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Weekly Chat 15th - 22nd June 😎🍹

linda9389
linda9389Moderator
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Ooh, it's nice here today! Bit warm for running for me, time for a cold drink! Are you enjoying the heat?

I just went out for my first 10k in a while. Moved from my warmup walk to slow startup run and my feet felt as flat as pancakes. The first few minutes are always tough, but my feet just died on the ground today. Wow, this is going to be tough I thought. Within 10 steps the penny dropped - I'd put on my old Saucony trainers!!!They only did about 600k, so they can't have been that worn out, but compared to the Hokas I now run in they just have no bounce. It was a great test of how different the two shoes are and, if I'm being honest, I think my 5k, 10k and HM PBs earlier this year are largely attributable to those shoes, and only partly due to all my cyclingπŸ˜€. I went straight home and changed them and started again!

I'm blaming lockdown stress for making such a silly mistake, nothing to do with age related absent mindedness! Anyone else experiencing similar scattiness at the moment? do share, it might make me feel a bit less stupid πŸ˜€

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Stephen_UK
Stephen_UKHalf Marathon

Hi Linda. Hope you are well.

I am chugging on with my runs, despite the heat.

Not feeling scatty, but I am having earphone problems. My last pair broke. Then I bought some that are over-designed and fall out while I run. Can anyone recommend some reasonably priced earphones? I prefer wired to wireless. But the simpler the better.

Buddy34
Buddy34Half Marathon in reply to Stephen_UK

Hello stephen these are the earphones I have . I've had them for nearly a year and never had any problems. Very easy to use and I paid Β£30 for mine but these are now discounted

amazon.co.uk/Skullcandy-Blu...

Stephen_UK
Stephen_UKHalf Marathon in reply to Buddy34

Thank you, Buddy. Silly question, but do they stay in when you run or do you have to fidget/adjust?

Buddy34
Buddy34Half Marathon in reply to Stephen_UK

Once I put them in that's it. They have honestly never fell out once πŸ‘

Stephen_UK
Stephen_UKHalf Marathon in reply to Buddy34

Thanks, Buddy.

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Stephen_UK

Good to hear you're chugging along, presumably the injury has been firmly kicked into touch πŸ‘πŸ˜Š

I use Trek Aftershokz these days and do love them. I've had no issues with them, but then again I've never spent so much on headphones before! I couldn't go back to wired though - even before these I had had a couple of reasonably cheap wireless pairs from Amazon (one over ear pair, and one in ear with a loop over ear) and both largely stayed put. Good luck finding some you like.

Stephen_UK
Stephen_UKHalf Marathon in reply to linda9389

Thanks, Linda. Yes, no injuries for a while and – fingers crossed – hoping to keep it that way.

I can’t justify earphones that expensive but I might try the ones Buddy mentions above....

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Stephen_UK

I 'justified' mine because of all my cycling - it's so important to be able to hear traffic when cycling but I also wanted to be able to hear my voice navigation and/or music on a long ride. In ear didn't seem safe for that. Justification over πŸ€ͺ

Stephen_UK
Stephen_UKHalf Marathon in reply to linda9389

Sounds like they were worth it. Maybe I need to find a way to justify buying some...

Buddy34
Buddy34Half Marathon in reply to Stephen_UK

I thought I couldn't justify paying £12.99 for a pair of Beluga running socks . But they are great 😊

Jonno34
Jonno34 in reply to Stephen_UK

I bought Anker ones on Amazon. About Β£20. Great aftersales, comfortable with various buds so you can work out what fits.

Irishprincess
IrishprincessHalf Marathon in reply to Stephen_UK

I’m currently browsing for new earplugs as I’m losing a bit of volume in one earpiece. I’m very fussy as I only wear the over-the-ear ones and I’m not prepared to pay a lot for them. The plugs seem to be more popular but my current ones are Philips and the sound quality is brilliant but I can’t find the same ones anymore ☹️

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Irishprincess

My over ear ones were cheap Linkwitz ones from Amazon ine Black Friday. The sound quality was good enough for me, but I'm no aficionado - they were probably very average!

