Chinese exports

Forgive me. Allow me to play the conspiracy game. 😀

All these suppliers of B1, all nations, reporting out of stock.

The Chinese are holding thiamine hcl shipments in order to treat Chinese citizens against the virus.

[chartist]

Vitacost is back in stock with 500 mg / 300 capsules of Vitamin B1 for $25.47 plus tax and shipping is free!

vitacost.com/vitacost-vitam...

There was a series of B1 articles and videos recently released or rereleased that may have temporarily affected supply vs demand. Their overall B1 stock appears to be up. Same with Swanson, iHerb and Amazon.

Art

[Bolt_Upright in reply to chartist]

Thank you Art! My favorite (first one I tried) is back in stock at the evil empire! Solgar Vitamin B1 (Thiamin) 500 mg.

[LAJ12345 in reply to Bolt_Upright]

Is that at vitacost? Still says unavailable for me.

[LAJ12345 in reply to chartist]

It still says out of stock for me

[chartist in reply to LAJ12345]

I just clicked the link in my post and added it to my cart and it never said out of stock??? When they were out of stock before, it said out of stock and it was grayed out.

Art

[LAJ12345 in reply to chartist]

Weird. Maybe they are keeping it just for the US if it’s short? Solgar says the same.

Vitacost

[chartist in reply to LAJ12345]

It's funny that you put it that way because that's what Roy said China was doing, keeping it for themselves, but it appears that the US may be the ones keeping it for themselves!

Art

[ion_ion in reply to chartist]

I tried to order from Canada and I could not. I did it from US and it is working. So Roy conspiracy theory is backwards!

😀 Biden new slogan: America first!

[ddmagee1 in reply to ion_ion]

Good news!!

[ryzlot in reply to ion_ion]

No - you have it backwards. Not available from Canadian supplier means not shipped to Canada retail. Available from USA because they are retaining control

JR

[LAJ12345 in reply to chartist]

Perhaps vitacost have trouble with the international mail system. Although I was able to order other things, so no. Yeah, I reckon they are rationing it.

Do you think the government has banned shipping it out as it may be a possible coronavirus treatment?

[ddmagee1 in reply to chartist]

I don’t think so.

[chartist in reply to ddmagee1]

What do you think?

Art

[ddmagee1 in reply to chartist]

Same as ion_ion’s reply.

[chartist in reply to ddmagee1]

ddmagee1,

I'm confused, my reply says essentially the same thing as ion ion, which was a tongue in cheek reply. Meaning Roy was suggesting a Chinese conspiracy to hoard B1 and since LAJ could not get the B1 in her country I gave the backward example that ion ion referred to which again was another tongue in cheek reply.

In any case, I thought the reason was because of the recent rereleasing of old and new B1 videos and articles along with the newer articles and videos suggesting that B1 might be useful in fighting Covid-19 and didn't really have anything to do with any government conspiracy by China or the US. We saw all kinds of shortages of zinc, vitamin c, vitamin d and quercetin in 2020/ 2021 due to Covid-19 so it seemed reasonable since Covid-19 is still in the world.

The truth is that I have no idea what exactly caused the temporary shortage of B1 and I hope my poor attempt at humor did not ruffle anyone's feathers and I apologize if I did offend anyone.

This is what is hard about trying to do humor on a message board where people reading can't see you and your facial expressions and body language. It is easy to be misunderstood and taken the wrong way.

Art

[ddmagee1 in reply to chartist]

No problems! Who knows for sure about conspiracies, but I was merely trying to convey that I didn’t think it was because of a conspiracy, from the USA, to hoard B-1! Facial expressions and body language to convey tongue-in-cheek humor, like through FaceTime, or Zoom, probably would have conveyed the humor better! You are right! No offense taken!

