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Edit: Added the elevation profile from said marathon. Its making my knee twinge just looking at it.

Back in the olden days (2022), I ran the Giant's Head Marathon, and my knee hasn't spoken to me since.

It was a brutal course with around 1000m elevation gain that took you across an array of gnarly terrains including chalk roads so hard, you could shatter diamonds against them. Running over them it felt like the ground was fighting back. They were littered with rocks and boulders too, seemingly placed for the express purpose of breaking toes and snapping ankles.

I only had 8 weeks' clean training going into the event, so was at the very low end of my fitness and, more importantly, strength. Quads normally act as brakes. No quads equals no brakes; no brakes equals no control.

The whole route became like a rollercoaster: a slow, ratcheting ascent, a suspenseful pause at the top, a moment of sheer dread, a realisation that you can't get off, and then a wwwwhhhhhooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaa downwards at half the speed of light with arms flailing in the air and legs turning full circles like a cartoon character, and then SMASH! into the rock fields, like a demolition derby. There were enough stones flying everywhere to take out a whole herd of Goliaths. It doesn’t bode well for the knees, and one of mine sprouted what is best described as a head.

Have you ever had a swelling so beautifully round that it seems almost cruel not to adorn it with a marker-pen face? But then the problem is that it is far too convincing, and it’s hard to distinguish who came first? You or it? Like an optical illusion that could be mentally construed as a nodule sprouting its very own human? And its now taking this human for a walk? And saying good morning to terrified dog walkers?

No?

Yeah, er, me either. That’d just be weird, right?

Anyway, that was the start of our little fall out (me and my knee), and we haven’t made it up since.

But! It turns out it's not actually a knee injury after all (I’m still waiting for the apology) and actually it’s illiotib...illitibual...ill...

IT band syndrome.

I love how they call it a “syndrome”; it gives it some much need gravitas. Like Plantar Fasciitis.

*oooh*

I, er, don’t know how to write “oooh” so it reads like a long satisfied exhalation, rather than a camp *OoOoOoOoOoh*.

Anyway, nobody would mind rucking up at the physio's with Plantar Fasciitis. You'd feel a bit silly just calling it a sore foot. Savvy marketing, that.

IT band syndrome is a tightening of the IT band so that it causes aggravation to the outside of the knee and / or hip and is most commonly caused by a spike in loading and overuse. In my opinion, it's as equally commonly caused by gravity surfing down cliff faces onto chalk roads. I've seen a physio about it in the past, but he was overly keen to turn himself into some kind of life subscription, "just while I’ve got my diary open, let's book your next 50 sessions" - at £65 a pop by the way - so I grabbed a fistful of stretches and bodyweight exercises and ran (hobbled) for the door.

I managed the issue through most of last year's training, but at the business end of the block I was really struggling with overuse, and having to pop painkillers before events, plus lathering on enough Deepheat to land me a sponsorship. 12 weeks of rest hasn't done anything for it which was a worry seeing as I'm now staring down the barrel of a 1000mi+ training block.

We're just buying a new house at the moment (looking to complete in 6 weeks' time…exciting!) so the budget doesn’t currently stretch anywhere near physios (especially after I’ve just bought another new pair of running shoes. 10 pairs and counting now…but I’ve got it under control). But don’t worry about physios, I’ve been off to see Dr. YouTube.

VIDEO 1: Most effective treatment for IT band syndrome is rest and load management. SKIIIIIIIIP.

VIDEO 2: You should reduce your mileage. SKIIIIIIIIP.

VIDEO 3: Rest is most important. PAAAUUUUUUUSSSEEE. Oops, missed the button. I meant, SKIIIIIIIIP.

VIDEO 4: Place crystals on the effected area and be sure to transmit positive thinking. Ooooh! This looks interesting.

I think I need to keep at it though, as it hasn’t had much of an effect as of yet.

In all seriousness, I’ve found some helpful information. The syndrome (seems) non-progressive, but causes some discomfort which takes the fun out of the running. By all accounts, the poison and the antidote taste pretty similar. A bit of strength work should help, particularly knee and hip. Improving running form. Increasing cadence apparently can have some benefit. But the message is: I should be able to stay on top of it, so we’re on!

Slap on that goose fat, ply on that lycra, we are GO!

