I had my 5th vaccine just 4 weeks ago. I am now on day 6 of Covid.
I dread to think what might have happened to me if I hadn’t had all that protection…I am wiped out, weak as a baby, head full of concrete…
COVID got me!: I had my 5th vaccine just 4 weeks... - MPN Voice
COVID got me!
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Wishing you well. The new ba.5 is bad, and it does get thru the vax and prior infections. I think many of us are likely to get it, I know many careful ones that had/have it.
But you're right about being protected, it does help a lot.
I hope you feel better quickly! As EPguy said, it sounds like we are all likely to get it eventually, and I wish us all luck in fighting it off and not developing "long Covid".
Hope you feel better soon. Know so many people have got it now after avoiding for so long, including my husband!
I’m Day 8 positive, your description is exactly as I feel! Get well soon. Suzy xx
Hope you feel better soon Peachjoy! I have it too. Day 3 and just feeling pretty coldy. Headache gone thank goodness. Trying to think positively that it’s a boost to my immunity! X 💐
Gosh hope you recover soon. Is this your first bout?
Feel better soon. 💕
Hope you're feeling better soon
Hope you make a full and quick recovery Peachjoy! 👍
Hope you are feeling better soon.
I hope you feel better! One question I have though.. why do people say they are glad they were “protected” and it ‘would have been so much worse had I not gotten the vaccine’, if they have absolutely NO WAY of knowing that?
(I don’t want to start an argument, but this really has been bothering me..)
My personal experience: I have seen people go through serious COVID/long COVID both vaccinated and unvaccinated and the results and symptoms are mostly the same, or even slightly worse in the vaccinated individuals?
No one can know what would have been…
I think it's because that's what the data shows. When you look at the stats for large numbers of people it shows that vaccinated people tend to have milder symptoms and are much less likely to be hospitalised. Of course there will be exceptions, as in most things, which is why it's helpful to stand back and look at the wider picture.
...or die...Just sayin'
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I'm not sure what you're saying. Do you mean that vaccinated people are less likely to be hospitalised or die from Covid? True, I believe the statistics also show that they are less likely to die.
Quoting you: "When you look at the stats for large numbers of people it shows that vaccinated people tend to have milder symptoms and are much less likely to be hospitalised..."
Quoting me: "...or die."
I meant my comment to have been additive to yours.
Meaning that vaccination has been well proven to reduce both symptom severity [need for hospitalization] and mortality [the risk of dying] of COVID.
Thank you for posting- my son has ET and is not vaxxed. His Covid experience was fine as was the rest of our family. The data is different depending on who you read. I tend to read Dr McCullough and Dr Malone. Ultimately it’s your decision based on risk vs reward. No one should be shamed or villainized based on their choice. 😊. Hope everyone heals well.
I agree with you, the uncertainty is unsatisfying.
-One reference for utility of acquired immunity is how many patients now are in acute care and/or on ventilators. Two+ years ago it was lots, now we see far fewer. So the acquired immunity (vax/infection) and other measures seem to be helping. But many are experiencing extra misery with ba.5.
-Another reference, with earlier Omicron, is Hong Kong: their unvaxed elderly had proportionately very high serious outcomes.
You're right we can't know what would have been. Same with our MPN meds. When we take HU, INF, Jakafi etc we rely on clinical studies to know what our odds are. But we see here, our responses are also all over the place, remission, progression, no change... But we take the meds because the studies showed favorable (but no assured) odds for better outcomes.
For ba.5, many of us will catch it. But the long term T-cell immunity from vax/infection has shown to reduce odds of the most serious outcomes for all prior variants. Likely the same for ba.5. I am awaiting the new bivalent vaxes designed for ba.5, supposed to come out in the fall.
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Hi. I didn’t produce antibodies to vaccines & boosters so am interested in your statement about T cells. Can you plz provide the citation for this?
It's been a theory since the start, but info has been accumulating that t-cells provide protection absent the more familiar immune response. Problem is t-cells are hard and expensive to test.
T-cells provide long term memory and some work by killing infected cells. But t-cells start to work after you're infected, so they don't "prevent" infection in the way we've been trained to think of it, rather they kick start the response.
