BEWARE! RED LIGHT experiment FAILED! Don't get RIPPED OFF!

[PDWarrior1900]

We all know that we are struggling to find something... ANYTHING... to relieve our symptoms... let alone cure or reverse them.

I do think that "laboratory-style" red light therapy shows promise. But there are many "pseudo/fakle" red light therapy systems being sold for up to THOUSANDS of dollars that are totally WORTHLESS!

Here's the TEST: ... place your hand over the red lights... do you see that red light shine through and display on the back of your hand?

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If it does not shine through your HAND...

how can it possibly shine through your SKULL???

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WATCH these two researchers/ scientists (one is an M.D. and the other is a Chiro) --DE-BUNK ... "over-the-counter red light therapy"

Here's the link... watch this very informative video about red light 'penetration' from the 'toys' that are being sold for THOUSANDS of dollars (rip off!)

skip to the 4:57 minute mark to see the experiment that this M.D. and scientist did with a red light and a piece of raw, bisected head of a lamb ... NO penetration!

youtu.be/iZbP2IVekh0(Not working as expected?)

[jimcaster]

I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. I'm sure some cheap red light gadgets are a waste of money, but there has been considerable research done to determine how and if various forms of near infrared light penetrate the skull. I am very confident about the wellred coronet and Vielight.

vielight.com/can-light-pene...

[Isthistheone in reply to jimcaster]

Good point Jim. If the red light source is weak it can't penetrate the skull. I would try a high quality one, the cost is holding me back.

[WinnieThePoo in reply to jimcaster]

It is pretty much impossible, for me anyway, to try to see if the light from the helmet can shine through flesh. There is just too much red light about from the other leds. But I am significantly more confident about being able to do it with the therapad made with the same leds - although it is still quite hard to stop light leaking between gaps.

On that basis, I am fairly confident I can see the therapad light through my fingers (not the gaps in my fingers - probably).

But your points were both good. There are a lot of toy lights out there, which are unlikely to provide the same therapeutic benefit as devices like the Coronet may do, and there has been a fair amount of research and trials on the subject using quality equipment.

And some of that research points to redlight stimulation "migrating" around the body, so that there is not necessarily a need for red light to act directly on the neurons in question. Indeed, even accepting the amount of penetration that the Coronet is claimed to achieve, its not reaching the neurons in the substantia nigra - so if its helping them, its an indirect effect

There are times when you can't beat a good placebo effect, just as long as its working for you!

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to jimcaster]

thanks for the link... did you notice how they DON'T provide an actual 'photo' of that light penetrating a .... hand...??? ...--------------

and WHY do i see so many of the Vielights being dumped on EBAY?

here's one for $250...

ebay.com/itm/165486309202?h...

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to jimcaster]

by the way, jim, did you note the 'title' of that link?------------------------------------

"Can light penetrate the skull?"

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it does NOT say... "Can Vielight penetrate the skull?"

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and if you do a 'page search' (control + f on your keyboard) for "Vielight"...

on that entire lengthy 'proof article' it only mentions "Vielight" ... once...

in the sub-title of Figure 9.

Very questionable "photo" ... at best...

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I remain very skeptical of any of the toys on the market ...

you might want to read this article about the red light coronet... June, 2019 --

and note the part that says: "

"Interesting stuff, but where’s the research?"

parkinson.fit/wearing-a-red...

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And did you know that there is a stage 3 trial for photobiomodulation going on right now?

can't find the link right now... but it's a company out of Arizona... seems legit...

best of luck

[jimcaster in reply to PDWarrior1900]

At the end of the day, we each have to do our own research and make our own cost/benefit analysis. We don't have the luxury of waiting. I find the evidence of Photobiomodulation to be encouraging and worth the cost. You apparently don't. That's fine. Neither of us can be sure we are right. There's no point in arguing. Don't buy a red light product. As for me, I'm glad I did.

[Hidden]

I highly recommend digging deeper in to the science of red light therapy before making big conclusions.

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to Hidden]

'i' didn't make those conclusions... 2 scientists did... did you watch the entire video?

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to Hidden]

and you might want to read my lengthy post above, best of luck to you and stay strong!a 'miracle is around the corner!

[Hidden in reply to PDWarrior1900]

There is a lot of scientific videos on this subject, many many hours worth. I recommend seeking out more info than your short video. Just my humble opinion.

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to Hidden]

I've been researching 'red light therapy' for almost a year... your reply to me was very fast indicating you did not take the time to review the scientific links i provided...

[Hidden in reply to PDWarrior1900]

I didn’t because I too have been researching it for almost a year. I’m waiting for trials to culminate before drawing conclusions. To each their own.

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to Hidden]

one tip... get ... sunshine! i do at least 30 minutes on my face and back... 3 - 5 times weekly... i researched that thoroughly and yes, the 'sun' does penetrate through the skull

cincinnatichildrens.org/new...

