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Anyone see ”The Game Changers" documentary?

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Anyone see The Game Changers"* documentary 🎥 ?

If so, what do you think of it? 🤔💭

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Thank you kindly for taking time to share your view of the film. 😌 🙏 🍀 🌺 🌞

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*Descriptive blurb (from gamechangersmovie.com/ ):

Directed by Oscar®-winning documentary filmmaker Louie Psihoyos and executive produced by James Cameron, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jackie Chan, Lewis Hamilton, Novak Djokovic, and Chris Paul, The Game Changers tells the story of James Wilks — elite Special Forces trainer and The Ultimate Fighter winner — as he travels the world on a quest to uncover the optimal diet for human performance.

Showcasing elite athletes, special ops soldiers, visionary scientists, cultural icons, and everyday heroes, what James discovers permanently changes his understanding of food and his definition of true strength.

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[Also posted at: healthunlocked.com/veganfoo... .]

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Cooper27

I will definitely check it out when I get the time, I've added it to my list on Netflix.

It's interesting what Schwarzenegger was saying about marketing - I was thinking about marketing on my walk to work this morning, and how america defines what "a man" must buy (big cars, guns, lots of meat). It's funny that the subject has come up twice in my day!

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Kai-- in reply toCooper27

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Synchronicity 🔀 ? Serendipity 🎲 🎲 ? Spooky 👻 ?

Or just plugged into 🔌 the zeitgeist of the times, Cooper27? 😯 😂 😁

[Crying shame 😔 how ubiquitous marketing unconsciously 😑 defines us, our preferences, & eventually our deep-seated beliefs. 😳 . . . Can become more & more difficult to discern ‘fact from fiction’ nowadays. 😯 . . . A real struggle 😖 to get to truths 👩‍⚖️ ⚖️ . ]

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Aside: Talk about spooky ‘synchronicity, serendipity, zeitgeist’, just heard Charlie Kaufman talk about ”marketing" 😲 🤦‍♂️ at approximately minute 28 [41+ minutes total video time] : youtube.com/watch?v=eRfXcWT...

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Cooper27 in reply toKai--

It turned out to be a short documentary, so I squeezed it in while baking a cake for work this evening :)

It's an interesting documentary, they had a couple of studies on fat in the blood stream, cholesterol, and interviewing lots of athletes who found their performance improved on a whole foods diet.

They have a few guys who talked about their diet before going plant based, and I couldn't help noticing they were all about protein, regardless of the source before (e.g. fried chicken). It doesn't surprise me that they noticed an improvement from going whole food from a junk food diet! I found my inflammation markers went down just from cutting out processed foods, which is why that bit stood out.

I do think nutrition isn't a one size fits all scenario, and I'm glad to see these guys found something that works better for their body needs.

There's been a big rise in the amount of processed vegan food appearing on our shelves, and I would also love to see the effects that these have on the results compared to 100% whole foods.

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Kai-- in reply toCooper27

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Thank you kindly, Cooper27, for taking time to note your perspective on film. 🙏 😌

Agreed, rise in quantity of “processed vegan foods” that appear on our shelves isn’t necessarily a good thing — especially in comparison to 100% whole foods.

I think of faux ‘vegan’ foods (‘plant-based’ cheeses, meats, etc.) serving merely as “transition foods” for people trying to wean off animal foods & are having difficulty (understandably) doing so. Unfortunately, I suspect these ‘faux foods’ can do ‘more harm than good’ if they become a permanent fixture in someone’s diet rather than serving as a mere short-term (temporary) bridge 🌉 toward 100% whole foods. 🤦‍♂️ 😞

[Thinking of it as one of those “the road to hell 🔥 is paved with good intentions 👼” type of thing. 😯 ]

Oh well . . . guess this is just one of those things we learn along the way in ‘the school of hard knocks’ 😣🔨 . . . 😖🔨 . . . 🙃🔨

😂 🤦‍♀️

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[Perhaps it’s like a heroine 💉 addict trying to wean off heroine by substituting methadone 💊 instead? 🤔 . . . Resulting in merely swapping 1 addiction for another? 🤔. . . That is, creating an equally vicious cycle ♻️ of trying to wean off (addictive) methadone after weaning off (addictive) heroine? 🤦‍♂️ ]

Don’t know what’s a reasonable workaround for such tough, recalcitrant “addictions” (food addictions. drug addictions, or any type of addiction) especially if cold turkey 🥶 🦃 proves extremely difficult (‘impossible’?) for us. 🤷‍♀️ 🤷‍♂️

[In meantime, whole new offshoot (market) of pricey 💰 faux (heavily processed/ refined) ‘vegan’ foods is created under guise of being ‘healthy’? 😯 🤭 . . . (“Robbing Peter to pay Paul“? 🤔 😳 ) . . . Just another means of companies (excessively) profiting 💰 from high-priced, highly processed/ refined, highly addictive foods under the guise (marketing) of “good health”? 🙃 🤦‍♀️ . . . Merely swapping 1 addiction for another — swapping 1 profit-making product for another? 🤦‍♂️ ]

Hopefully 🤞 enough food savvy health ‘experts’ 👩‍⚕️ 👨‍🔬 👩‍🏫 👨‍🍳 👩‍🌾 raise awareness of these pitfalls 🕳 , so newbies, innocents, & the misguided/ misinformed avoid tripping into these types of hard-to-crawl-out-of holes 🕳 🕳 🕳 . . . 😯 😳 🤭

Sticking with 💯% whole foods (as close as possible) is a goal 🥅 — an ideal 🌈 😇 🌟 .

