information everywhere and couldn't find anything! Thank you so much!!!!

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VeronicaF in reply to Simba1992

where does this leave men? as they have RA not as many as woman but there are men with it

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Simba1992 in reply to VeronicaF

The funny thing is that it has been shown that men with RA in fact have en excess of estrogen!

Usually in middle age when testesterone is lowered, the hormonal balance towards estrogen happens. Actually it is said this is the reason why men start putting on weight especially in the mid region.

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VeronicaF

I am sorry I can't help, but I started having premenopausal at 45 and started a low dose of HRT, I didn't have RA then, then I noticed my hair coming out a few years ago so they upped my HRT I been on it since being told I have RA this year 3 months ago, at age 54 yrs but I wondered if the HRT was making me worse so stopped it, I have found I am not in so much pain off the HRT I say I think? its not as worse? but I am getting bad hot flushes so would like to take my HRT but don't want worse pain with RA because of the HRT

hope I am making sense?

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sunshinegal in reply to VeronicaF

I'm so sorry, it's crazy how this is all so inter related. My Dr told me that taking HRT was dangerous if you have RA so I wasn't offered anything to help with the symptoms. And the heat is manageable for me but the hair loss isn't.

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VeronicaF in reply to sunshinegal

did he say why it was dangerous? as I thinking of re taking it tomorrow

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Mandalou in reply to sunshinegal

As soon as I got the first glimpse of a hot flush I wrote to my Rheumatology Consultant and asked her opinion whether it was recommended and she said she could see absolutely no reason why I couldn't have HRT.

Told my GP and bish bosh have been using the patches since March and they work like a charm.

I'm not on Mthx but am on Hydroxy and Benepali. My hair has never been the same since diagnosis so I feel for you.

All the best , take care.

Mx

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Simba1992 in reply to sunshinegal

Progesterone, the natural one is really safe where as estrogen supplementing is is not.

VeronicaF profile image
VeronicaF

I just watched this and now thinking of re taking it

but now you said that sunshinegal

I don't know what to do???

I don't know if I am allowed to post a link???

youtu.be/rDDB7Nj5SH8

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Simba1992 in reply to VeronicaF

The problem is not the lack of estrogen but the balance between estrogen and progesterone which is after menopaus in fact in favor of estrogene. This imbalance where the amount of progesterone is too low this spells trouble.

raypeat.com/articles/aging/...

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VeronicaF in reply to Simba1992

my head hurts too much to read all that ,in simple terms does the HRT give the right balance simba1992? thankyou

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Simba1992 in reply to VeronicaF

Depends on your age and hormonal balance. The progesterone should be three times as much as estrogen. Have your hormones measured then you will be wiser.😊👍🏻Natural progesteron supplementation is not dangerous.

raypeat.com/articles/articl...

Here some easy stuff on dosing at different ages with natural progesterone.

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VeronicaF in reply to Simba1992

I did take my HRT today but I going to have a talk about them at doctors

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Simba1992 in reply to VeronicaF

Good luck😊

VeronicaF profile image
VeronicaF in reply to Simba1992

I will need luck as its hard to get an appointment and they are rubbish, but they own all the practises so can't even move

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VeronicaF in reply to VeronicaF

ps I am hoping its all down to my tooth

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Simba1992 in reply to VeronicaF

What kind of doc are you seeing? Rheumy? Endo? Gyn?

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VeronicaF in reply to Simba1992

my own gps when it comes down to homones

RHeumy don't have the time to talk to you about the condition other than dishing out the drugs

can you tell I am fed up with the whole blinking lot of it today

got to keep plodding on though

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Simba1992 in reply to VeronicaF

Is it your GP that has been giving you your HRT treatment? You could print out the stuff I've posted when you see your GP(?) You're GP may not be into recent hormonal research (?)

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VeronicaF in reply to Simba1992

thanks simba1992 I will try, but they know better so might not even listern let alone read anything

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Simba1992 in reply to VeronicaF

Sorry☹️Unfortunately often so.... At least you can check what your test says about the balance between the hormones.

