Non-Cow dairy products

[Alock2020]

I consume non-cow dairy products (goat or sheep milk cheese and yoghurt). Are these unhealthy for Parkinsonian's?

[Esperanto]

There are no clear advantages of goat and sheep milk over cow milk. The composition of both is very similar to that of whole cow milk. It is also not proven that goat and sheep milk is more digestible. In relation to PD seems the same for all milk products, limit or avoid consumption.

All types of milk contain a significant amount of protein and are a source of vitamins B2, B12, and calcium. However, there is a difference between the three types, as the fat in cow milk contains a high amount of saturated fatty acids. This increases the risk of heart and vascular diseases. Sheep milk (and buffalo milk) contain even more fat, saturated fatty acids, and proteins, and therefore more calories. They are mainly used for cheese production. Buffalo milk is particularly known for mozzarella cheese. However, semi-skimmed goat milk contains significantly less fat and is often considered a healthier choice.

People with a cow milk allergy are usually unable to consume goat and sheep milk as well. The majority of individuals allergic to cow milk are also allergic to goat milk, sheep milk, horse milk, camel milk, buffalo milk, and donkey milk.

[WhyRBD]

Well I have to disagree with Esperanto in regards to goat and sheep milk. The composition of goat and sheep milk is not similar to particular cows. Goat and sheep produce an A2 cassine protein where cow stock from the USA and northern Europe produce an A1 cassine protein. It is this particular protein that gives milk its intolerance and it is what I have discovered contributes to night time events for those suffering from iRBD. I highly recommend no dairy from A1 cows (you can consume A2 cow milk) and all grass feed goat and sheep products are good. When it comes to saturated fat, well I recommend you look at the sugar and grains you might be consuming before you demonize saturated fat. I consume over 1 oz of coconut oil daily and have a perfect lipid panel. What I don't eat is any grain or sugar. I have been testing these two strategies daily for the past 5 years and have proven to my doctor that just maybe something in their messaging might be off. I highly recommend everyone ask their doctors what is their regiment to be a optimal performance. IF you get nothing, RUN! How can a doctor preach if he or she does not practice (at least on themselves)?

[peminc]

I believe yes, dairy is correlated with the incidence of PD, and had I known, I would have switched to soy/almond a long time ago. Please don't ask for a website source, but I am pretty sure there is the statistical link, but as they say it may not be causal.

[WhyRBD]

peminc Just dairy is the wrong way to look at it. The Meditteranian diet is not a dairy free diet. What it is is a diet that is free of A1 casein protein. This is so important as we look to manage our disorder with diet. I have been able to all most reduce all night time iRBD events with diet and suppliments. Restricting A1 casein proteins and plant lectins are critical to managing, slowing and possible slowing the disorder. During a 24 month study at the University of Florida, my diet was able to improve my condition instead of degrading it. I came down with this disorder while be a staunch VEGAN (10 years) - no daily - no meat of any kind.

[asparagu in reply to WhyRBD]

I have also been grain-free, dairy free, & obviously gluten-free for the past 2 years with significant health gains. My neurologist noticed my motor symptoms improvements over the past 2 years as illustrated by my lower motor fluctuation score, as well as my PT who claims that I am reversing the progression of my PD! As a scientist I don't believe in unproven remedies however, I approach every new solution that's offered to me with an open mind as scientific discoveries would have not lead to any health benefits if they were discarded at the start! I am dedicated to gaining as much knowledge as I can about a new remedy/ supplement/ food etc... because with unbiased knowledge, you can find, evaluate, and apply new information that can possibly help you gain slivers of health!

[peminc in reply to WhyRBD]

Thank you. As a child I was not permitted to drink junk juice or soda pop, only OJ for breakfast or milk. The habit of drinking milk and eating dairy products was established early, and I never really stopped until a few years ago. I'm in my 60s. It was not easy but the almond milk products are very good and that made it possible.

Coincidentally, I think may have been mildly lactose intolerant but I didn't know until I got a 23 and Me DNA test. Now that milk is outta my diet, there is the benefit of being less gassy. But ice cream is a guilty pleasure that I find hard to resist.

I will do some reading on the casein connection. Thanks.

[JackBruce2024 in reply to WhyRBD]

I moved to Greece one month ago and decided to experiment with goat cheese. I have had a healthy portion each day for the last 30+ days and have not had any RBD reactions whatsoever. My diet is otherwise free of dairy and grain products.

[WhyRBD in reply to JackBruce2024]

Sounds great. I will reach VIA DM as I would like to learn more.

[JayPwP in reply to JackBruce2024]

I would suggest recording your detailed protocol in your HU profile. Makes it easy to refer and update.

[gomelgo]

Milk is nature's food ... for babies. It is not meant to be continued into adulthood ... of ANY species. If you must consume dairy, consider human milk maybe. If that sounds weird and ridiculous, perhaps the idea of drinking the substance from other species may not be very logical either? Look up casomorphine, the opiate in milk that makes sure the baby continues to drink it until weaned. This is why many people like myself who go vegan, always give up cheese as their final frontier. If you change your perspective a little, it may just become common sense that milk of any sort is not made for adults. For baby cows, they need it so they can gain several HUNDRED pounds in the space of a year. I hope what I am saying is at least helping shift your perspective. Even if you continue your casomorphine addiction. It took me almost a year to finally give up cheese. So I get it.

[JayPwP in reply to gomelgo]

I would be beaten up if I chase human milk now...

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