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Agreed. I, too, suspect “nutrition isn't a one size fits all scenario”. Think when we’re tackling particular health conditions, we learn to tweak ‘n tailor our unique needs & tolerances to suit our circumstances. We “figure it out” along the way. (We learn 👩‍🎓 👨‍🏫 what works & doesn’t work for us. And, learn to adjust/ modify as we go along — as our circumstances evolve.)

Yet, a guiding principle of 💯% whole foods remains (& appears to be) an agreed upon 🤝 guiding light ☀️🌞⭐️💡 🕯 🔆🔅 amongst numerous dietary ‘philosophies‘.

Have found T. Colin Campbell’s 👨‍🔬 work ( google.com/search?as_q=T.+C... ) a sound, well-reasoned, level-headed ⚖️ 🧠 resource in whole food matters ( nutritionstudies.org/?s=Who... ). His work seems to be (remain) a steady, consistent lighthouse ⭐️ of we’ll-rounded experience/ knowledge that serves as a beacon of accuracy/‘truth’ ⚖️ . He’s held steady in the face of tumultuous seas 🌊 of misinformation & ‘marketing fads‘ — bobbing vessels 🚢 🛳 ⛴ 🛥 🚤 tossing, churning, & spinning . . . 😯

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Also found "The Game Changers" FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page ( gamechangersmovie.com/faqs/ ), Core Principles page ( gamechangersmovie.com/food/... ) , & Making It Easy page ( gamechangersmovie.com/food/... ) informative & practical as well. 😌 🙏 🍀 🌺 🌞

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Matt2584 profile image
Matt2584 in reply toCooper27

I’m glad you pointed that out about whole foods and processed vegan foods.

Whole foods would be a lot better for your health and performance rather than eating processed vegan foods all the time.

I thought this when vegan foods were soaring,I was thinking “Although vegan foods are healthier I bet there are some ingredients added that are not good for you”... and I was right.

Processed foods from ASDA are typically chock full of sugar, salt, various chemicals and carcinogens which are bad for your health.

Processed vegan foods typically cut out the chemicals and carcinogens but you will likely find vegetable oils and rapeseed oils which can be bad for your health.

If you go to a shop and buy some oat milk it’ll probably contain rapeseed oil, unless it is organic.

But if you make your own homemade oat milk, you don’t add rapeseed oil to it, that’s ridiculous.

I know you have said the oil is to give you a frothy coffee but the way I see it, people don’t need a frothy coffee. People just need coffee that tastes nice and is good for your health. So in my view, get rid of the rapeseed oil.

It’s like with chocolate bars bought from ASDA, look at the ingredients and it likely has soya lecithin in it.

Now if you made your own homemade choc you wouldn’t be adding soya lecithin in it would you?

My friend is on a mission, she is very close to selling her own vegan milk at the moment.

It is a totally organic, fair trade (when possible) milk that comes in a glass bottle.

She does another oat flavour with added cashew nuts to make it creamier. Naturally creamier rather than adding rapeseed oil which is no way natural.

Anyhow, she is going through all the fluff with trading standards and so on and then she will be selling her own organic milk. Mykind is what she is calling the milk.

So when you were saying you would love to see the results on processed vegan foods compared to whole foods, I think whole foods would be better to eat rather than processed vegan foods.

What I found interesting in Game Changers is that the roman athletes were all vegetarian and one big heavyweight lifter was saying that he gets asked how how he became as strong as an Ox without eating meat and he answers by saying “Have you ever seen an Ox eat meat?”

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Kai-- in reply toMatt2584

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Spot on, Matt2584! 🙏 😌

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As merely 2 samples of ingredients (oils) from 2 ‘plant-based’ burgers:

. . . 🍔 Beyond Burger: Water, Pea Protein Isolate* (18%), Rapeseed Oil, Coconut Oil, Flavouring, Smoke Flavouring, Stabilisers - Cellulose, Methylcellulose, Gum Arabic, Potato Starch, Maltodextrin, Yeast Extract, Salt, Sunflower Oil, Dried Yeast, Antioxidants - Ascorbic Acid, Acetic Acid, Colour - Beetroot Red, Modified Corn Starch, Apple Extract, Lemon Juice Concentrate, *Peas are Legumes ( tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p... ).

[Rapeseed Oil, Coconut Oil are the 3rd & 4th ingredient listed, respectively, & Sunflower Oil appears farther down the list. 😯 🤦‍♀️ ]

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. . . 🍔 Impossible Burger: Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12. ( faq.impossiblefoods.com/hc/... ).