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liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/...

"Light penetrating the skull (sunlight and PBM) can alter melanopsin.41"

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2 hour video from this M.D. on benefits of sunlight

"Sunlight: Optimize Health and Immunity (Light Therapy and Melatonin)"

youtu.be/5YV_iKnzDRg(Not working as expected?)

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good article on the sun healing 'bone'

sunlightinstitute.org/sun-e...

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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

"Serotonin and melatonin have also been implicated in many mental and cognitive disorders, such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, and sleep disorders [25,29]."

[Gioc]

But maybe it warms up the brain?!

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw/2....

“…However, these results suggest that autophagy is altered by Hight Temperature (HT) in skeletal muscle cells, and suggest that HT could be a therapeutic approach to target autophagy in skeletal muscle. Strategies such as hot water emersion, sauna, or localized heat application may provide therapeutic benefit, particularly in conditions with dysfunctional autophagy. ”

[Hidden in reply to Gioc]

I wonder than Gio if devices like this , brain cooling devices have a negative affect? Maybe calming the brain by cooling the brain reduces the glymphatic systems cleansing and autophagy. But it has been shown that cooling the brain reduces insomnia.

aasm.org/cooling-the-brain-...

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to Hidden]

thanks for the link but i've never looked into this before so can't help you

[healthabc]

Personally, using the coronet absolutely has helped me sleep. Unequivocally. For nothing more, I am glad I bought this product. Sleep is invaluable.

[WinnieThePoo]

the 'sun' does penetrate through the skull

But if I hold up my hand, or a thin magazine, I can't see the sun shine through it

So maybe you've answered your own question about the validity of a simplistic hand/ slab of meat test

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to WinnieThePoo]

winnie did you watch the video i posted from the M.D. and other researcher?

[WinnieThePoo in reply to PDWarrior1900]

No. Did they show red light not penetrating but sunlight penetrating?

[PDWarrior1900]

you have to watch and find out (tease tease lol)----------------

youtu.be/iZbP2IVekh0(Not working as expected?)

[kevowpd]

"Red and near infrared light" per coronet

Im not across the conceptual framework at all, but i would point out that my home security cameras have LEDs that, when you look directly at them, glow red, but produce no visible light to the naked eye, or at least no significant amount. When you look on the monitor, of course, the yard looks like the Shibuya Crossing, swimming in IR light.

All of which is to say that the relevant light may not actually be visible to the human eye, even if the LEDs light up in a fashion that results in some of their own visible light.

(I also dont own a hat, but from what i am hearing, the LEDs visibly glow red).

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to kevowpd]

if you watched the video then you know that the 'red light toys' (even those costing thousands)... are worthless.... PMB is real... and works.... in the laboratory ... once company is now doing a stage 3 trial with results in 2024

[kevowpd in reply to PDWarrior1900]

Who tf is treating their PD with a red light toy

[Hidden in reply to PDWarrior1900]

Yes, it is real and can work but many for home use do little or nothing. Do you have any links to the trial you mentioned? Could be worthy of its own post.

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to Hidden]

when i have time i will create a separate post -- as i have many, many links on red light therapy also known as photobiomodulation... meanwhile... you might want to review this link... DISCLAIMER: i have never bought or used any of the devices you see offered at this website... so BUYER BEWARE!-----------------------------------------------------

quietmindfdn.org/equipment....

[Grumpy77]

Hello PDWarrior, I purchased the coronet several months ago, i think almost 2 years ago. Its done absolutely nothing to improve my tremors but it has definitely helped cleared my (mostly early morning) brain fog. My brain fog has, though very gradually, now completely disappeared.

I have no vested interest in the coronet and would be ready to dump it as wasted investment if it wasn't helping me at all. But it has. And its definitely NOT placebo effect

By the way I watched your posted video. My background is software development not electrical engineering or physics (though I don't code anymore these days), so much of it was mumbo-jumbo to me. So I'm very glad i had been using the coronet and experienced the benefits long before you posted your video otherwise you'll have dissuaded me from owning a very valuable and helpful tool

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to Grumpy77]

very glad to hear you are having improvement! stay strong! a 'miracle' for all of us is around the corner!

[eschneid]

Been dubious since day 1 of using my Coronet, but I agree with healthabc above that my sleep is better. I used to do it once/twice earlier in the day, now once in the evening and sleep is improved.

[PDWarrior1900]

very good to hear you've had some improvement!

when i have time i will create a separate post -- as i have many, many links on red light therapy also known as photobiomodulation... meanwhile... you might want to review this link... DISCLAIMER: i have never bought or used any of the devices you see offered at this website... so BUYER BEWARE!

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quietmindfdn.org/equipment....