Here is a video from YouTube talking about the "10 Foods You Should Never Eat". Some of the foods that are mentioned in the video as follows: eggs, different types of sodas, artificial sweetners, different types of popcorn (microwave/non-microwave), candy, etc. Please check out the video. youtu.be/DzuOaJ9f8qI
I don't agree that eggs should not be eaten. since we now know that carbs are the culprits/can cause weight gain/possible high blood sugars in some cases.
Hi suramo
I'm just about to go out and about, but just wondered what the source of this video is? I don't like to just click on things without knowing where they are from, or maybe a bit of an intro to the link - and I have to say that I am concerned about regarding carbs as 'culprits' - but I'll pop back later, and if you could let me know the source of the video, then I may watch it. But otherwise I won't.
Thanks,
Zest 
The posts keep coming to me from various educational sites.This is from youtube.
Hi Suramo,
I realised it was from the platform youtube, thank you - and I know that there are millions of videos put out by youtube, hence why I was keen to know the source before clicking on the video. I imagine other forum members may be similarly reluctant to just click on a video without knowing who the source is - and I was concerned to find out - to decide whether to click on it myself.
I think for people in the forum, it might be helpful to have an inclusive intro to any link, because like TheAwfulToad says, it can sometimes/often be a case of 'clickbait'.
Kind regards,
Zest
I posted the video because i found its content true and useful. I'd rather concentrate on if it's helpful to us or not.
Thank you, suramo for the explanation.
Yeah, honestly, videos like this are usually just clickbait.
Even governments have stopped telling people that eggs are bad for you.
This is a very interesting and helpful video, suramo . It explains the way certain foods may work/not work with the body if eaten or used as a drink. Thank you for sharing this with everyone. Very helpful!
Hi suramo
I started to watch the video, but it cut-off when it got to discussing 'low-fat yoghurts' - which was probably the 8th food on the list - so I didn't get to see the rest. It makes some good points about limiting processed foods like fruit juices, energy bars etc - but I haven't seen the part where you've concluded about carbs being 'culprits'.
I will try to watch the remaining part of the video on the weekend, if I can find it - but again, I don't know the source - i.e. 'who did the video' apart from it being on you-tube - so it could be difficult to find it. Not sure why I couldn't view it beyond the item on Low-fat yoghurt.
Hope you have a good day.
Zest
If it was as simple as carbs are the culprit then I should be a very fat geezer and getting fatter by the minute. Why instead is mt weight gently dropping when my diet is carbs, carbs, and more carbs? Why ivs it that my weight has dropped from 90kg to 72kg over the time that I have been on this high carb diet? Why is it that this weight loss has been steady even when in the first six months i was tbe biggest couch potato in the land, binge watching breaking bad 8 times fot example.
What i'm saying is science. Healthy fats never cause weight gain. It's carbs that is converted to fats under the influence of insulin.I can't make any comments on your post without knowing anything.
So how do you explain the science around the adventist study 2 which is very large scale, over a long time and shows consistently that the vegans are the ONLY group shine regarding their BMI? I agree go with the science, rather than just my anecdotal story.
Congratulations on your weight loss andyswarbs - that is really great. I was laughing at what you said about binge watching 'Breaking Bad' - I watched that programme too, and thought it was really exciting as a series. I can understand you watching it again - but 8 times... Wow! Anyway, seriously - Congratulations on your weight loss and also on achieving a healthy BMI.
Zest
I consume 30% less calories than recommended, to lose abdominal fats.60-70% from healthy fats, 20-25% from carbs since i'm eggetarian and rest from protein.
Anyone who is calorie deficient on a daily basis will lose weight. It does not matter what diet you follow.
I have to differ.If one cuts calories but takes more carbs the one is less likely to lose weight because carbs will keep insulin levels high which in turn prevent lipilysis, the most important event in losing fats and hence body weight.
Insulin resistance is caused by the storage of excess fat in tissues that are not designed to store large quantities of fat. I know it is popular here to think that insulin resistance is caused by eating too much sugar, however excess dietary fat is significantly more powerful in creating insulin resistance than even refined sugar.
Storage of fat in the wrong places is a consequence of insulin resistance, not the cause of it. How can we tell? Because the symptoms of insulin resistance occur long before (for example) NAFLD. There is no such thing as a person with excessive visceral fat who is not also insulin resistant.
The main problem with your theory is that it fails to explain why visceral fat storage occurs in the first place, whereas the accepted theory describes it very well: fat is deposited in internal organs because disposal of glucose is a metabolic priority, but the usual repositories for it are refusing it (ie., they are insulin-resistant).