Irishprincess
IrishprincessHalf Marathon in reply to linda9389

I’ll take a look, thanks Linda πŸ™‚

Buddy34
Buddy34Half Marathon

Hello Linda, I've finally got used to running in the sunshine. What I really find tough is running in clammy weather like I had this morning, no sun in the sky but such a stuffy feeling.

I think my perfect running weather is the rain , i ran my HM in it and last week managed another 10 miles .

Funny you should mention running shoes as I'm now sure I've found my perfect trainer and im now looking for another pair as of course they are now cheaper. Nike vomero 14.

Happy running and cyclingπŸƒβ€β™€οΈπŸš΄β€β™€οΈ

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Buddy34

I don't mind the sun if there's a nice breeze but I do overheat very quickly πŸ™„. I like the rain too 😊

How wonderful to find your perfect shoes - buy them up before you can't get the same model! I still haven't found anything that doesn't give me sore feet and blisters beyond 10k. It's my dream, ... one day ... but now I know I would like them to bounce like Hokas too πŸ˜ƒ

Joster
JosterHalf Marathon

Hello! I am super scatty at the moment. I went to the butchers last week, totally forgot to take my chicken off the counter. Luckily realised before I drove off so went back for it. THEN got home to realise that from the same shop, I had left my cheese on the deli counter! Back I went.... Oh well.

I LOVE my Hokas, but they are reaching the end of their life. They've developed a small split between upper and the sole. It's not got any bigger but once I get paid, I think it's time for a new pair.

I find running in this warm weather hard going. I was due to run today but by the time we were all up and I had my daughter set up for her exam, I'd missed the early cooler slot! Makes me so uncomfortable! Her first exam isn't until 11 tomorrow, so I can just get up and go early.

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Joster

That made me laugh and it's nice to have some scatty company. Of course if I hadn't asked, only the one shopkeeper had to know ... Good luck to your daughter with her exams (and to you too, it's hard parenting exam candidates - a job that doesn't get enough credit 😊 )

C3PO
C3POVirtual HM

It's pretty amazing to hear how important your shoes can be.

I didn't have much to tell last week, but things are OK here. I fit in 4 runs last week, but my ankle still plays up at times. I had a really good run yesterday, though, so I hope to do a long run early tomorrow.

I reset my 5 k speed challenge a couple of weeks ago. I wanted to adjust the distances, to avoid being let down by my GPS. I've also included a little detour to "catch" one of my urban orienteering posts, which inevitably slows me down, but is OK now that it's part of my official routes. I improved my time by a 1:03 minutes compared with the first week, so I'm very pleased.

Do you have the same hot weather as us? I'm hoping I'll have time to do a few runs down to the sea this week so that I can dip my toes in the water. All the beaches were ram-packed when we drove past yesterday, so there' no chance of driving to any of them.

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to C3PO

When I first got the Hokas and alternated with some Brooks Adrenalines I thought I could tell the difference, but I was specificallylooking for it. Today was a totally blind test with no preconceptions or anything - and the difference was un missable.

That's a great 5k time improvement - even better given it's just you pushing you for you. Good luck. Hope you make it to the beach soon, I'm more than a little bit envious

Tbae
TbaeMetric Marathon

You are not silly Linda,you are a star.β­οΈπŸ‘πŸ‘β€οΈ

Give you a laugh perhaps,this morning I was 6k into my 31k trot,it was around 0600 in the morning, quiet, peaceful and I was below Holyhead mountain,I heard what I thought a heavy footed boy racer coming up behind he passed me,he was walking.πŸ™ˆπŸ˜‚A young man eager to get to his work.πŸ€”

If you are feeling generous Linda, do I qualify for a metric marathon badge.

My 31k is on Strava.I have gone 10/20k/31k for the first 3 weeks of Floss’s Blooming June Quest.