The last words in the mouse study are right on the point "...protect-against-covid-19-absence-antibody-response" But I read recently a good quote, for studies "mice lie and monkeys exaggerate". But the human clinical info here is compelling.
Some reports thru time:
2022- <<This breadth of recognition (via t-cells) can limit the impact of individual viral mutations and is likely to underpin protection against severe disease from viral variants, including Omicron... Current COVID-19 vaccines elicit robust T cell responses that likely contribute to remarkable protection against hospitalization or death ...(see comment above re ICU/ventilators) T cell immunity plays a central role in the control of SARS-CoV-2 and its importance may have been relatively underestimated thus far.>>
nature.com/articles/s41590-...
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2022- <<This study suggests that cross-reactive SARS-CoV-2-specific T-cell responses could be particularly important in the protection against severe disease caused by variants of concern whereas neutralising antibody responses seem to reduce over time.>>
thelancet.com/journals/lanm...
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2021- <<Robust T-Cell Response to mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines—a More Durable Source of Protection>>
pennmedicine.org/news/news-...
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2020- <<T cells found in COVID-19 patients ‘bode well' for long-term immunity>>
science.org/content/article...
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And a good mouse study that tested with normal t cells and with t-cells removed to confirm the t-cells actually worked:
<<In studies of mice, immune cells called T cells protected animals against COVID-19 even in the absence of antibodies targeting the SARS-CoV-2 virus>>
nih.gov/news-events/nih-res...
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For MPN, some pattern of MF being lower response in these reports but generally good t-cells:
2021- <<For the first time, we have demonstrated that patients with chronic MPN can mount functional memory T-cell responses following natural SARS-CoV-2 exposure.>>
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...
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For MPN patients an uncertain result in this report with possible reduction in t-cell response:
<<We found a lower magnitude of T-cell responses ... in MPNs compared to healthy controls, although this finding was partially confounded by the older age of MPN patients.>>
nature.com/articles/s41375-...
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For MF patients, the t-cell response was reduced but :
<<the memory T cell response reported here may prove to be particularly important with regards to ongoing immunity against SARS-CoV-2.>>
news.cancerconnect.com/myel...
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A report on immune compromised using a powerful suppressant (not Rux):
<<B-cell depletion following rituximab impairs serological responses, but T-cell responses are preserved in this group>>
ard.bmj.com/content/80/10/1322
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For another group of immune comp:
<<Even in the absence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, IBD patients showed significant T cell responses after first SARS-CoV-2 vaccination compared with healthy controls, which was not influenced by different immunosuppressive regimens.>>
These are great!! Thanks so much for taking the time. Katie
Gosh hope you are feeling better soon.
Sorry to hear this. I guess they say we will all contract one variant or another sooner or later. Hoping for a swift recovery for you. Were you able to access any form of treatment??Best to you.
I hope you make a speedy and full recovery! I'm on day 6 with Covid. My whole house has it - 2 kids 2 adults. It seems to come in waves for me. For a few hours I feel really good like I'm past the worst and getting better very quickly. Then two hours after, I can't get out of bed. It's been unusual ! My doctor put me on Paxlovid. Get better! And thank goodness for those vaccines!
My husband and 4 colleagues, all vaccinated between 50-60. all got Covid, took paxlovid immediately and were well in 5 days. 4 days later, Covid returned and worse than before. Other 3 colleagues took paxlovid and were well after the 5 days and stayed well. It’s a game of roulette, like Covid.
I'm so sorry. Hope you get well quickly.
Hi Peachjoy, Hope you get better soon ,one of my grandsons got it last week and he was really wiped out. I’ve only had 4 vaccines waiting for my 5th take care. x
Hi. How are you? Did you get my birthday message? Hope all is well x
Hi Peachjoy,Hope you are feeling better
I didn’t get your Birthday message . but thank you I hope you had a good birthday.
I’m not on hu now I’ve been off it for 2 months my haematologist said she will keep checking my bloods and if they go to high she will start me on pegs so for now I hope they don’t go to high.
Ps have you started on meds yet?
Take care and I hope your family are ok. X
Hi Peachjoy,
I’m 57, ET. Was harmed by the Pfizer vaccine (veins and Vagus Nerve) and after a year, do not count as vaccinated. My husband 60 is boosted. My daughter 18 had only 2 vaccines, but refused the booster after so many people we know had vein problems, pericarditis, brain problems and stroke. My history: 90x bronchitis, 3x pneumonia, 1x Swine flu.