[LAJ12345 in reply to chartist]

😊😊😁

[Missy0202 in reply to chartist]

Shows out of stock for me

[Hidden in reply to Missy0202]

Vitacost In Stock

Two months or more ago, Customer Service told me that the out of stock is corrected by using different browser

[Missy0202 in reply to Hidden]

That’s odd. I just chatted with a customer service rep who indicated they are unsure of when it will be back In Stock 🤔

[Hidden in reply to Missy0202]

The web page says in stock.

[Missy0202 in reply to Hidden]

It's so weird. I tried another browser and same thing... I asked for a email when it is back in stock and I just got an email saying the wait is over and it is back in stock, yet when I click on it.. It says OUT OF STOCK! Maybe because I am Canadian

[LAJ12345 in reply to Hidden]

Can you please put the link for me to try

[Hidden in reply to LAJ12345]

vitacost.com/vitacost-vitam...

[LAJ12345 in reply to Hidden]

Still out of stock for me😬

Out of stock

[Despe in reply to LAJ12345]

vitacost.com/vitacost-vitam...

Perhaps because you are not in the US?

[LAJ12345 in reply to Despe]

Yay, I think it’s back! It seems to have been able to be added to my cart this time! Thanks.

[chartist]

No, if anything the government is going to give it no credence at all, just as it has with every other alternative that has shown any benefit against Covid-19. If they say anything, they will say something like it is untested and unproven and then show zero interest in it .

Art

[LAJ12345 in reply to chartist]

theenergyblueprint.com/what...

Ari Whitten has it down as a supplement to help fatigue.

“Vitamins and supplements:

Including Coenzyme Q10, B complex vitamins, especially thiamine (B1) and riboflavin (B2); magnesium, astaxanthin, alpha-lipoic acid, Acetyl-L-carnitine, creatine, D-ribose, taurine and turmeric among others. For more information, read “The Best Vitamins and Supplements to Fight Fatigue.””

“The Best Vitamins and Supplements to Fight Fatigue.”

theenergyblueprint.com/the-...

Actually b1 isn’t mentioned in the second one

[chartist in reply to LAJ12345]

Yes and Dr. Costantini also used it in non PD patients who had other diseases that caused extreme fatigue and he found it quite helpful to relieve the fatigue part of the disease! Here is a few links to something he posted about Thiamine for fatigue :

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/251...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/243...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/233...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Art

[sthjyq]

If I change the 'deliver to' Australia flag (top right hand corner) to United States and enter a valid post code, miraculously they become available. Change back to Australia and they are out of stock.

[LAJ12345 in reply to sthjyq]

Mmmmmmm

[medvedpeki]

Maybe not the best place for this question but I will try ... Due to the lack of B1 HCL a friend got me B1 as thiamin mononitrate. Will it have an effect like B1 HCL, I don't know if I can try that?

[Hidden in reply to medvedpeki]

Mononitrate is harmful over time.

[Kengurcica in reply to Hidden]

Hi there On what ground do you say that - it can be harmful? Do you have some extra information, or link to share?

[chartist in reply to Hidden]

Roy,

Can you link to the data that shows that thiamine mononitrate is "harmful over time"?

Art

[Gioc in reply to chartist]

Perhaps because it is not water-soluble like the HCL type..

Quote:

"There are two forms of thiamine often used in vitamin B1 supplements - thiamine hydrochloride and thiamine mononitrate. They are both synthetic, however thiamine hydrochloride (HCl) is water-soluble, unlike thiamine mononitrate. This makes it harder to manufacture, but much more effective as a supplement as the body can absorb it easier. That's why we only use thiamine hydrochloride in our vitamin B1 supplement."

gandgvitamins.com/vitamin-b...

[chartist in reply to Gioc]

Hi Gio,

According to the NIH, Thiamine HCI is water soluble and Thiamine Mononitrate is water soluble.

ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/T...

Here is a quote from their report :

>>> ' The most commonly used forms of thiamin in supplements are thiamin mononitrate and thiamin hydrochloride, which are stable and water soluble [1,12]. '<<<

What I'm interested in finding out is where Roy found the data that says it is 'harmful over time ' as I would like to read it. So far I have not found it, so I hope that Roy posts it.

