I know that many of the members are very well read,highly qualified and exceptionally intelligent,still some thing is missing.There are many who are or were on the top in their respective fields ,they fully understand that it the foundation which is the most important part of any building,then why jump to super structure,which can be modified in different ways.Every one very clearly knows that by ignoring foundation,you can not expect any building to be stable.This also stands true for diabetes or for that matter everything.
The first step towards reaching a solution is to identify the problems.
I know we Indians are all drawing room debaters and when it comes to face an audience we are very shy and retract in a corner.
The whole purpose of exercise was only to bring out each ones perception about the disease with their own personal experience and I am sure no amount of web references will even begin to match.It will be our own by our own people.Just imagine the vast plethora of varied experience.Let thousand flowers bloom.
I would have been delighted if some one wrote that "Diebetes is a disease in which sugar in blood remains elevated.This raised bs causes many symptoms and over a period of time damages kidney,eyes,nerve tissues and is associated with heart and brain problems.It would have been a bonus if some one added what they felt prior to being diagnosed as a diabetic.
I will not make it long and end by quoting a couple of lines from a hindi film from bygone days Naya Daur,
Sathi hath badhana,ek Akela thakk jayega mil ker hath badhana.
Thanks every body.
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I wonder if the medical practitioners can totally rule out neurological/ psychological reasons? If yoga and even homeopathy has placebo effect level (percentage) outcomes, could psychology or BELIEF have some minor role to play? efar52@gmail.com [I reckon I may have come up with a speculative proposition]
What is your problem? You think members don't educate you enough? Why should they? They don't owe it to you. Google and you will get all the answers on diabetes. You have to take pains to gain buddy. There us nothing called free ride.
You are right ,no body owes any thing to me, NEITHER I owe anything to any body,BUT every one here owes to this forum and this platform.All are duty and honour bound to nurture it.
I have seen many bullies and big mouthed,boosting of many things,but when it came to real things ,they start looking side.ways.
Members in this group are more than forthcoming with cures, exprriences and relevant dara on Diabetes. This is even after submitting half baked questions without details on age, hb1ac, diet and exercise regime, members have taken care to answer best of their knowledge and experience. You can't expect more for free!
I can't agree with you more.I may also have contributed here and there.But it is besides the point.
From questions that are or were put I suspected that many of them are quite ignorant about diabetes.So it was my endeavour with the help of fellow members,who are quite know legible,to prepare basics as well as details about various aspects of diabetes and Put in a single place in this forum to act as reference point for any one to see.
No diabetic forum has done this,but they are not blessed with such brilliant persons as this forum.It stands in a unique position.My request to all members to make it unparalleled .
Boss, I have absolute admiration for your advocacy of "thinking for oneself" and laud your defence of skepticism. Therefore, it is all the more difficult for me to understand this new fancy of yours
The reason I am skeptical is that first time I reversed readings within three weeks without any diabetic medicine whatsoever and for three months the reversal was monitored and confirmed. Second time it came in pre diabetes range within 4 or 6 weeks but I did not monitor. This year, after a quick drop in five days, my HBA1C has been coming down at an average of 0.175% per week (it is down from 11.6% to 7.2% and now I often get 120 within four hours a meal). Since I did not take any medicine to manage blood glucose, the only thing I can share is my diet. Tell me and I will email it to you: efar52@gmail.com...
No. I enjoy yr writings more. I just figured out a mediterranean dish out of Khapli Gehun. A very healthy dish mainly raw, extra virgin olive oil and cracked toasted gehun- I wanted to beat Maggi so it is a one minute dish. The supply of Khapli gehun has run out - no new crop here. My swimming pool is likely to start soon. good for all kind of diets.
Recently I got a little khapli gehun from Kerala.Though I had written about it, but never tasted.It is really very appetising and no hunger for a long time.Thanks for motivating me.
small confession. I conducted a small camp in Pune based on LCHF mainly based on Khapli Gehun. It was a very exciting experience. My maid and cook made money. A lady wondered if Alphonso mangoes could be incorporated. A guy liked the Malai Lassi recipe and insisted it be included. Most liked Dal Makkhan Tadka. Rogan Josh and chicken Biryani were also liked. Afghani butter naan made out of Khapli gehun was also a hit. In the end every one gained 5-6 kg weight but went away blessing me for the nice time they had. When mood is good BS runs away. When they mentioned about gain in weight i told them all rats gain weight when diabetics comes under control.