[Coconut Oil & Sunflower Oil are the 3rd & 4th ingredient listed, respectively. 😯 🤦‍♂️ ]

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Yes, serving as short-term ’transition’ foods, these faux meats 🍔 may serve a purpose of helping break long-term ’food (meat) addictions’ for individuals trying to ‘break an addictive cycle ♻️/ unwanted habit’.

Yet, consuming a routine, steady diet of these ‘plant-based’ burgers (or faux meat substitutes), I suspect is problematic — particularly as you’ve noted, Matt2584, with health-damaging oils being an ingredient: Rapeseed Oil, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ . . . 😯 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♀️

Perhaps these types of faux meats might be viewed as brief, temporary, bridging" to get over the hump of ‘meat-withdrawal’? 🤔

But, a steady diet of these temporary bridging foods may be just as unhealthy as a steady diet of the ‘animal meat’ they’re intended to imitate? 🤔

[Robbing Peter to pay Paul? 🤔 . . . Re-arranging the deck chairs 💺 💺 on the Titanic 🚢 ? . . . 🤔 ]

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Kai-- profile image
Kai-- in reply toKai--

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Interesting comparison of plant burger 🌿 🍔 to animal burger 🐄 🍔. . . .🤔 💭

Impossible Burger vs. Beef: Which is Healthier? [14+ minutes]:

youtube.com/watch?v=JP6j-Xf...

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Kellthebell in reply toKai--

My goodness Kaufman, he is more emotionally naked than Woody Allen. How special to work in the media, be part of creating the narrative yet deconstructing it all at once. Very postmodern! Concerning Game changers, it definitely felt like it was one for converting the guys to veganism, especially with working around male stereotypes on meat and muscle, the blood and swearing and emphasis on American sports.... I suppose that is more glamorous and inspirational than the average ecologically aware, middle aged housewife with an auto-immune disease!!!! I'm just glad the message is getting out.

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Kai-- in reply toKellthebell

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You just cracked me up 🤣 , Kellthebell. (Yes, both beloved ‘auteurs’ 🎥 🎞 ✍️ are appreciated for their delightful ‘bare emotions’. 🙏 ☺️ 🤣 )

Spot on with ‘Game Changers’. 👍👍. . . I wish 🙏 ✨ just ’sticking with facts’ ( healthunlocked.com/healthye... ) was ‘good enough’ to encourage people (athletes/ non-athletes, men/ women, young/ old, … ) to consider migrating to ‘ whole foods’ & consider reducing 📉 (or even eliminating 🚫 ) junk foods, heavily processed foods, & animal foods from their daily consumption.

Unfortunate that ’just the facts’ aren’t good enough & a lot of "stereotypes on meat and muscle, the blood and swearing and emphasis on American sports" are used (required?) to inspire folks to explore whole foods. 😳 🤦‍♀️ . . . [Funny/ humorous in a ‘macho/ machismo’ 💪😬 . . . 🏋️‍♂️ . . . 💥🥊 . . . kinda way. 😂 🤣 ]

Yet, I guess that type/ style of approach of movie-making 🎥 🎞 ✍️ does spark interest 💥 🤔 from folks (who may otherwise be disinterested in such dietary concerns) & to begin questioning what they’re putting in their mouths at each meal & how food affects their ‘performance’ (as well as overall, long-term health). 👍👍 . . . I guess if famous athletes 🏋️‍♂️ 🏃‍♀️ ⛹️‍♂️ & movie stars 🎥 ⭐️ 🌟 inspire us ‘regular people’ to examine 🔎 what we’re putting in our mouths 👄 multiple times a day, that’s a good thing. ☺️ 🙏 🍀 🌺 🌞

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Matt2584 profile image
Matt2584 in reply toCooper27

Schwarzenegger talking marketing, he may have been referring to meat only there, and he is right in what he says, but marketing/lobbying is used with many many products.

Marketing/lobbying is basically lying to the public in order to sell their products. It’s all about making money.

Some of the things I have said when referring to Aspartame, I and others would say it can be dangerous but you will find information out there that says Aspartame is completely safe... again marketing/lobbying.

There is information about the main ingredient in weedkiller Round Up being a notable carcinogen but you will also find info saying that is safe to... again Marketing/lobbying.

These corps lie in order to sell their goods regardless of what can happen to peoples’ health.

youtu.be/ovKw6YjqSfM

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Cooper27 in reply toMatt2584

There's quite a difficulty when it comes to food, as it's stuff we've been eating for millennia (or believe people have been eating for millennia).

For the most part, we started going wrong when scientists got a bit too involved (in my opinion at least) - making food in a lab, pesticides, fertilisers, dietary advice. When you need money to fund the scientists, & ultimately the companies they work for, that's when things go wrong.

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Matt2584 in reply toCooper27

I think it’s more a difficulty of greed really.

Scientists and these companies and so on ruin the place and people’s health in order to make money... and what is money at the end of the day?... material.... money is pretty much worthless. As I say it’s about as useful as a used sock.

When you next go to ASDA or wherever, pass over a sock to the cashier and they won’t accept it.

