Intermittent Fasting without Weight Loss

[JayPwP]

Hi,

Any ideas on how to do OMAD or 2MAD without weight loss?

Apologies if this is a repeat question 🙏

[bassofspades]

its probably a matter of Macros and caloric intake. You might be low on fat and protien. The way I was instructed, the number of pounds that is your goal weight is the MINIMUM amount in grams of protein you should eat. The amount of calories you get from fat should be equal or more than the calories of protien, but never less. If you eat less of that amount of fat, your body will compensate by converting protein to fuel, thus, lean muscle mass weight loss. Fat will be your fuel. You will feel less fatigued if you stick to this method, theoretically. What about carbs, you might ask? You might have to add some in there, but make sure its not junk food. Personally, I think the only healthy carbs come from honey and milk (unpopular opinion!!) You can add some fruit as well. Just dont go crazy with the carbs. It says you are in India. Does that mean you dont eat beef? If so, thats too bad, beef is the best food, (unpopular opinion again). Beef, butter, eggs, salt are the best. Other ruminant animals are good too, like deer, buffalo, lamb, etc. Pork and poultry are good but not as good. And personally, I would be careful with seafood, since just about every body of water on earth is contaminated with toxins and forever chemicals. (unpopular opinion) And finally, do a decent amount of weight lifting on a regular basis to gain muscle mass. For extra muscle support, put a big scoop of whey protien powder in some greek yogurt after workouts. It will preserve your muscle mass and make it easier to recover from working out. Whey protein powder contains all 9 essential amino acids including Cysteine, which is the precursor (along with selenium) to Glutathione, the master antioxidant. It also clears lactic acid from your muscles, which is responsible for soreness and fatigue. So sorry, I didnt mean to write such a book for you! Good luck my very good friend!

[JayPwP in reply to bassofspades]

Book really appreciated Bass...

Thank you 🙏

[Jbeaner in reply to bassofspades]

Just what I needed to hear! Thanks.

[Steegen]

I think one meal a day is a bad idea, just my 2c.

If you google any interviews with fasting researcher and expert Valter Longo he's generally against extreme versions of time restricted eating (which is very different to fasting). Gall stone formation is a big risk. And the evidence seems to show that breakfast skipping is associated with lots of bad health outcomes

[JayPwP in reply to Steegen]

I hear you... What's the alternative you suggest?

[Steegen in reply to JayPwP]

Since I'm not an expert id suggest googling Valter Longo and listen to his interviews. He is the expert in the fasting field imo.

But he basically says eating within a 12-13 hr window is best for circadian rhythms etc and what all the long lived populations do, the world over .

[bassofspades in reply to Steegen]

I'll add 1 cent to that. If you eat enough fat, your gallbladder will empty out and will not accumulate stones. Consistent fat consumption.

[MarkPrana]

Eating big portion sizes. I do 18/6 - only eating 6 hrs a day.

I also have a BMI of ~20, as I'm very tall and skinny (1.92m and 75kg).

I was ~70kg shortly after my diagnosis c. 2yrs ago.

So, my experience is weight gain is possible, especially when you consider the following:

1. On top of my intermittent fasting, I'm taking weekly GLP1 agonist injections (Exenatide) for my PD, which brings with it a significant side effect of weight loss.

2. I do high intensity exercise 6-7 days a week, which requires calories/further promotes weight loss. Most of this is a combination of cycling and running (I'm 50yrs and fortunately still fairly fit).

I do try to do a weights session once a week (with mixed success as I don't really enjoy this type of training), which is supposed to build muscle mass and therefore weight gain.

I'm also fortunate that my tremor is not yet too severe.

My approach is to eat 'intentionally'. I probably eat portion sizes 2-3 times what a typical adult would have at meal times.

I know I can't afford to lose any more weight, and my neurologist would probably take me off Exenatide if I did as my BMI would drop into a 'risk' category. This motivates me to eat healthily and to eat big portions.

Not sure if this helps, but it's been my experience.

Good luck with the fasting, I firmly believe the glucose control / insulin sensitivity benefits will be shown to be beneficial for PD in the coming years, similar to the GLP1 agonists.

[JayPwP in reply to MarkPrana]

Thank you 🙏

What's your typical diet? Keto or unrestricted?

[MarkPrana in reply to JayPwP]

I try to eat a Mediterranean/MIND diet, predominantly vegetarian w. lots of fish. I do try to limit carbs in favour of protein and vegetables, but definitely not full keto (although I'd like to try this at some point).

I measure my blood ketone levels and usually always naturally reach a score somewhere between ~0.2-1.0 most days at the point I'm breaking my fast.

I sometimes add in ketone esther supplements, which cause my ketone levels to rise to 1.0-2.0.

[Redginger in reply to MarkPrana]

Can u clarify for me what u mean by "I am 1.92cm"?

[JayPwP in reply to Redginger]

It seems to be a typing error.

[MarkPrana in reply to Redginger]

Oops, that's a typo - now corrected in post above. Thanks for flagging.

[park_bear]

Your body is an important guide. If your diet, whatever it may be, leaves you feeling satisfied and well nourished, chances are you on the right track.

[Caro-1973]

Hi Jay! Add coconout oil to your coffee, soup, stew, etc. Neutral coco oil. Eat bigger portions. Avocado also is good

[JayPwP in reply to Caro-1973]

Thank you 🙏

Is there any upper limit? Coffee or tea in India is usually with added milk, I guess coconut oil will not go with it.

[Caro-1973 in reply to JayPwP]

You can use cream instead of milk. Whole products, no light. I dont know about limits.