>> excess dietary fat is significantly more powerful in creating insulin resistance than even refined sugar.
Sorry Andy, that's complete nonsense. Why on earth would fat provoke insulin resistance? What's the mechanism? If that were true, every person eating a LCHF diet would be insulin-resistant, and the exact opposite is true: they have very high insulin sensitivity - that is, their bodies handle dietary carbs (when they are encountered) extremely well.
(I wish HU presented threads more clearly so that it is more obvious who is replying to who.)
Indeed there is a risk that people on LCHF have insulin issues, just they don't know it. The only way to prove insulin is responding is to challenge it with carbs and measure the responses.
yeah, the thread layout is awful, innit? A bit of indentation would help.
Of course some LCHF adherents have poor insulin response because of some genetic predisposition. It would be a whole lot worse if they were eating endless carb-heavy meals. Bear in mind that a large fraction of them chose LCHF in the first place because they were pre-diabetic, and continuing to eat carbs would have put them six feet under.
>> The only way to prove insulin is responding is to challenge it with carbs and measure the responses.
Obviously, but this has been checked experimentally. LCHF diets cause a rapid normalization of insulin response (if they didn't, fat loss could not occur). That's true even for people who can't tolerate carbs.
I agree. There are a whole bunch of people on the NHS thread reporting daily intakes of 1200kCal, 800kCal ... I think there was even one at 600kCal. And they're still not losing weight. The calories-based hypothesis can't explain that at all.
Calorie restriction as primary has failed. It's not a simple mathematics. Our body changes its metabolism depending on what and how much one eats. Also different bodies have different reactions. Some people may react to low calorie intake by decreasing bmr. Likewise eating more may be responded by increasing bmr and burning of the extra calories or storing these extra calories as fats.
Each person is different and some people have to eat more carbs.. I eat between 50-70 for dinner, but I eat more foods with protein so it lasts longer before I have to get ready for bed.
Thanks for posting, though I don’t know about eggs. I’m no dietician but have read a lot about eggs and don’t believe they are as bad as the video indicates.
Eggs are good for breakfast since they can help keep a person full longer until lunch.
Diets which are based on regular doses of starch cause obesity via a two-phase whammy: one, they infuse a vast amount of energy very rapidly (as glucose) into your bloodstream which your body must store as fat; two, they prevent your body from releasing that energy from storage because starchy meal follows starchy meal in rapid succession. Insulin stays high, which blocks the release of fat from fat cells, and your body ends up demanding more food intake. It's a viscous cycle (for the engineers out there, it's loop instability). This is why fat people end up eating "too many calories".
Low-carb diets work by ensuring that rate-of-energy-in is more closely matched to rate-of-energy-out.
There are two distinct ways to achieve that result:
1) Avoid carbs entirely
2) Eat carbs in a form that are not very accessible to the digestive processes, or are highly dilute (as in, for example, green veg).
Most low-carb diets don't actually count carbs from green veg as carbs. You're basically encouraged to eat them ad-lib.
Andy is doing approach (2). It's less likely to result in the disposal of excess carbs as fat (because there isn't any excess) and it doesn't block fat-burning (because it doesn't force an excessive insulin response). The problem is that it doesn't work for people who are already insulin-resistant - or at least, it may take some time for results to show.
Remember, if you're avoiding carbs, you do need to keep eating fat - leave the skin on your chicken. Protein is a very poor energy source and you'll start feeling like crap if you try to force your body to use it as such.
Tad, your understanding of when carbs goes to fat is missing an important word. That word is excess. Only excess carbs are converted to fat. Eat sufficient carbs for your body and none of it will be converted to body fat.
No, that really isn't accurate. It's about rate, not aggregate quantity. If you want to demonstrate that to yourself, try eating 1400kCal/day of jellybabies and chocolate cake for a week.
The controlled variable is blood sugar. That determines where carbs go at any given moment. Energy fluxing in and out of fat cells is an ongoing, dynamic process: babies born without fat cells (due to a genetic fault) usually die quickly, because their body has no means of storing energy except the glycogen pathway. The whole purpose of fat is to store energy from food and release it later.
There's nothing inherently problematic with carbs being sent for fat storage, because in a normal body it will flow right out again when insulin falls. People get fat because the second part of that mechanism - release from storage as blood sugar falls - is being shut down by ceaseless ingestion of 'fast' carbs. Don't imagine your fat cells are sitting there doing nothing just because you eat only 'slow' carbs; they're continually storing and releasing fat for you, as they're designed to do.