That is because they are brainwashed into thinking that money is an importance.... or is it because they could take it but they wouldn’t be able to use it cos nobody would take it when they try to buy something.

It is the system that we are stuck in that is the problem.

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Kai-- in reply toMatt2584

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Thank you kindly for finding & sharing that gem 💎, Matt2584. 🙏 😌

[Laughed so hard. 😂 🤣 🤪 . . . Loved one of the 1st comments in the ‘Comment’ section (directly under video): "He's not stupid, .... just a liar."

Reminded me of movie "Thank You for Smoking" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thank... ): Thank You For Smoking - Trailer (FULL HD 1080P): youtube.com/watch?v=s3eeTjK...

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Thank You for Smoking (1/5) Movie CLIP - The Joan Show (2005) HD

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Zest profile image
Zest

Hi Kai--

I am also waiting for when it become free to view, but I intend to watch it when it is. :-)

Zest :-)

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Kai-- in reply toZest

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Ditto, Zest. 👍👍 . . . In meantime, will probably ‘nibble round the edges’ watching the related freebie videos 📹 .

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Want2BHappy3

What's it about?

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Cooper27 in reply toWant2BHappy3

It's about pro-athletes and how they felt their performance improved on a WFPB diet.

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Kai-- in reply toWant2BHappy3

"The Game Changers is . . . about the benefits of plant-based eating for athletes. The documentary follows former UFC fighter James Wilks who, while recovering from an injury, travels the world and talks with elite athletes who follow plant-based diets. Athletes interviewed include Arnold Schwarzenegger, Patrik Baboumian, and Dotsie Bausch." [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_G... ]

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The information/ principles about plant-based foods are also useful/ applicable to us ‘non-athletes’ as well, Want2BHappy3. ☺️ 👍👍

If this type of thing interests you, there are pages on the "The Game Changers" website that might answer common queries about plant-based eating:

. . . • FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions): gamechangersmovie.com/faqs/

. . . • Core Principles: gamechangersmovie.com/food/...

. . . • Making It Easy: gamechangersmovie.com/food/...

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Aside, saw your profile (& dreamcatcher avatar/ image), Want2BHappy3, & thought maybe this (Quality Deep Sleep: Physical/ Mental Restoration & Improving Health healthunlocked.com/cure-art... ) might be of interest — maybe? 🤔 . . . Dunno 🤷‍♂️ if it’ll be of any use at all. Merely additional thoughts/ ideas. 😌 🙏 🍀 🌺 🌞

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Want2BHappy3 in reply toKai--

Thanks for the information, but have you ever tasted any of these plant based items? I haven't, but I'm skeptical. Kinda like people saying "Taste like Chicken" when it doesn't?

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Kai-- in reply toWant2BHappy3

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Yes, I eat plant-based (‘whole food’) foods, Want2BHappy3:

. . . • Veg 🍅 🍆 🥑 🥦 🥬 🥒 🌶 🌽 🥕 🥔 🍠 🥗

. . . • Fruits 🍏 🍎 🍐 🍊 🍌 🍉 🍇 🍓 🍈 🍒 🍑 🥭 🍍 🥝

. . . • Beans, legumes 🍛 🍲

. . . • Grains 🌾 🍚

. . . • Nuts, seeds, etc.

. . . . . . . None of which ”tastes like chicken 🐔 🍗 🐓 ". . . 😂 😂 😂

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No, I don’t typically eat faux (heavily processed/ refined) ‘vegan’ meat/ cheese/ egg substitute foods, if that’s what you mean? 🤔 . . . Nor does anyone ‘ have to’ eat faux "taste like chicken” foods. 😁

There’s plenty of other real whole foods to eat, Want2BHappy3. 👍👍

The ’Vegan Foods for Life’ forum ( healthunlocked.com/veganfoo... ) kindly shares abundant tasty (animal-free) recipes & photos of mouth-watering 🤤 meals 🥙 🌮 🌯 🥗 🍝 🍜 🍲 🍛 prepared from whole plant-based foods.

[Whether we choose to briefly (temporarily) or permanently (routinely) eat ‘faux meats, cheeses, eggs’, etc., it’s up to us. 😊 . . . Some view these faux foods as mere temporary ‘transitioning/ bridging’ foods for those of us struggling to wean off animal products (meats, cheeses, eggs, etc.). We don’t have to eat them.]

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Oh, The Game Changers’ website also has a Recipe page ( gamechangersmovie.com/food/... ). There may be some ‘whole food’ recipes there to tickle your tastebuds. 😋 🙏 🍀 🌺 🌞

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Matt2584 in reply toWant2BHappy3

Hi,

I would also like to add to what Kai was saying about plant based foods.

I used to have a terrible junk food diet when I was little and in 96 I was diagnosed with a brain tumour and had a second one in 98.

When growing up I slowly came away from the very sugary diet I had and I now eat more plant based foods. Not completely plant based, I am a flexitarian and lean toward more fruit an veg than meat.

Like with most people with brain injuries, I suffered from frequent headaches and this was while my diet was sugary still.

