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BBC program on vegans

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Looks like Michael Mosley's "Trust me I'm a doctor" series is looking at veganism.

bbc.co.uk/news/health-45409471

His summary:

"The researchers found being a vegetarian or vegan was associated with a significantly lower risk of heart disease and cancer, though there was no difference in all-cause mortality.

In other words, being a vegetarian or vegan was associated with being healthier but not necessarily with living longer. "

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Zest profile image
Zest

Hi benwl

I will have a look at that programme, thanks for the head's up. :-)

Zest :-)

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benwl

But you are taking sides, you are taking the side of meat eaters.

Not only that, you are claiming that your side is the "natural" one - and by extension that the other side is unnatural.

These are claims, they are not facts, and they can be investigated in exactly the same way as other research that you say should be investigated.

Why do vegans bother you so much?

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FoxyholeHigh Risk

I follow Michael Mosley I enjoy his programmes

benwl profile image
benwl

I appreciate you spending those 5 mins.

I love and enjoy my food too, so we have that in common :)

in reply tobenwl

Each one of us is different in many ways to others. We each need to find the best way of eating for ourselves. Veganism and vegetarianism will be fine for some but not for others. I became unwell when trying it. Healthy eating is the foundation of eating and from there we can try which way suits our particular bodies best.

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Veeee

When is it being aired?

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benwl in reply toVeeee

Saturday 4:30 on BBC 2.

Looks like it covers some interesting topics as well as the vegan thing.

bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bjj24p

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MisslovelyVolunteer

Im a vegetarian, have been over 30 years now and do try every year to be a vegan (for my own reasons but sadly fail). I am a firm believer that food is fuel and yet should be enjoyed but not used as a crutch! I am also believer in pro choice and personally think that if we all just make 1 or 2 small changes to be more ethical that will help all living things inc the planet. This is could be something so simple as recycling to cut down on waste or buying from our local farm shops or local retailers on the high st helping our economy or cruelty free makeup, fairtrade items etc But there are considerations such as budget, availability & our own moral compass.

I raised my children eating meat even though im veggie, as i believe it should be an individual choice and not just mine imposed on someone else. Even i have found a lot of negativity from “some” vegans not all (most are lovely and very helpful) when reading posts in vegan/veggie groups on other social media. I think those few forget that their actions / extreme pov can hurt living beings and is against the very thing vegans stand for!

We should do our best to support each other and be respectful of other pov so i will be watching the programme at some point as i do find it interesting to see the health benefits of following a plant based diet 💜❤️💜

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andyswarbs in reply toMisslovely

Do Mcdonalds respect personal choice when they spend many millions daily & on TV, on the Internet and in every city across the globe on advertising directly to children with their clownish advertising and pricing that is irresistible? And that's just one company.

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Fran182716Prediabetic in reply toandyswarbs

No they don't, and I think the government should take more of a stance on advertising of all unhealthy food, especially to children, I know when mine were small they were particularly susceptible to the sugary cereal adverts shown around the children's tv programmes. The sugar tax is a tiny drop in the ocean and I doubt it will make any difference.

Still we as individuals can still show respect of each other's choices, what works for one is not necessarily right for another.

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MisslovelyVolunteer in reply toFran182716

Totally agree !

I think the companys should do more to promote the healthier choices and make their less healthy choices a little healthier where possible, but ultimately the individual has to be held accountable for their own decisions and for the under 18’s the parents!

Too many parents allow the tv to babysit & they do not get children involved with the making of food - and i dont buy the i dont have time because im working because i was a single mum of 2 kids and worked 60hours some weeks and still made proper meals for them, they wanted chicken nuggets - they made them with fillets etc i didnt buy the fizzy pop except for holidays, wholemeal bread was the norm - if they dont know white bread - theyl

Not eat it!

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Penel

Michael Mosley’s programs are always interesting and worth watching.

I think that there is a good chance that any diet which makes you think carefully about what you are eating is likely to be associated with a beneficial health outcome.

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benwl in reply toPenel

I do agree with respect to what Dr Yeo does on that program. He's presumably being paid a lot to do a diet with cameras watching so has a strong incentive to follow it closely and not cheat. So it's not that surprising that he loses some weight and has an associated cholesterol loss, and there would most likely been a similar outcome had he followed any other 'diet'.

And that's a downside of the television as entertainment format, it's fun to watch but scientifically it tells us little.

But the claims about vegan health in general made by Mosley in the associated article reference this published study ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/268...

And with studies like the Oxford-epic and the Adventists they are not putting people on diets as an intervention but looking at those who are naturally being vegan or not over a longer time period, and these are starting to show that vegans may be healthier overall.

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JAS9

Do vegans have the same mortality rate? Yes, it's true, but watch this to find out why, and what to do about it. (Hint: take B12, increase Omega 3 and reduce Omega 6) youtu.be/tP_LIY8cjf4

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