πŸƒβ€β™€οΈβ­οΈπŸ‘πŸ‘β€οΈπŸ’ͺπŸ™

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Tbae

Fabulous Tbae. Congratulations on a huge achievement. Young men should not be allowed anywhere near us when we're running - my two boys can show me up horribly, my husband is 6 years older than me but passed me on my run this morning (to be fair he was on his bike, he falls firmly into the 'couldn't run for a bus' category). Rest well now, no gardening for a day or two perhaps 😊. The badge suits you πŸ‘

roseabi
roseabiAdministrator

Hi Linda!! I'm so glad you're running further again, no matter what shoes you end up wearing 😊😊😊

My husband and I found out over the weekend that, not only is Hove Lagoon Watersports open again and allowing limited use of their windsurfing equipment, they have also extended our membership!!! So I had a bit of a go on the Lagoon yesterday, and have more booked for next weekend.

My silly story comes from that windsurf session: unfortunately, and as usual, I forgot to stop my Garmin's windsurfing app after we'd finished, and this time I managed to include in the record the cleaning and putting away of the equipment, going up to the Watersports cafe to purchase milkshakes, and sitting down on the grass to drink them - all before I realised my workout was still recording. My VO2 Max is now through the roof πŸ˜‰πŸ˜„πŸ˜„πŸ˜„ Of course I know I could just chop that bit off, but I don't really care, and anyway drinking milkshakes should be a sport 😎

Anyway, yay windsurfing is back!!!

Still getting on with bits and bobs. I was caught in some nasty weather last week, but this week so far it is more like feet up with a cold drink time, as you say! Got some nice long runs coming up this week and next, though. I'm saving this week's 29 km (my plan's translated from miles to km, so there are some strange numbers in there) for Wednesday when we're promised a bit of rain...

Happy running or whatever you're doing, everyone xxx

linda9389
linda9389Moderator

Sounds like a fun day yesterday! We often run on water according to Steava, so windsurfing on land is just as credible πŸ€ͺ

Your training plan is really ramping up the miles! Good luck, hope you get wet πŸ˜„

roseabi
roseabiAdministrator in reply to linda9389

Ha ha, that is true!!!

Thank you xxx

cheekychipmunks
cheekychipmunksHalf Marathon

Hi Linda and everyone. Hope you’re all well and running happily. It sounds like it!

I’m just one scatty mess half the time, not even just during lockdown! I have to say the words out loud to myself if I want to remember something, and even that doesn’t always work! πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Nothing interesting to report running-wise except that I’m still taking MJ along for the ride and popping W1R1 into all my runs. I’ve found it’s the one way that I actually enjoy doing intervals! I need to get out of the habit of chugging along like a one paced pony! 🐴 I’ll continue doing it until I can’t bear it any longer!

Talking of shoes, I assume it’s as important to change trail shoes almost as often as road ones? I realised the other day that mine are about 18 months old and have done an awful lot of mileage. Pretty much the whole of lockdown (except my 10k in Bristol recently) and the vast majority of my distance training last summer. They’re still very comfy with no visible wear, but should I be changing them? Any advice welcome. πŸ˜€

Happy running friends! 😘

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to cheekychipmunks

Here's to scatty then! If your shoes aren't showing any sign of wear, and you haven't developed any niggles then I'd say they're probably good for a few more miles. I changed mine because I was paranoid about any loss of cushioning when I came back from the stress fracture, but had it not been for that I'm sure they were fine really. I'm wearing them for cycling instead so they aren't going to waste πŸ˜€. Of course, if you fancy new shoes ... well, you might want to err on the safe side and use these up for dog walks 😜

Sandraj39
Sandraj39Half Marathon

Well done on that run Linda! Love that you pulled on your old shoes!πŸ˜‚πŸ˜³Hoka's are getting a good press on these forums at the moment - I posted about mine on Bridge to 10k yesterday. Which ones are you running in?