Ever since I started eating more plant based I hardly ever get headaches and when/and if I do get headaches, I would rather inhale frankincense essential oil whenever I like rather than swallow paracetamols where I can only take a set amount each day otherwise I could make myself unwell or even have an overdose.

Also, like people with brain injuries, fatigue is a big problem.

I used to get fatigued but again my plant based diet has helped a lot and also frankincense essential oil has helped out a lot :).

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Kai-- in reply toMatt2584

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Aside: Don’t know if you’re familiar with Bill Gasiamis’ work/ podcast ( recoveryafterstroke.com/epi... ) at all, Matt2584, but there may be some conversations of interest? 🤔 🙏 🍀 🌺 🌞

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Want2BHappy3 in reply toMatt2584

Your obviously more sensitive to sugar n items that are used in fast food cooking? I rarely eat fast food, too expensive n greasy. I have changed my way of eating, if I eat something off the list, it's portion controled.

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Matt2584 in reply toWant2BHappy3

Well, I don’t know if I am more sensitive to sugar but probably more addicted to refined sugar... well WAS.

Refined sugar is addictive.

You’ve heard “A moment on the lips, a lifetime on the hips” I’m sure. Well that rings true for most people. And although that quote may be referring to cakes, I like to think it refers to most sugary foods.

You eat something sugary, you can’t stop eating it or find it hard to reject.

I came away from sugar pretty slowly at first but once I read that sugar has been compared to cocaine as it is addictive stuff and can cause health problems as well as obesity then I pretty much dropped it like it was hot.

I was not exactly an obese person but according to my Body Mass Index I was considered overweight... even though some people saw me as skinny.... but those are just compliments.

I saw myself as a chunky monkey :).

So I eat a lot less sugary foods now and more fruit and veg and have lost a lot of weight according to some friends.

Processed foods, sugary and savoury, condiments, medicines and fast foods all use refined sugar and to me refined sugar is the enemy.

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Want2BHappy3 in reply toMatt2584

Good luck on your journey, I have alot of work to do on myself. It's HARD, I have No support. Thanks

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Matt2584

Hi kai,

I would also like to see this documentary and I would prefer to see it for free as well.

I have had a look around for freebies but you likely won’t find it or you will have to dig deep.

These days it’s all about money and a lot of these services that provide online movies/tv shows to stream for free are being “legally” closed meaning a lot of people have to pay.

If I manage to find a freebie (good luck with that one) I shall post it.

I think that a documentary such as game changers is not only an eye opener but also very important for the people to know about and therefore it should not be pay-to-watch it should be free.

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Cooper27 in reply toMatt2584

It may well become free once the documentary makers make their money back on it. It costs a lot to pull these shows together properly, so they really can't be published free if it will make the documentarian bankrupt.

Matt2584 profile image
Matt2584 in reply toCooper27

I can understand the makers of the documentary making money from it but when these services/websites close down because of virgin media has closed it down, then there is a problem. Virgin media earn billions. They don’t need us to be paying even further. We, the people, have to pay through the nose for too much while people like Richard Branson (vile creature that he is) evades taxes.

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Cooper27 in reply toMatt2584

Virgin media didn't close them, the government/police push them to, because the services are illegal :)

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Matt2584 in reply toCooper27

Whoever closes these sites doesn’t really matter, the thing is we have to pay even more than usual.

We pay for the internet, isn’t that enough?

Makes me laugh when people say you can download things like images for free... you need an internet connection which you must pay for.

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Cooper27 in reply toMatt2584

Utilities are expensive to get to people's doors, the amount you pay for that covers cables, maintenance, staff costs, upgrading the network, buildings etc. It doesn't leave enough money in the pot to make everything on the internet free as well...

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Kai-- in reply toMatt2584

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Thank you kindly, Matt2584. 🙏 😌

As much as I’d like the documentary 🎥 🎞 creators to financially benefit 💰 from their well-deserved hard work, I’d also like for those of us with ‘limited means’ to freely have access to life-changing information. 😌

[I guess the 2 are diametrically opposed ⬅️ 🙃 ➡️ ? . . . 🤔. . . We each have to earn a living from our efforts — while at the same time — those of us who haven’t means to pay would appreciate having access to critical information. 😳 🤦‍♀️ 🤷‍♂️ ]

Oh well 🤷‍♀️ . . . In meantime we can ’nibble round the edges’ & ’catch as catch can’ from what resources are freely available:

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. . • THE GAME CHANGERS' Film Exclusive Interview [23 minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=7PE8rI6...

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. . • Scientist fact-checks The Game Changers Documentary [14 minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=QB0aieR...

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. . • DEBUNKED: 6 Criticisms Of 'The Game Changers' Documentary [10 minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=n6RGhu4...

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. . • From Sundance: The Game Changers Movie Breaks Open the Myth About Meat [23 minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=2CiTE13...

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Matt2584 in reply toKai--

youtu.be/Mpo_Crsm9XI

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Idkwhattodo123

I have seen it. My favourite part is when they compare meat to cigarettes. I was laughing at the "experts" who said smoking is safe and doesn't cause diseases. Made me wonder if we will do the same about meat in the future. Is worth watching, a bit preachy at times. Time will tell...