Art

[Gioc in reply to chartist]

In fact, the first is stable and used in food (mononitrate)and the second is water-soluble (HCL).

But beyond words, if this were not the case then all the others are wrong including wikipedia.

To me that stuff there (thiamine mononitrate) gave me a headache after used for a week and it doesn't work well.

Same thing some Amazon reviews say.

I prefer the centennial thiamine HCL which is very soluble and free of side effects. In my opinion this is standard HDT as per dr. C and it works the rest is an alteration.

[chartist in reply to Gioc]

Good to know, Gio! Thank you for the feedback. I am trying to get the data from Roy, because another forum member started HDT using thiamine mononitrate by mistake, not realizing there were different forms and her husband did quite well on the mononitrate form, but once they realized it was the wrong type, they switched to thiamine HCI. Unfortunately her husband did not do as well as he did on the mononitrate form and since she now knows that thiamine mononitrate is water soluble and would like to put her husband back on it. I just gave a friend thiamine HCI yesterday at 200 mg and he told me he would not take it anymore because it gave him a headache after about a half hour and he said he almost never gets headaches.

We are all different and her husbands experience seems to be the exact opposite of your experience, so if the mononitrate version is harmful, as Roy said it is, I want to be sure she is aware of it and that is why I am asking him for the data that shows that it is harmful, from Roy. I have not been able to find data that confirms what Roy said, so I hope he answers.

Art

[Hidden in reply to chartist]

Art, I posted this earlier. Must not have completed. Here again:

11/19/2017

Dear Roy,

Sorry for my late, but unfortunately I can not speak English well, so it's Dr Erika Trevi who is writing these emails to you.

We don't use benfothiamine because previous trials report it does not enter in the neural cells, that's why it is not used for the diseases which don't affect the Central Nervous System (Bettendorff L.).We administer thiamine cloridrate. For your situation 1 intramuscular injection twice a week (or an oral dose of 4 grams each day, two tablets in the morning and two at lunch time) should bring to the complete regression of the symptoms in 1 or 2 months. As an attached link, you'll find a paper with the possible thiamine side effects.

In another email, I'll send you all my published studies.

Best regards,

Antonio Costantini

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[chartist in reply to Hidden]

Yes, I saw your previous reply Roy, but that letter from Dr. Costantini is referring to Benfotiamine, not Thiamine Mononitrate, which you had said in a reply above in this thread, was " harmful over time". That is the data or link I am looking for that explains why thiamine mononitrate is harmful over time. I have been looking for that data and have not been able to find it yet and was hoping you would post it. Thank you.

Art

[Hidden in reply to chartist]

“I’m loosing my mind…”😅

[Hidden in reply to medvedpeki]

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B1 (thiamine hcl) source

vitaminsbecause.biz/collect...

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[medvedpeki in reply to Hidden]

O thanks for the reply!

Can I spend at least something (I got 5 boxes) or better not?

[Hidden in reply to medvedpeki]

Five boxes of what?

[medvedpeki in reply to Hidden]

5 boxes of B1 as thiamin mononitrate (Vitamatic Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) 500mg, 120 Capsules)

[Hidden in reply to medvedpeki]

I don’t know at what amount would be unhealthy. I would use while waiting for hcl. We’re talking 4g a day.

[medvedpeki in reply to Hidden]

Thanks! I use 2g a day.

[Hidden in reply to medvedpeki]

Basic (B) - (1) 1nstructions. B1 in the form of thiamine hcl is required for HDT (high dose thiamine) therapy.

Regarding thiamine hcl, it is not a cure. It is at its best supporting carbidopa levodopa. Solgar tablets are choke hazard. Find capsules as they are easy swallow.

Doctor Costantini directed:

Early or mild symptoms - 2 grams daily.

Moderate symptoms - 4 grams daily.

Severe symptoms - 6 grams daily.

Divide into two equal doses. Take first dose at breakfast. Take second before lunch.

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Before starting with full dose take a small amount and watch for any allergic reaction.

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