As you know, I am not a fan of the warmer weather when it comes to running either. An early run at the weekend is fine but weekdays I cannot get up early enough to run before work - too much of a faffer I'm afraid! So, its later runs for me - on return from work. πŸ™‚

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Sandraj39

The old ones were on top because I wore them to cycle at the weekend (they have been repurposed rather than dumped). I saw your review and meant to look that model up. I use the Cliftons (and also have the trail equivalent). I think I need a wide fit of a wide shoe, so was going to see if they do anything any wider (although I suspect the Clifton is the widest). I now see that I am an absolute fan of the sole, but still get blisters so am always on the look out for my perfect shoe. As it happens, it would've been much cooler for me to run later today as we had a massive downpour, so hopefully you will manage to find some cool mid-week evenings🀞

Decker
DeckerModerator

I think you are not giving yourself enough credit Linda. The shoes were on your feet that got the PBs! Maybe something closer to a combination of shoes, effort and massive cycling strength. Funny you should mention shoe issues. I had an interesting revelation this morn too. Went out for my 2nd 5k test run after injury (first was Friday and went well). Knee pain in the original spot again today at the 1k mark. After much cursing and fist-shaking, I went home, and just as an experiment, switched to my Sauc Kinvara's and went out again. NO pain! I did the full 5k and could have just kept going - but was trying to be good. The weird thing is I've done around 500k in the Hokas with no issues prior to this whole thing. And the Kinvara's I keep for speed work since they are more lightweight and have softer soles with less support. They have around 600k on them too. The biggest difference is the sole depth and arch height. The Hokas are much higher on both counts. Going to leave the Hokas until things are more settled then test again.

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Decker

Whatever it takes eh? I can imagine the 1k disappointment, injuries are such a rollercoaster. It would be great if the shoe change gets round the problem in the short term, then maybe when fully healed you'll be able to go back to the Hokas. Fingers firmly crossed for you 🀞

Decker
DeckerModerator in reply to linda9389

Thanks Linda, yes I am just experimenting now. I still have my Sauc marathon shoes which have some bigger mileage but are stable shoes still. Abi’s article is giving me something to think about. I have to pay such close attention now to what everything is doing. Have a number of glute exercises to practice too as that seems to be another issue of mine the Physio spotted

roseabi
roseabiAdministrator in reply to Decker

Interesting!

Have you heard about this?: google.com/amp/s/www.runner...

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to roseabi

That's really interesting. My first running injury was knee - wonder if it will reappear πŸ™„? I also wonder why they only tested heel strikers?

roseabi
roseabiAdministrator in reply to linda9389

I suppose they thought it would be better for comparing biomechanics. Also most people are heel-strikers I believe.

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to roseabi

As a definite forefoot striker I just want to know if my Hokas are protecting my metatarsal stress fracture!!!πŸ™„πŸ€£πŸ€£πŸ€£

roseabi
roseabiAdministrator in reply to linda9389

Very small studies both, with limitations as you have pointed out! They do suggest that the shoes may protect feet. I'm curious about the heel striking thing, because as I understand it all Hokas are zero drop, and my experience of running in zero drop shoes is that they made me run on my toes, but this may well also have been because my zero drops were also minimalist - I wonder if it's easier to land on heels in the cushy shoes?

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to roseabi

I can't! I am almost running on tiptoes! I can strike with the ball of my foot and then just roll forwards. That motion is effortless in Hokas. I don't heel strike in the Sauconys either. But it's a flat landing of the ball of my foot with no forward roll at all. If I went back to the Saucs I would have to adjust my running style else it would be a literal flatfooted plod plod (and I don't think I used to run like that!!!)

Decker
DeckerModerator in reply to roseabi

My Hokas created callouses on the inside of each big toe and my physio wondered if they might be encouraging a certain amount of pronation which might be related to some of these other issues. The Saucs also rub but in different places and not so symmetrical in both feet.

Decker
DeckerModerator in reply to roseabi

That was really interesting! As someone with prior knee issues but no foot issues, I can identify with some of what this study seems to confirm. I will keep running in the Kinvaras and see how it goes.