In fact your fat cells are probably being worked quite hard if your energy intake is entirely in the form of carbs - most people eating that kind of diet have little or no spare glycogen capacity because a high-carb diet shifts the setpoint towards the top end of your available capacity. People eating high-fat diets, paradoxically, have a glycogen setpoint around the 50% mark - in other words, they have a much more resilient system for dealing with dietary carbs. This has been measured experimentally by taking biopsies from muscle. It's pretty interesting.
Eat crap carbs and you are doomed. Eat crap fats/oils and you are doomed. Surely we can at least agree to this!
I guess so, but we'd probably disagree on what constitutes 'crap'
Just to be clear about this, I don't think carbs are evil. Occasional doses of bread, rice, and so on are perfectly OK; healthy, even. It's just that most bodies can't handle the constant onslaught of them that the dieticians describe as "balanced", especially in conjunction with the reduced-everything-else regime which forces your body to synthesize all the stuff that's missing (or demand more food in a desperate attempt to obtain it). You, for example, probably have the same circulating triglycerides as I do, except that yours are constructed from dietary carbs and mine come from dietary fats.
In fact, I would assert that a big problem with the modern diet is not too much of this or that item, but too little variety, and therefore inadequate general nutrition.
Thank you, are you still swimming?
You have encouraged me to swim....
Interesting exchanges going on here! My 2 cents- there's a book out called Wired to Eat by Robb Wolf. Interesting book- he shows how everyone reacts differently to foods, and how to figure out what you function on best. Some need more carbs, some (probably the majority) just can't handle them.
The calorie theory- more irrelevant than not; it's not so much the amount of food you eat but what you eat. Exercise to lose weight- as they say, you can't outrun a bad diet, but you still desperately need exercise. Fats are evil- depends on WHICH fats you're talking about; yes, processed fats are evil. Healthy whole grains- turns out, not so healthy! At least not in the volumes we consumed under the old paradigm, and wheat is just a mess. Dietary cholesterol will give you heart disease- they dumped that theory awhile ago. So eggs? Not so evil anymore. The nutrition wars rage on!! Change is a-comin'!
Hi again suramo
I've managed to watch the entire video now - not sure why I couldn't last time, but I watched it through to the end.
My query to you is why you've summarised the video with the following words beneath: i.e. you said "I don't agree that eggs should not be eaten. Did they restrict carbs? since we now know that carbs are the culprits/can cause weight gain/possible high blood sugars in some cases'
I cannot see any suggestions in the video about 'carbs being the culprits' - infact it lists the foods that they say "10 foods that you should never eat" as being
10. Fruit juices
9. Energy bars
8. Cereal
7. Margarine
6. Low-fat yoghurt
5. Ice-cream
4. Eggs
3. Microwave popcorn
2. Sugar-free candy
1. Diet soda
I think the title "10 foods that you should never eat" is quite an attention grabbing title - probably chosen by the person creating the video to 'grab our attention' - and there's no suggestion/idea of 'who' the people are who created the video - that's why I was concerned when you first posted it and asked to know the 'source' - other than the platform of you tube - which I already realised.
Certainly there is absolutely no mention of carbs being a culprit - they mention the addition of sugar to many of the foods they are suggesting 'not to eat' - and the processed nature and additives etc.
Clearly you have generated a lot of reaction to this post, but to be honest, I don't think the information is as helpful as you are suggesting, and you have extrapolated your conclusions somewhat to suggest that 'carbs are the culprits' - I think this is somewhat biased.
Zest
We can talk about the high protein low carb. diet plan soon. Chicken and other meat don’t have carbs. unless you have the skin as part of the meal.
I'm talking science. All the foods in the video except eggs and margarine are loaded either with carbs or trans fats. There was a postulation that eating fats is bad and causes obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes and chd cvd.But now we know that's not true.It's high carbs esp refined ones that are responsible for excessive fat deposition in the body since carbs esp refined / processed ones raise insulin to high levels and insulin being anabolic hormone converts carbs into fat inside human body.
It's an old belief that cholesterol is the culprit / responsible for chd cvd and restricting cholesterol in diet is the solution. That's why the advice not to eat eggs but now we know that 95% cholesterol is produced in our body and dietary cholesterol has a very little role in raising blood cholesterol if any.Also cholesterol is an indicator of wear and tear going into our body and is actually helping to seal the inflammatory sites.
Thank you for the explanation of the cholesterol and inflammatory sites for the body.
Breakfast is a large bowl of porridge, mostly with fruit (banana, berries etc), chia seeds. Lunch is raw greens, salad, fruit with some starch (yesterday was 3 slices of bread). Dinner is pulse/grains/legumes based with cooked greens. I drink green tea in the morning, then fresh miso with seaweed, then water for the rest of the day.
Probably just the jumbo oats are over 100g carbs.
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