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Thank you kindly for sharing you view, Idkwhattodo123. 🙏 😌

Yes, it is funny when we look back in time into the not-so-distant past, where "experts" put ‘on the record’ that "smoking 🚬 is safe and doesn't cause diseases."😂 🤣 🤪 . . .

[How many lives did those experts derail by falsely reassuring smokers 🚬 that their habit was okay👌 — in their ‘expert’ opinion?! (What a tragedy 🎭 . The unnecessary suffering, shortened lives, & grieving loved ones . . . all because 🚬 was pronounced (& promoted) as being "safe." 🤯 🤦‍♂️ )]

Yes, a current parallel appears to be the consumption (over consumption) of animal products 🧀 🥚 🍳 🥓 🥩 🍗 🍖 🌭 🍔 🍕 🍨 🍦 🥛 in our modern day — particularly as promoted by incessant ‘marketing/ advertisements’ bought & paid for by industries (that grow/ profit 💰 from overconsumption 🤑 ).

Have been revisiting the explanations of T. Colin Campbell & strongly suspect Dr. (PhD) Campbell’s wholistic explanations are closer to reality, accuracy, ’truth’ than other many other ‘experts’. [Merely my layman’s opinion.]

If interested, these free 🆓 videos* may be of interest. Although long (1+ hour), Dr. Campbell’s perspective ‘make sense’ in the depth & breadth of historical, medical, & scientific context.

[Therefore, the length of the explanations/ videos can’t necessarily be summed up in a snappy "sound bite" 💬 that appeals to flitting attention spans 🙄 or that require heated emotion 😡 or ‘drummed up’ 🥁 conflict to engage viewers attention. Nor is there typical, unsubstantiated arguments that appeal to viewers who feel compelled to ‘take sides" ⚔️ . . . 🤼‍♂️ . . . 🥴💥🥊 . . . or to dig in their heels 👠 👠 even further . . . . . 😂 🤣 🙃 . . . Instead, the lengthy, thoughtful explanations require careful, patient, attentive listening 🤔👂 in order to grasp the depth & nuance of the concepts discussed. (I’ve had to listen/ re-listen to segments (multiple times) to comprehend the paradigm-shifting concepts being conveyed.) It is a ‘shift in paradigm’ from what many of us had been taught in our ’school days’ — and even what we currently are awash in (brainwashed in 🧠 🧼 🧽 ) from relentless, ubiquitous marketing — paid for & promoted by those who profit 🤑 at the expense of our health.)]

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*T. Colin Campbell videos:

. . . • Diet, Cancer and Whole Food with Dr. T. Colin Campbell [1+ hour]: youtube.com/watch?v=-t5WbR6...

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. . . • Why Your "Healthy" Diet May be Hurting You & What You Can Do | T Colin Campbell | The China Study [1+ hour ]: youtube.com/watch?v=Ed6ZfhF...

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. . . • Animal Protein "Turns On" Cancer Genes - T. Colin Campbell PhD [10+ minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=mguepud...

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I hope I live long enough to see governments acknowledge that processed carbohydrates are more harmful than tobacco!

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Free 🆓 "The Game Changers" movie 🎥 🍿, thanks to Matt2584 & thoughtful, critical points 🤔💭 raised by Hidden : healthunlocked.com/healthye...

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Dr. Neal Barnard & Brian Rose (from ‘London Real’) touch on ”The Game Changers" film 🎞 :

DR.NEAL BARNARD - YOUR BODY IN BALANCE: Will a Vegan Diet Improve Your Health? Part 1/2| London Real [51+ minutes]:

youtube.com/watch?v=gvmZ3RX...

[Clicking on the play button ▶️ in the video above, will show the error message:

. . . "! Video Unavailable" . . . . . 😳 🤦‍♂️

But, if you click on the title ("DR.NEAL BARNARD - YOUR BODY IN BALANCE: Will a Veg…") within the video, you can then access the video.]

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The full video conversation [nearly 2 hours 🕐 🕑 😳 ]: londonreal.tv/e/dr-neal-bar...

They delve deeply into equally interesting topics (related & unrelated to ”The Game Changers" movie) that may be well worth taking the (near) 2 hours to view [Because of interest in the various topics discussed, I ended up watching the conversation ‘in segments’ — as time permitted. For me, the full conversation was interesting, surprising, revealing… And, the topics raised, stimulated curiosity & had me re-thinking/ re-questioning views.] Perhaps not an interview for everyone, but for those who are inquisitive — deeply curious 🤔 💭 💭— this may prove worthwhile. 👍👍

Bite-size snippets of the longer interview (by topic): youtube.com/user/LondonReal...

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I was listening to some of Joe Rogan podcast on a long car journey, and this week they've been discussing/rebutting some of the info in the game changers:

youtu.be/Dq4Apc2Xk7Q

They had some interesting points about B12 and the gladiator diet, as well as some good insight into the fight scenes from Joe Rogan. It is quite long, but enough to suitably confuse us!