BrianUK
BrianUK10 Miles

I’m not walking or even running on sunshine sadly as I’m back on the IC. Lesson hopefully learned this time that I’m far too old to be pounding along on hard surfaces. I’ll change up my routine and drive out to running spots or walk to the grassy bits in future. It’s agony to walk right now and it’s been such a tough year for me so far, but I’ll be back πŸ˜…πŸ˜€

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to BrianUK

Oh no, that's rotten after such a hard fought comeback πŸ˜ͺ. Its a high price, but you achieved some amazing runs with fantastic PBs. I'm getting a bit more philosophical about the IC - I know it's possible to comeback, but I can't help being envious of those who are less injury prone, those who don't have to worry about whether they'll make it to the end of a training plan in one piece! Speedy healing to you, you'll be back out there, take care.

Decker
DeckerModerator in reply to BrianUK

I’m sorry Brian. Hope your back gets sorted sooner than later. I’ve been off running for a few weeks, but I had cycling to lean on - nothing meaningful but better than nothing. Hope you find something active to work with while you recover.

BrianUK
BrianUK10 Miles in reply to Decker

Thank you Decker. I’ll be keeping an eye on the forum here for sure as it’s fun reading the posts and challenges.

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to BrianUK

... and we'll be waiting to hold you to account when you're ready πŸ˜ƒ

BrianUK
BrianUK10 Miles in reply to linda9389

😬 I’m up for it πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

BrianUK
BrianUK10 Miles

Thanks Linda. This time I’m going to use the downtime more wisely and watch my diet too. I’ll see what static exercise I can manage and plan a daily routine so that I maintain some level of fitness. Also, I won’t be taking the tramadol I’ve been prescribed either! Horrible stuff!

I think I’m getting close to dumping the Garmin too as I’m too driven by numbers. It’s like an addiction πŸ˜‚πŸ˜¬ but I do like goals and targets. Maybe drop it for a while when I get back and take it from there.

You did wonderfully well on your return from injury. I hope it continues to improve. πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to BrianUK

Oh my, Tramadol? That's heavy duty πŸ˜•. The secret is finding a different set if stats fir your static exercise (my comeback 'secret' was trading running stats for cycling stats). Any idea how long you're likely to be restricted to static exercise? All the best, let us know how it goes.

BrianUK
BrianUK10 Miles in reply to linda9389

Yeah I dread the thought of another 6 weeks of no running . I can’t cycle as it involves bending over and it’s my lower back that’s gone. I’ll think of something πŸ˜€To be honest I can’t do anything meaningful right now as it hurts too much but I’m going to do some gentle squats later and see how I get on. I must strengthen my core too but not just yet.

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to BrianUK

Oh wow. Squats? Give yourself a break!!! Lower back is pretty restrictive πŸ˜ͺ. Much sympathy.

roseabi
roseabiAdministrator in reply to BrianUK

Oh I'm so sorry Brian - I was wondering what had happened to you!! 😒 Hope you're back on your feet real quick xxx

BrianUK
BrianUK10 Miles in reply to roseabi

Thanks abi. ☺️ If you see an old man with an NHS walking stick on your rounds stop off and say hi. πŸ˜‚

roseabi
roseabiAdministrator in reply to BrianUK

Aw πŸ’•

Irishprincess
IrishprincessHalf Marathon

I try to be careful that I don’t put on my old shoes which sit right beside my new ones because it’s only the new ones that have my special orthotics! So far, I’ve been ok....and I really should move them.....

That 10K bodes well Linda, always a significant run I think after niggles.

My husband had a bit of lockdown scattiness when he glued the broken head of a garden statue back to front 🀣🀣 it’s hilarious. I mean the head faces the same way as the bum! I’m leaving it as it is because it makes me laugh and also, it was given to us by our sister-in-law who died recently and I can just hear her giggling away every time I look at it πŸ˜‚

The running is still going well. I’m gradually nudging along a wee bit further weekly mileage. I have it in my head to be able to run a 10 mile run once a week. At the minute I can do it once a month comfortably and so the next step is to aim for a three week interval. Let’s see. As there’s no pressure from race training I am feeling much more laid back about trying to push a little. A sore knee? Just take extra time off. Somehow during training, it all gets a bit stressful.