We all got Covid about a month ago. My husband was first and took paxlovid immediately. Covid was gone on day 5, he returned to work for 4 days and Covid came back to haunt him, worse than before for 9 more days. The second time around, he infected me and our daughter. We were both weak like you. Sniffles, heavy coughing. I had high fever, diarrhea and ended up hospitalized for 2 days due to sodium deficiency. Both my daughter and I needed 10 days to be able to take a short walk around the block. On day 13, I took a 6km walk around a lake and On day 14, I took a 3,5 hr hike down a gorge and up a mountain, down the other side in Slovenia.
I refused the paxlovid. I took traditional Chinese medicine, tons of Vit C, taurine, thyme expectorant, proline and My energy secret, Acetyl L- carnitine. Today is day 20 and I still have a bit of coughing in the morning and need 2-3x more salt that before. Am now in normal range with sodium. I found out that Covid and Sodium levels are an issue for some.
The swine flu recovery took me almost 3 months! THAT was a BEAST! Covid has definitely lost its punch. The vaccines, to the shame of all the companies that produce them, are hardly working against the new mutations. Almost no one, even those over 80 are getting them. Pfizer and co. all promised to adjust them to the new mutations early last fall and they never did! They said the new vaccines would be available in 6 months. It’s now 9 months. Why doesn’t anyone talk about this? Instead, they are pushing medications, which are not working for 1/2 the patients. It is frustrating.
Please take care of yourself, be patient. Keep hydrated, do slow breathing exercises many times a day. Eat healthy foods. Remain confident and patient.
🙂
Anag
Good morning Peachjoy,
I was just researching about Covid and low sodium. I was feeling utter exhaustion with Covid at first. It got worse and worse until I could hardly walk to the bathroom. Was too weak to breath, but could push myself to breath enough. My bronchial tubes felt raw. Weird taste in my mouth although I never really lost sense of taste. I thought weakness-Covid, normal.
Well, I called emergency doctor and she sent an ambulance. My Covid family remained home and I was brought to hospital. My sodium was at 127 (Norm is 135-145). I was immediately put on fluids, kept in for 2days and released when sodium at 132. I started highly salting my food and 10 days later, I was up to 135.
The study from a year ago below:
endocrine.org/news-and-advo...
Sodium deficiency increases a chance of intubation considerably.
Too much sodium is a marker of high probability of Covid death. This is so important and no one talks about it. It’s so easy to fix!!
Hope you’re feeling better. Give your body time to heal! I didn’t allow my family, my duties or my doer me push me. Too much too soon and you’re back to where you started.
Take care!
Anag
This matter of Low sodium and COVID is very interesting. In the last 3 days, both my husband (also got COVID) and I have been craving crisps (potato chips)!! We’ve been eating a big bag between us each day…and, whether we’re just recovering anyway, but I’ve suddenly started to feel much much better. I’m still testing positive (day 9), but definitely feeling better.
It IS something to be aware of. There’s a Chinese study that points this out as well. I had diarrhea and vomited once at the beginning of Covid. I couldn’t eat for 4 days and I was so out of it, I couldn’t think enough to take electrolytes, which I had at home.
I never each chips; they raise my blood pressure. A few days ago, I ate a big bag also. my pressure was at 115/70. I had my water pills ready just in case.
! Important: have the sodium levels checked to be sure.
Hope you get well soon.
Hope you are doing ok, it got me too.
A week last tuesday i got off the excercise bike in the morning and said to my wife 'that was bloody hard today'
As the morning went on i was feeling a bit rough, going hot, then cold so thought i would do a test and showed positive immediately.
Still showing positive over 10 days on, still a little tired but mostly over it. Main symptom has been fatigue, not really had much of the sniffles or a cough.
They did call me about anti-virals but suggested not to have them unless i got a lot worse.