It was based on LCHF principle and Khapli gehun was used as the cereal along with Bajra, Jowar, Barley Oats and brown chana,chhole, kidney beans, lobia.The whole idea was to show that Diabetes is a state of celebration not deprivation.
AG is a bloke who looks at you people for support. AG has no patent over Khapli Gehun. I am a foodie and working on how to help the diabetics lead a fuller life. Tell me how you put the smiley in your post?
For a donkey grass is a grass is a grass. The Alpine cows like to eat their grass with the alpine herbs to get the heavenly taste in their milk and chocolates. I follow Peace.
Sent you my 1,850 - 2,200 calorie diet plan. My current intake of carb @ 200g a day is high by LCHF standards but better than average 500g I took in recent years up to beginning January 2014.
Are you so novice not to know what is dm2.Let me explain, Diabetes is of two types.
(1) Diabetes insipidus-caused by a particular hormone difficiency.
(2)- Diabetes Melliatus -It is again two types Type1 and type2,both are caused by little or no insulin (type1), insulin difficiency or insulin resistance or both(type2).
Frequent urination and thirst are only common symptoms in both DI and DM. Otherwise it is totally different condition. Not related to insulin in anyway.
Gillkashmirsingh: I re-emailed it to you a few hours ago. Since I used another ID, it either went into your spam or I erred in copying the address. Now I have emailed from the id to which you reported non-delivery. Sorry and thanks.
I'd prefer to keep my carb intake strictly in control. It makes sense to me & as far as I am concerned, it works. Except for the "night phenomenon" of course.
About 2,500 as I did not take that much flesh, flaxseed or nuts. Yes, in the first week of finding 11.6% I reduced intake to less than 1,200 and walked 12 kilometers with a view to achieve 7% weight loss which brought the A1C to 9.8%. After that average fall has been 0.175% per week and I may be reaching a plateau on the decline.
Thanks for the advice. Perhaps I should go for further carb reduction before I take medicines...
Medfree,
Is it really advisable to exercise, however mildly, when ones blood sugar is high ? Today, at 6.20am, I clocked 144 on Accu Chek.
Thanks for your help.
I have curd (home made, wife makes it) every night after dinner at about 8 pm. I have tried cheese (a full block of Amul cheese) at night too. I have tried wine. I have tried vinegar. All in vain, thus far.
Even Metformin-SR has been useless & after 45 days, I have stopped it.
I haven't done the treadmill as yet. And, I haven't consulted a diabetician thus far. I think you guys here are more honest and sincere with your views. I continue to read & try to find a solution.
Whatever you are doing is post dawn phenomenon. So if you are benefited in anyway your BS will decrease after your blood sugar has risen to a certain level. The point is that you have look for if you can stop the DP. Have you checked your fasting insulin level? It can indicate whether you are insulin resistant or insulin deficient in the morning.
If by all efforts you are unable to control DP then you may need long acting insulin dose.
On the dot, shrisamarth. I was thinking exactly the same.
How does one test ones "fasting insulin levels " ? Is it the same as what I have been doing ? That is, after dinner not eating for approx 10/12 hrs, then testing blood sugar levels ? My testing shows BS levels between 110 & 150, never lower, very rarely higher.
Insulin test is a lab test. You can correlate that result with your sugar level. This conclusion is as a guideline. If fasting insulin levels are low and FBS is also under limit then you are not insulin resistant. ( In my case, my fBS is mostly under 90 I had tested my insulin level six months back, it was 2.) Baseline insulin level of <10 with normal BS level indicates no insulin resistance.
Thanks very much, shrisamarth. Have called up the lab and fixed up a test for 7.30am Wednesday, 7/5/14 morning. Shall get the lab report by e-mail 7th evening & shall then post.
Am holding out on all other experiments till then. That is, no apples, no exercise till then.
However, have tested my treadmill. Its in great shape
The results have just come in and are showing 21.9 where the range is 2 to 25 for fasting insulin serum by CMIA. In other words, the result is normal, but nowhere close to under 10, as you mentioned. The lab is Metropolis. What do I make of this ? Keenly awaiting your reply. Thanks.
Though it in the range specified by the lab it is near upper limit. (Labs are not concerned with diagnosis). I think some insulin resistance is definitely there. That's why FBS is also high. So to lower FBS you have to work on the insulin resistance.