Have a good week everyone and stay safe x

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Irishprincess

Oh, I love the statue - I'm giggling too πŸ˜„. I agree re. injury and no training plan, it's so much easier to be philosophical. Good luck with your 10 milers - that sounds like a nice gentle way to consistently up your mileage and fitness πŸ‘. 10 miles still feels like a 'proper run'for me, a distance that requires respect πŸ˜ƒ

I am extending distance gradually working towards 1/2 Marathon distance. I am following roughly the HM plan but find it a little complicated. I am doing a 5k a 6-7K and a long run during the week, did 15km today finished in bright sun and 26 degrees. I go to to the gym twice a week and do a bit of yoga. Gym consists of 20min walk and a session of weights on shoulders, back or chest. Plan is to treat the 5k as a gentle run at a comfortable pace extend the mid to 10km over the next 10 weeks and extend the long over the next 10 weeks.

I have been running for a couple of years now, I am not very athletic and I am 56yo. I am prepared to slow it down on the odd week if required and \I am in Cyprus so I will keep an eye on the heat and hydration.

Do those experienced think this is a reasonable sort of plan?

TIA

Is this the right place to post this? Seems to be a chat page!

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Jonno34

I was wondering where you are ... we can't go to the gym yet in the UK! The heat must be a real challenge to run in though. That sounds like a perfect plan. Every 4 weeks or so you might want to drop the mileage a bit for a recovery week.

This forum works the same as the others - post where you like, in the weekly chat or a post of your own if you want, all options work πŸ˜ƒ. There's a pinned post packed with HM training tips and we may well be starting up another HM group very soon, so keep an eye out for that if you'd like to join in. Enjoy your training - oh, and be sure to let us know when you've reached 10 miles (16k), as we'll have a badge for you 😊

Jonno34
Jonno34 in reply to linda9389

Am in North Cyprus. On the long runs I catch the dawn. Today for 6k it was overcast and humid 25degrees. I think you kind of get used to it! Not 15k on Tuesday is my longest to date but will let you know when and thanks for the recovery tip what sort of % should I drop?

Thanks again

J

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Jonno34

As with all these things, there is no straight answer and lots of different opinions! You're looking to give your body some time to recover so it will be personal. Here's an article from Runners Connect which will give you an idea runnersconnect.net/running-...

For me heat = indoors. I seem to get tired much, much more quickly and it's just not a pleasant experience. I think we are lucky to generally avoid such hot temperatures as were experienced recently in this county. I'm very thankful I have a treadmill (albeit a very old one) that I place various fans around before I run if it's hot. I'm not one to get that self conscious about my appearance, but it also means I can wear my bright orange sweatband to keep my fringe out of my face :). This stormy weather we're having lately suits me much better :)

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Mike_Bravo

Interesting! I also have a treadmill at home, a secondhand one I bought a couple of years ago. I haven't tried fans - just open windows - but I found it horribly hot without the movement of air on my skin. It's in a room that gets the sun first thing until just after midday too which doesn't help. So I use mine in the winter when it's cold and icy πŸ˜€. The bright orange headband sounds very fetching 🀣

Hello! I’m new to this group. I completed the C25K three years ago and a 10k and half marathon followed in each subsequent year but I said never again after the longer distances caused a bit of hip pain. Anyway, got roped into doing the great north run in September but it’s cancelled so will I or won’t I run the distance regardless? Struggling with 10k so I’m not sure?

No sunshine at all this week on the north east coast, just fog, mist and drizzle!

linda9389
linda9389Moderator in reply to Loops49

Welcome! Pretty wet here in the south today too! Shame about the great North Run, lots of disappointed folk I'm sure. Harder to push for HM distance again without the event as a focus, but maybe the HM group here can help you find the motivation? Worth a try πŸ™‚

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