During my recent training, I paid a lot of attention to strength and conditioning, but it seems I may’ve been actually increasing the stress on the affected area, rather than underpinning it. I think I’ve found some tailored exercises to help target the areas surrounding the weaknesses.

I did some strength work yesterday and, my God, these exercises are brutal: Crab walks with resistance band around knees, drop squats with 30 second holds, elevated-leg glute bridges, bent leg calf raises?

I'm walking like I’m fifth generation inbred today.

The recovery shoes came out to play. It felt good though. Actually, everything is feeling good again now that I’m getting back motivated.

Today’s soup of the day was a 2-mile poodle round the block (there’ll be lots of poodling over the next few weeks), and the rest of the week will be on/off with 5K’s on Weds, Fri and Sun all at easy pace for a weekly total of 11miles (I’ve got a horrible habit of jumping between miles and km). I’ll also do a couple of 20min nice and light sessions on the exercise bike, which I find really helps re-build the base fitness with low stress on the body, and I’ll either have a rest day Thursday and do strength work on Saturday, or vice-versa, depending on how I feel.

Anyway. Happy running everyone! Wrap up your jewels. It’s getting cold out there.

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Tasha99 profile image
Tasha99Marathon

I also suffered from ITB syndrome. I could hardly walk down a slight hill and had to do so backwards! I changed to low drop shoes and it went over night. I swear by HOKAs. Never had an issue since!

zappos.com/c/what-is-heel-t...

PaulS83 profile image
PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to Tasha99

Most of my shoes are pretty low drop and I’ve got a couple of HOKA’s in there too. I love my challenger ATR’s!

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to Tasha99

yeah I changed to low drop too on the advice of the NHS physio after shin splint treatment. I regularly wear zero drop too but my Altra’s soles are a bit too slippery for slick surfaces. Dunno why they don’t address the issue!

Jell6 profile image
Jell6

I had one break during my 12 hour shift today and that wasn't long enough to read this in it's entirety. I'd forgotten that I need to pencil in an appointment sometimes to settle in and read your progress! Glad you've got a plan , and yes it's decidedly chilly at the moment 🥶🥶🥶

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PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to Jell6

We need to petition the government for a 3hr NHS lunch break…seeing as they’re all out of pay-rises…

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linda9389AdministratorMarathon

I got very excited there .... Giants Head Marathon? I was thinking Giants Head, BC, Canada though (although I think the longest run there is only a 10k). A quick google suggests there may be more than one Giants Head! Shame, we could've swapped stories about Giants Head brewery (which I highly recommend should you ever run Giants Head BC!).

ITB syndrome is nasty, very unpleasant. Not nice starting a new training regime with that sort of discomfort before you even start ramping up the mileage. I know what you mean about physios for life ... but are you sure you won't be making it worse by ramping up the mileage on it? I have no medical credentials, but surely (intuitively) the added mileage will add to the inflammation you're already suffering from?

Having said that, you have a lot of personal experience to go on, and your pain threshold is clearly way higher than mine 🙃

Wishing all the best to an aspiring Deep Heat Brand Ambassador 😅

PaulS83 profile image
PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to linda9389

No, it's in Sydling St. Nicholas in good ol' blighty. It was voted best UK marathon for a few years running I think.

Does this work?

No. It didn't let me embed (I see Vespina has managed it somehow), so here's a link:

youtu.be/YnBA0HMrBl4?si=Y8z...

PaulS83 profile image
PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to PaulS83

Oh, that worked...

linda9389 profile image
linda9389AdministratorMarathon in reply to PaulS83

So pretty! How did he finish in 4h30m? He looked to be putting no effort in at all 😎

PaulS83 profile image
PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to linda9389

I know, I certainly didn't look that fresh!

PaulS83 profile image
PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to linda9389

For all that word count, I didn't do a very good job of describing the situation. The bulbous swelling occured after said marathon, and it has since regressed to an ever-present aggravation.

Currently, it's a 2 out of 10, but is constantly reminding me it's there, particularly when going down slopes. I tried to manage the injury all last year, and I think I can do a better job of it this year. I'm slightly annoyed that 12 weeks' rest has done little to appease it; it's not ideal to start a training block niggled, but I need to make a measured start and see how I cope.

I'm feeling fairly positive about it.