So sorry to hear this Peachjoy. Wishes for a quick recovery soon. Looks like this latest strain will get us all in the end! Xx Fran
Hope you are speedy recovery
Sorry to hear you are feeling so poorly. I’ve had 3 vaccines so far, the last one being almost a year ago. I had my routine visit yesterday with my gp and asked her if I should get a booster. She doesn’t think the current booster protects against the Omicron. I asked her opinion because I know so many people who have gotten Covid even after having the booster. I’m also going on an airplane for the first time since Covid started and that makes me nervous. She believes, as many people have stated here, that eventually everyone is going to get Covid.
I hope you feel better soon.
I agree with your Dr. Omicron ba.5 seems to get thru vax and prior infection more than any other variant. But I posted above about T-cell immunity. We generally have good protection from the worst outcomes that were more common two years ago.
One exception on boosters could be some MF patients, that is good to have close discussion with specialist. Are your WBCs ok?
But meantime I am waiting for the new bi-valent vax supposed to come by Fall in the US.
yes it got me too, now day 10, unfortunately I had not had my 5th vacc. No antivirals offered. symptons sore throat headache and hacking cough which is persisting. I contracted this on an overcrowded train during the train strike. I will be having my vacc 4 weeks from infection. Hope you are feeling better.
Get well soon x
You poor thing, I really hope by the time you read this, you are feeling better. I had Covid and then had Paxlovid ( anti virals) which caused the symptom rebound ( thanks to everyone for the info on this) so I had about 30 days all told with Mr. Covid . The actual symptoms, like the ones you mention, weren't too bad but the fatigue was a brute. I am finally starting to feel human again so I really hope this is your experience. I did eat a lot of iron / vit B rich foods and will continue to do this - don't know if it helped but I felt like I was doing something! Take care and hope you are feeling better.
Hi Cassandra61,
Yes, thank you, 2 weeks now and I am much better, but not testing negative yet…
I’m sorry you had such a rough ride with it all. Yes, I think the exhaustion is the worst bit. What really worries me is the thought that this will continue to disrupt our lives so menacingly, and always with the threat of being a serious illness, even with all our vaccines.
rumble.com/v1c58sx-dr.-malo... may want to hear what is happening around the world from the inventor of MRNA jabs. He has been predicting this from the beginning.
I checked out one of the reports he cited. It's an extensive study of UK health workers. (I copied the title from his slide)
Details matter, but are boring
There is a big discovery in it, but different from what he discussed. He states, in context of this report, that "Omicron has escaped the vaccines" But this report does not say that, it is focused on the effect of various prior infections to the 3-vaxed. It says triple vaxing was useful, providing immunity, although reduced, against Omicron.
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-The big news in the report is prior infection with the original Wuhan strain was very detrimental to vax response vs Omicron, while prior infection with Alpha was less so. As a Wahun infected, this is interesting to me.
<<Immune imprinting by prior Wuhan Hu-1 infection completely abrogated any enhanced nAb responses against B.1.1.529 (Omicron) and other VOCs>>
Multi vaxing is reduced but remains useful against Omicron (unless you had Wuhan Covid) : << B and T cell immunity against previous variants of concern was enhanced in triple-vaccinated individuals, but the magnitude of T and B cell responses against B.1.1.529 spike protein was reduced. >>
science.org/doi/10.1126/sci...
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Dr Malone did important early work on mRNA but is not "the" inventor of the vax. As an inventor myself this distinction is important.
<<Dozens of academic labs and companies worked on the idea, struggling with finding the right formula of fats and nucleic acids...Today’s mRNA jabs have innovations that were invented years after Malone’s time in the lab, including chemically modified RNA and different types of fat bubble to ferry them into cells>>
nature.com/articles/d41586-...
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I didn't watch the whole interview. But if Dr Malone predicted we'd have the most infectious, fastest mutating virus in modern history, that would be impressive. That is the key source of our problem.
Is it true or untrue that the ‘research’ on these did not test for transmission or infection but only for hospital admissions and that very large sections of the community were left out of the research. There has been another large FOI dump of Pfizer and FDA emails and research data etc which would suggest that they should never have been cleared for mass human inoculation Is it true now that all countries who have pushed boosters are having massive increases in mortality in the fully vaccinated. ie Israel and the UK . These are very real signals coming from many sources which absolutely need further investigation and NOT labelled anti anything. There are many medical unions in most countries now forming to call attention to these issues
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