As your case is of DP it is pertcularly difficult to suggest anything specific. But as you were planning for exercise you can try that. Additionally you can try again metformin SR. Also add ALA to your supplements.
This is what I am going to do tonight and tomorrow morning.
Before sleeping tonight at say 10 pm I will eat an apple, as Patliputra suggests. When I wake up at 6am, I will test. Then I will walk for 15/20 mins and then test again.
I'll post the results tomorrow.
I will gradually increase the walking to 30 mins and then only if required to 45 mins.
May I put a word of caution here! I relate my personal experience.It was yr.2006-7.I was in USA at that time for several months.So I joined a jim and started on treadmill.Within a week or so I was doing it about 40 mins.After that I did 10 different varieties of press.By the end of two months, I felt that I am unable to that much as when I started. When I came back after a few months got first heart attack followed by cabg.So please be care ful.
Thanks, Patliputra. At the first sign of stress, I'll stop immediately. Since, I haven't really exercised, I know I have to begin very slowly. No "macho-giri" for me I'll err on the side of caution.
Thanks again. Best regards.
Right. Thanks, medfree.
Should I eat a FULL apple or just half of it ? I don't even eat a FULL apple for breakfast.
I was worried about the carbs that an apple has. I think half an apple should be adequate for me. But, I will start after my insulin test on Wednesday.
Psyllium husk will help up to some extent. But you can't eat psyllium husk in large doses. Besides fiber, protein in LW also helps in lower glycemic response.
It is very much debatable ,how much omega3 you get from flax seeds.Flax seeds contains ALA which which is precursor of active omega3,which are AHA and DHA.It is always doubtful how much ALA is converted into AHA and DHA by our body and more so in a diabetic state.Of course eating fatty part of fish definitely provide you with some AHA and DHA.
What dosage of CoQ10 & Alpha Lipoic Acid ? Thank you.
For CoQ 10 ---100 mg and
Alpha Lipoic Acid---300mg,
would Vista Nutritions brand be OK ? I can buy them on e-bay. What dosage for Supradyn ? Is Becosules Z as effective ? Thanks.
Thanks, medfree. Shall buy and start on all 3. Thanks again.
Some oils (coconut, palm, sesame) including many of the margarines and hydrogenated are hard on me...but butter is OK. In fact cheers me up if I take in moderation. I love basic cheeses like cheddar...so taking mire fat may not be too much of an issue...
It is always advisable to avoid PUFA.Omega 6 is known to cause inflammation at cellular level including coronary arteries,initiating the process of atherosclerosis.If the ratio between Omega6 and Omega3 is1:2 or even 1:3 it is ok but beyond that it is injurious.Omega3 is anti inflammatory.
so why go into their debate.West used flax not as a food ,but as a source for making linen,before cotton took over.
flax originated in Asia and we are using it as a part of our diet since a very very long time. Our system has evolved to accept it naturally.
The cyanide scare is meaning less as our bodies naturally processes it as small amount is always present in the body as we are taking thiocynates in our food through different vegs.More over the we take flax seed no more than 2-3 Table spoon which contain about 5-10 mg of non toxic thiocynate,while sodium or pot.cyanide needs to be taken in the range of 1000mg to cause serious toxic problems.
There are many foods in India which we are using since hundreds of years. Curcumin from turmeric is known to Ayurved. That's why turmaric is heated with oil (tadka) to extract curcumin.
Sorry, medfree, I just cannot understand the calculator properly. My fasting blood sugar is 140. My fasting insulin is 21.9. So is the IR calculated like this :- (20x21.9) (140-3.5).
That equals 3.21. Is that good, bad or not so bad ? Thanks for any help. Much obliged. I will read Dr. Attia's article tomorrow. Thanks again.
Ordered the dope today Got a discount of 25% on mynutramart.com. Hope to receive it in the next few days.
Btw, with a fasting insulin level of 21.9 & a fasting blood sugar level of 140, how is the IR calculated ? Thanks for any help.
Assuming an average fasting blood sugar level of approx 126 on One Touch & a fasting insulin level of 21.9 (Metropolis Labs), my IR is 6.81. This means I have severe insulin resistance.
Point now is what to do about it. Any reading links would be welcome. I am now going to read Dr. Attria.
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