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VeronicaF

and just read this too

arthritis-research.biomedce...

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sunshinegal in reply to VeronicaF

My dr didn't want me to take HRT due to the risk of heart disease, breast cancer and osteoporosis

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Simba1992 in reply to sunshinegal

Here some new info on the protective effect of progesterone.

researchgate.net/publicatio...

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sunshinegal in reply to VeronicaF

I live in Spain, maybe doctors here are more conservative when prescribing meds and prefer to avoid risks?

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VeronicaF

I am putting everything on a root canal I had done on a back tooth, I started off with jaw pain there before everywhere else

I have been back and there is a bit of inflammation there, the dentist wont see any link but I have read there can be, so I have an appointment on the 28th to have that bit removed, he is going to take half the tooth away, not all of it because its the back tooth and its in that jaw

the half he is leaving has grown new bone which he was shocked to see, new bone on a tooth growing, try and work that one out? I am 54yrs and have new bone growing on a tooth that was rubbish

my immune system is weird

keep your fingers tightly crossed for me everyone please for the 28th

sunshinegal profile image
sunshinegal

I went through 3 unsuccessful cycles of IVF and later on started with my RA symptoms so now it’s all beginning to make sense

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Shreeve1979

Hi I’m 39 and not long been diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis after seeing a doctor and complaining of so much pain and being almost bee ridden ( couldn’t be though as have small children) I am aware that methotrexate can cause hair loss but unsure if it’s because of menopause also..on reading your post though my actual cycle varies and so far this month I haven’t had a cycle ...! I think down to methotrexate and hydroxychloriquine and also suffer with sweating hot flushes and mood swings. Sorry I couldn’t really help you but thanks for sharing

VeronicaF profile image
VeronicaF

you know its hard because you get hot sweats with a flare of RA, this has confused me, as is the sweats meno or a flare with RA and sometimes I am so confused as whats going on in my body

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BonnieT

I had early menopause and never took a hormone supplement. I’m now 72. Recently diagnosed by a wonderful rheumy. Many doctors in past years said my bloodwork showed an autoimmune but nothing definite. My rheumy says it is regardless and I believe her. My body seems to work opposite of the “norm,” whatever that is. People drink to get a buzz, I drink and get deathly ill. People get an extra jolt of caffeine from a latte to stay awake. I drink a latte and get the best nights sleep. We’re all wired differently. None of us know the best steps to take, but if you truly trust your doctor, do what he says. And always pray hard!

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ThePainPrincess

Hello, I took progesterone years ago with great results. I also have taken Herbal Equilibrium from the Women's Health Network for more than 10 years. No menopause symptoms. I am also struggling with hair loss. I take biotin supplements. Please see a dermatologist, they may be able to help. Sending healing wishes to you! Be good!

VeronicaF profile image
VeronicaF

I took my HRT this morning, and I felt Sh--, loads of pain worse than before taking it, but this evening I feel loads better, hardly any pain

weird

but my jaw hurts more but that might be take tooth

as its sore round that area around the tooth-then the pain in the jaw.

there is a cap on it so there is no where for the inflamation to go other than in my blood, my thinking

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Luci22

This is news to me. So, RA can put you into early menopause?

And RA causes hot flashes and sweats? (which I've been experiencing and had no idea why). My GP or rheumatoligst don't know why I've been sweating nor do they attribute it to RA or my med Plaquenil. What hormones should a doctor check for menopause?

Hair was definitely falling out and strands were just landing around me. I saw a dermatologist who sold me a B-Complex, fish oil caps, multivitamin, a special liquid to massage into scalp and a thickening shampoo. It was expensive but it's stopped majority of the hairs from just dropping and hair seems fuller again. I have no idea which part of this combination is the one that has helped.

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Simba1992

The doc should check estrogene/progesterone balance. If progesterone is low in relation to estrogene ( should be three times higher), then supplementing with natural progesterone would be a good idea.

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