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Has anyone tried “compassionate use” or “right to try” laws?

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I’m getting pretty desperate here as hubby can no longer tolerate any dopamine therapy. He’s only 61, can barely speak or walk, and I have to help him with almost everything.

There’s actually not much out there on the horizon, but considering trying it with Buntanetap or neflamapimod (for Lewy Body), as I don’t know if he’ll live another year to see if these get FDA approvals.

Due to his cognitive decline, he’s not eligible for DBS, FUS, most trials, and my guess is even stem cell therapies would cause him trouble as tiny increases in dopamine make him crazy,

Curious your thoughts?

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Boscoejean profile image
Boscoejean

What type of therapy are you hoping he could get with right to try? I wonder what would happen if you would email the researchers who are developing the more recent therapies and asked about right to try and if they expect the medications to be available within the next few months.

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Furch in reply toBoscoejean

Have you investigated the possibility of Focus Ultrasound? or perhaps some neuromodulation devices ?. I agree with you that right to try should apply to people with PD. There are so many different avenues on the path of PD treatments. However the funds don't provide enough money for research. Except when big pharmaceutical companies get the most respect. You can see this when you see the various trials and reseach when they only a few applications.

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M-o-ggy

Have you tried B1 HCL. Search for Dr Constantini

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LeharLover62 in reply toM-o-ggy

B1 also makes him crazy. It did work for him a couple of years ago when he could still tolerate dopamine meds.

M-o-ggy profile image
M-o-ggy in reply toLeharLover62

Some people need to take a good quality multivitamin to enable the B1 HCL to work properly. I call it the refeeding syndrome although that might not be the technically correct term

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LeharLover62 in reply toM-o-ggy

I would love it if he could even tolerate a multivitamin. He’s so sensitive that even that would trigger psychosis (for example, niacin, folate are known triggers for him)

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Pegcity

Is he still able to eat on his own? I am assuming you have to help him with bathroom trips. How many years since diagnosis?

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LeharLover62 in reply toPegcity

Yes he is hanging in there with eating still thank god. But his swallowing must be supervised.

He’s had it since 2006.

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pvw2

Sounds like you need to consult the alternatives neurologists can give you.

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LeharLover62 in reply topvw2

Yes. At his last visit they said advanced Parkinson’s with no treatment options and only Palliative care.

With the exception of nuplazid I should say and we’re about to try that as it’s all that’s left.

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Smittybear7 in reply topvw2

How do you find an alternative neurologist?

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Juliegrace in reply toSmittybear7

”alternatives neurologists can give you,” not an alternative neurologist.

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gomelgo in reply toSmittybear7

But there are functional neurologists and integrative ones like Dr Mischley who is well known.

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Hikoi in reply togomelgo

Does she treat patients at the palliative care stage?

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gomelgo in reply toHikoi

I don't know. You could call Seattle Integrative to find out. She focuses entirely on pd.

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Ghmac in reply togomelgo

I have spoken with Dr. Micschley's office and they are very nice. We are in Idaho and she is in Seattle, Wa - they offered me a face time appt. if that helps. She has several doctors there that she has trained.

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gomelgo in reply toGhmac

I ended up speaking with Dr Evans who has been lovely.

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MBAnderson

fda.gov/patients/learn-abou...

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Bolt_Upright in reply toMBAnderson

Excellent link Marc!

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Smittybear7 in reply toMBAnderson

Thanks, great link!

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7springshollow

I'm signed up to start right to try next year. It's easy to do. It requires you to have exhausted every treatment that is offered but since there is no treatment for Parkinson's just treatment for the symptoms you basically just fill out the paperwork. I'm going to Hope Bioscience in Houston for stem cells. They are having amazing results in their FDA trials. The bad part is you have to pay out of pocket.

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gomelgo in reply to7springshollow

How much is it and what is the procedure?

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7springshollow in reply togomelgo

I think it's currently $5700 per treatment. Since it is not FDA approved yet they have to offer it at their cost. At the first appointment they do blood work and extract a tbsp of fat. Back in the lab they separate the stem cells out and using their own method they multiply the stem cells for quite a few days. Then the cells are administered through IV. You get your own cells.

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justoldage in reply to7springshollow

Dr John Bergman now has a clinic in Tiajuana and is doing stem cell therany. He lives in California and has a clinic there. He is a chiropractor and has treated Parkinsons patients. Check Youtube for "Dr John BEggman Parkinsons".

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justoldage in reply tojustoldage

The name is Bergman not as spell checked.

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7springshollow in reply togomelgo

I think it's currently $5700 per treatment. Since it is not FDA approved yet they have to offer it at their cost. At the first appointment they do blood work and extract a tbsp of fat. Back in the lab they separate the stem cells out and using their own method they multiply the stem cells for quite a few days. Then the cells are administered through IV. You get your own cells.

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LeharLover62 in reply to7springshollow

Thank you! We live in Texas so I’ll add this to the list of possibles. Did you start by asking your doctor? Or reach out to Hope directly?

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7springshollow in reply toLeharLover62

Lucky you to live so close. I read an article about their first trial in the Houston paper and contacted Hope directly. They have some videos on YouTube explaining their protocol and stem cells in general . Their stem cells are such high quality that other places that conduct trials get the stem cells from them and you couldn't wish for nicer people.

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LeharLover62 in reply to7springshollow

Great! And I see this page on their website with an email address: hope.bio/expanded-access-po...

Oof…it says they have a 2 year waitlist.