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How interesting, Cooper27! 😃

Thank you kindly for sharing. 😌 🙏

Wondering 🤔 💭 how we ‘unpack’/ discern accuracy from inaccuracy, truth from fiction, hyperbole from understatement …? 🤷‍♀️ 🤷‍♂️

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Ditto for these snippets as well:

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The Game Changers Debunked by Joe Rogan? [15+ minutes]:

youtube.com/watch?v=KKa7dDT...

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WATCH: Cardiologist Slams Joe Rogan: "He's Funded By Meat Companies!" [23+ minutes]:

youtube.com/watch?v=UX0ssck...

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Joe Rogan Debate: Chris Kresser Got the Vegan Numbers Wrong Again [14+ minutes]:

youtube.com/watch?v=Dd4XTuB...

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Game Changers Debunked by Real Doctor - Response [22+ minutes]:

youtube.com/watch?v=LbzUOA0...

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Don't worry, I'm not using Joe Rogan as a pinnacle of dietary advice :D the first video you've shared seems to be about another episode Joe Rogan did, and not this one with Chris Kresser. Maybe he will do one soon though!

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No worries, Cooper27. 😄 😂 . . . Joe Rogan appears to use the megaphone 🗯 📣 of his popular platform to explore his ‘pop’ views ( skeptoid.com/blog/2014/02/0... , reddit.com/r/videos/comment... , theatlantic.com/entertainme... ) amongst his huge, pop-culture audience of like-minded(?) followers. [Don’t think he (or Chris Kresser podcasts.joerogan.net/podca... ) will be "sitting at the same table" of dietary/ nutrition/ science/ medical folks [such as a T. Colin Campbell, Caldwell Esselstyn, Michael Klaper, Neal Barnard, John McDougall, Michael Greger, Dean Ornish, et al..] whose whole foods ‘spirit’ appear to be reflected in ‘The Game Changers’ film.

The informed 🤓 📚 👨‍🎓 , articulate 💬 , & well-versed 📖 speakers 🗣💬 in the referenced videos ( healthunlocked.com/healthye... ) may address your particular concerns (”B12 and the gladiator diet, as well as some good insight into the fight scenes")? 🤔 . . . If not, maybe querying those folks directly may result in a satisfying response? 🤔 🤷‍♂️

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I was meaning because Joe Rogan is a wrestler, so he gave some good insight into the work required to prep for a fight (there was a big wrestling section in the Game Changers). Chris Kresser explained how humans produce B12 themselves but that it is created in the hind gut, which is beyon the point we can then absorb it, so we poo it out. To absorb the B12, we'd apparently need to then eat our output 🙈 it was interesting to hear that.

I watched the videos shared, they were interesting, but I don't know whether they cleared anythin up for me. I do think Chris Kresser is quite highly regarded amongst his community though, so while he might not sit at the same table as Esselstyn, ornish & co, he seems to be similarly respected from what I've seen.

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Yes, CR may be respected 🙏 😌 , Cooper27, in his popular circles ⭕️ 🔘 O amongst his community of followers 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦👨‍👩‍👦‍👦👨‍👩‍👧‍👧 of the current times.

How his works (scientific 👨‍🔬 , medical 👨‍⚕️ , dietary 👨‍🍳 , etc. contributions) fare over the test of time (under the rigorous scrutiny of the legitimate global 🌍 🌏 🌎 , scientific, medical, dietary community) will unfold over the historical 📜 test of time ⏳⌛️ . Truth outs.

Truth outs. ⚖️

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For anyone interested B12 resources, have found these practical & useful:

. . 💉 💊 doctorklaper.com/b12 . . 💉 💊 drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl...

. . 💉 💊 forksoverknives.com/vitamin... . . 💉 💊 nutritionfacts.org/?s=B12

. . 💉 💊 b12awareness.org/ . . 💉 💊 healthunlocked.com/pasoc

. . 💉 💊 nutritionstudies.org/12-que... . . 💉 💊 prohealth.com/library/video...

. . 💉 💊 healthunlocked.com/pasoc/po... (click on title within video to view the video)

. . 💉 💊 healthunlocked.com/cure-art.... [‘search’ 🔎 (skim) page for ’B12’]

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😌 🙏 🍀 🌺 🌞

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Finally got around to watching the Game Changers last night on our Netflix subscription. Fascinating stories of plant food diet enhancing performance in high end athletes.

This is the second programme I’ve watched on a vegan diet, the first being Forks over Knives, another fascinating watch also on Netflix.

I became vegan about 5 months ago after a coronary bypass with the ambition of avoiding further heart problems, which are very invasive, and hopefully avoid cancer in whatever guise I might be susceptible to. I believe these are two issues that a vegan diet is widely believed to help with.