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linda9389AdministratorMarathon in reply to PaulS83

Crikey, I'd be seriously annoyed, never mind 'slightly', if 12 weeks hadn't helped! I can see why you want to press on, especially with all that experience of it already. Good luck.

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to PaulS83

I got my hideous shin splint after an out of control downward descent. Never again! I run them under control these days. I know it’s such fun to let rip though 😁

PaulS83 profile image
PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to misswobble

I had no choice in the matter. Gravity had its wicked way with me, unconsented!

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to PaulS83

Free fall! 😁Eek!

Vespina profile image
VespinaHalf Marathon

Love the update. Your question about whether your injury was taking on a life of its own reminded me of this: youtu.be/OpfQ_6iL1rg?si=57D...

Seriously, hope your IT band syndrome settles down soon and you’re able to get out running in more comfort.

PaulS83 profile image
PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to Vespina

What is this now...? I'm scared to watch that through fear of similarity!

Vespina profile image
VespinaHalf Marathon in reply to PaulS83

It’s such a ridiculous film but a good laugh. Maybe watch when the IT band is better, just in case

Dexy5 profile image
Dexy510 Miles

I had iTB issues when extending to 10 miles first time. The pain was enough to listen to the physio’s advice. You could try some clam shell exercises too (with a band once it gets easier.)

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PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to Dexy5

Thanks Dexy. Yes, that's one of the movements I picked up from the physio. It's in my routine, hasn't got much easier though!

Lovely to see you flying the Spinnaker by the way...I'm from Gosport originally, lived in Southsea for a couple of years too.

Irishprincess profile image
IrishprincessAdministratorHalf Marathon

I sympathise. I had ITB problems years ago and it stopped me in my tracks for three months. Rest and lots of glutes exercises sorted it out and I haven't had it since 🤞but I do regular strengthening work to keep it at bay.

Although clams are always recommended I think the crab sideways walk is a much better exercise and you can really feel it in your muscles, as you’ve discovered!

I’ve recently also discovered the hurty benefits of a sideways plank with bent knees 😳

Good luck and keep us updated 🍀

PaulS83 profile image
PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to Irishprincess

Side planks are on there as well. Actually it's side plank leg lifts, but they can absolutely go and...

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misswobbleMarathon in reply to PaulS83

I had to see the nhs physio about side of the knee pain which was keeping me from running. I did very simple leg exercises with a band that she gave me, and got myself an inexpensive wobble cushion. She told me to keep moving no matter what! When you’re sitting eating, reading etc she told me to keep sliding my stockinged feet forwards and backwards on the floor. Free physio exercise right there 😀. I didn’t need to go back thank goodness 🙏

I self-referred to the nhs physio and couldn’t believe the short wait. Worth a try Paul 🙂

PaulS83 profile image
PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to misswobble

I can’t even see my doctor, I’m not sure how I’d get a physio 😆. But thanks. I’m tempted to have a private scan, but I can me spending the money and then ignoring the results.

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to PaulS83

I don’t have a GP so I googled the physio dept at the local hospital and there was a form to fill in for a self-referral. I filled it in and heard back really quickly 🙂

PaulS83 profile image
PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to misswobble

Interesting…I shall mooch around…

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to PaulS83

I did and was pleasantly surprised. Good luck 👍🙂

CBDB profile image
CBDB

🤣🤣 Just in case you were not aware, we have a sister forum dedicated to Strength and Flexibility (yes, another one!). We collect all injury and targeted posts in this themed folder healthunlocked.com/strength...

I’d say, as it comes from the community (lived expertise 😉), it’s better than Dr. YouTube, although it makes plenty of use if it.

Just in case you want some more ideas.

Have fun with your physio annd strengthening exercises!

PaulS83 profile image
PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to CBDB

Thanks for the steer, I’ll have a mooch about.

ktsok profile image
ktsok

Paul, Paul… the question that keeps popping up in my head is: on balance, given the highs and (ongoing) lows: was it worth it?!

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PaulS83Ultramarathon in reply to ktsok

Absolutely. I get the best of both worlds; the bullets and the bandages. I love running, I feel blessed and honoured to run. I also love getting f-d up drunk and eating copious amounts of rubbish. Put it together, and what do you get? Adventure.

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ktsok in reply to PaulS83

In which case, I shall sit back again with the popcorn x

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