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JayPwP

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Rafafan

I just found this clinic that treats parkinsosn and does lots of tests that you dont get with NHS to help you get healthier. We had a free 25 monute chat with Max on the phone and he gave us lots of advice. It may be helpful for your husband. My hisband wants to come off his madapar due to side effects and Max has a macadopa natural alternative capsule which we are going to try him on. But he also advises on diet and lifestyle too. parkinsons-alzheimers-clini...

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RonB1

It sounds like he might be low in B6 and B12. Find a really good Naturopathic Doctor who specializes in PD.

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LeharLover62 in reply toRonB1

Hm…well he’s been tested for those many times and supplemented b12 ( but he can only tolerate small amounts of b vitamins) I think his B6 and folate were on the lower side last test.

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RonB1 in reply toLeharLover62

Dr. Laurie Mischley should be able to help him with this. When B6 is too low, everything seems to go haywire.

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LeharLover62 in reply toRonB1

I did find this study which might shed light: mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/3/599

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RonB1 in reply toLeharLover62

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RonB1 in reply toRonB1

Yes, high homocysteine levels can cause dementia and other mental issues. However B12 lowers homocysteine. Also, B6 is depleted by Carbidopa so it needs to be replenished but with small doses of 3 to 5 mg per day. You should consider vitamin injections as well.

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Tribselyov

It is a progressive disease

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Jebbie12

you really should call Dr Mischley. You can do a zoom type appointment and she doesn’t rush you at all. The appointment is about 2 hours or less. She is great and very well respected in the neurologists world

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LeharLover62 in reply toJebbie12

Thanks! We may give her a try.

He does have a functional medicine coach and his current neuro uses a lot of supplements in his practice.

The trouble is most of the supplements offered to him (which work for most people with PD) make him psychotic.

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1LittleWillow

I second that recommendation. It certainly couldn't hurt. I purchased access to her "PD School" and have been working my way through it. There's so much helpful information.

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justoldage

Have you considered red light therapy, or the Dr Tass gloves? There are a number of people making the gloves linked to this forum. Dr Hamilton in Tasmania, Australia, introduced Red Hat therapy several years ago.

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BlueEyedLady1

Good morning LeharLover62.

I do understand your concern. My husband has advanced PD as well. His neurologist had him on the highest dose Rytary 61.25 Carbidopa/245 Levodopa x 5 doses (total daily 306.25 /1225) + Pramipexole until 2 years ago. After the neuro moved away, I began exploring alternative treatments for my husband as he was experiencing many reactions (vision problems, chest pains, severe incontinence etc. )

We found a local PCP who is willing to work with us using natural means. I rejected ALL of my heart pharmaceuticals due to severe reactions and I went to totally natural treatments. (I had a heart attack and have 4 stents). My health is improving with my heart problems under control and my diabetes is gone.

The PCP allows me to monitor his daily PD treatments and report to her every 4 months for blood work and review of treatment. I have changed his dosage several times in the last couple of years.

We have been able to get his Rytary (36.25 C/145 L) down to 3 doses per day (Total 108.75/435 per day). I also give him Mucuna Pruriens - 100% Natural Levodopa from Nutra Vita with daily total 2250 mg. He also takes large doses of Green Tea Extract (EGCg) to replace the Carbidopa effects . He is doing much better than when he was on the high dose Rytary alone.

I am discovering that his problems were emanating from the synthetic carbidopa and not so much the Levodopa.

We anticipate getting him completely off the Rytary some day.

We are now facing the problem of Parkinson's psychosis, but I have discovered what kicked it off. We had Covid back in August and that is when the psychosis started. We have notified our PCP and we are discussing treatments. She has suggested Methylene Blue and infrared light for his overall health, and we are awaiting our order to begin that path as well. In the meantime he is using his insight and discernment to control these hallucinations (asking me if I see what he sees and if not, he ignores the problem)

He has begun to have more balance problems so we were able to secure a Rollator walker and he is now walking more and getting more muscle strength.

I have learned in the last few years to not be afraid to reject the pharmaceuticals and to trust (Prov3:5-7) that the Creator has supplied all our needs when he made plants for food (Gen. 1:29-30).

Not all people react the same way to treatments and we must all deal with the every day problems we encounter concerning our health.

Blessings to you dear lady.

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Godiv

I’m so sorry you’re having such trouble. He’s lucky to have you. I didn’t want to know that Dr. Mischley isn’t taking new patients . Unless that changed in the last week or they didn’t put it on the website correctly. But there are other people there who have studied under her.

I went to one and they were very nice but I get discouraged because they said in our appointment “ I’ll help you respond to the medication“ and then they added “ until you don’t.” I didn’t want put a name here because perhaps I misunderstood. Or am too sensitive.

And I guess you could applaud potential realism. But I just couldn’t.

It’s not FDA approved or anything like that but there’s also the fecal transplant effort. I don’t know if that something to look into. Not something anyone wants to pursue in away but it sounds helpful if researchers would pursue it

Again I’m sorry. It’s a hateful disease and a butt kicker.

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LeharLover62

I emailed Annovis bio to inquire and the president herself responded:

So sorry to hear about your husband: he is so young.

Our present study is completed and we will have data at the end of January. At that point we will conduct some subgroup analysis to see, if our compound helps in advanced Parkinson's disease.

Right now we do not know.

I wish you and him the best.

Maria

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Janessister

I was just searching online for a physician who would prescribe my sister buntametapp via compassionate use. Why not? Parkinsons' reduces life expectancy so both your husband and my sister should qualify. And they know buntametapp is effective with little or no side effects. Any docs out there know why we can't do that?

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