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Exactly, willsie01! 👍

Heart health 💗 & keeping proliferation of cancer cells ☄️ ‘at bay’ are just 2 of the systemic improvements a WFPB/ ‘Vegan’ diet is purported to help us with. 🙏 😌

[Chronic lifestyle/ dietary illnesses (such as wide spectrum (’flavours’) of autoimmune diseases: healthline.com/health/autoi... , webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/aut... ) can/ may also be helped by serious implementation of tailored dietary & lifestyle protocols. 👍👍 ]

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Believe you’ve ‘homed in on’ the correct/ best dietary (lifestyle) path for avoiding further heart ♥️ problems (& invasive procedures 🔪 💓 ) as well as reducing/ minimising the probability of cancer cells proliferating ☄️ ☄️ ☄️ elsewhere. 👍👍

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Well done maintaining such a dietary change for 5 months 🗓 🗓 🗓 🗓 🗓 , willsie01! 👏 👏 💐

. . . Well done!

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[Think the earliest days, weeks, months can be the most difficult transition time for us? 🤔 . . . Think it gets ‘easier’, more ‘enjoyable’ as we go along, develop new habits & new favourite foods 😋 as our tastebuds 👅 change/ evolve ♻️ . As well as, the "side effect" of feeling (so much) better. 🤗 ]

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If ever seeking 🕵️‍♂️ 🔎 additional similarly-themed films 🎥 , kindly consider: nutriciously.com/best-vegan... , livekindly.co/vegan-documen... , healthunlocked.com/healthye... , healthunlocked.com/healthye...

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". . . Not bad for a dumb ole UFC fighter . . . "

. . . . . . . . . . . . . — James Wilks

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Truth (begins to) out — if you’re up for a 3+ hour* discussion 😳 :

Joe Rogan Experience #1393 - James Wilks & Chris Kresser - The Game Changers Debate:

youtube.com/watch?v=s0zgNY_...

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[Light-hearted aside: I’d like to get my 3+ hours 🕐 🕑 🕒 🕓 back! 🤗 . . . Whoever has the ‘time machine’ ⏰ 📡 🔮 ( flickr.com/photos/samoca/25... ) would you mind if I borrowed it? I promise 🤝 to return it promptly (& clean 🧼 🧽 ) . . . ☺️ ]

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Aside: How does one retrieve the mass of ‘floating feathers of misinformation’ already spread wide & far 🌎 🌍 🌏 amongst untold numbers of people?

youtube.com/watch?v=bS8FRGT...

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Who ‘picks up the feathers’ — clarifies the misinformation, misdirection, mistruths 🤥 (unwittingly? ignorantly?) spread about?

. . . The people [the "useful idiots" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usefu... ʘ ͜ʖ ʘ) . . ] who’ve participated in spreading the mistruths in the 1st place? 🤔

. . . Or, the people who are already speaking ‘truth’ ⚖️ & having to restate, re-clarify it repeatedly? 🤷‍♀️ 🤦‍♂️

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Maybe, these widely popular podcast (video) hosts 💁‍♂️🎙 🌟 will eventually shine the spotlight 🌕 🌝 ☀️🔅 🔦 on legitimate, well-respected, authoritative science 👩‍🔬 / medical 👨‍⚕️ / nutrition 👩‍🌾 👨‍🍳 👩‍🏫. … ‘experts’ who know (comprehend) not only the ’science/ technical bits’ (data, studies, etc.) but who know how to ‘translate/ explain’ those bits for us laymen to use (practically apply) in the context of our daily lives. 🤞😌

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’Game Changers Debate’ divided into briefer 9- to 33-minute segments by topic:

🤼‍♂️ Is Dairy Consumption Linked to Cancer Risk? [29:40 minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=V1esrQr...

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🤼‍♂️ Chris Kresser & James Wilks Debate "Low Carb" Definition [9:28 minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=QE2qqOg...

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🤼‍♂️ Wild Caught Meat is Better Than Beef [10:51 minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=zE96Bmf...

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🤼‍♂️ Chris Kresser & James Wilks Clash on B12 [33:47 minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=pbUXfdU...

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🤼‍♂️ Do Vegans Get the Amino Acids They Need? [20:47 minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=YGXOrDx...

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🤼‍♂️ Do Animal Proteins Harm Endothelial Function? [12:11 minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=rQauaEN...

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🤼‍♂️ Can We Trust Studies That Exonerate Red Meat? [18:44 minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=AntQ4GT...

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🤼‍♂️ Can You Get Enough Protein on a Vegan Diet? [27:10 minutes]: youtube.com/watch?v=ZTyGP5h...

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For anyone who may be interested:

Jon & Tracey Stewart 👫 chat with Rip Esselstyn [son of Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn ( google.com/search?as_q=Dr.+... ) 👨‍👦 ] about their dietary/ lifestyle experience transitioning from animal foods to vegetarian foods to vegan/ plant-based foods in which they refer to "The Game Changers" film. 😌 🙏 🍀 🌺 🌞

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Ep. 2: Plants over Politics—former Daily Show host Jon Stewart & his wife Tracey [31+ minutes]:

youtube.com/watch?v=TAvwl3A...

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Ep. 3 - Jon & Tracey Stewart Talk Food, Bloodwork, & Benefits of Plants [53+ minutes]:

youtube.com/watch?v=j9dR2jl...

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