Placebo, the miracle cure

[bassofspades]

So if a placebo works, even temporarily, doesn't that prove that the disease is psychosomatic? Because otherwise, how can it be so? This is for any disease, any placebo.

Let's discuss!!

Any Joe Dispenza fans here?

[park_bear]

Positive expectations have been shown to cause the release of dopamine.* So in the case of Parkinson's, placebo is actually therapeutic.

*for example: researchgate.net/publicatio...

[bassofspades in reply to park_bear]

Cause a release of dopamine from a dopaminergic system that is allegedly incapable of releasing dopamine! In other words it makes something that is broken functional again. See how confusing it is, yet the only way I can justify it is that the disease itself is a placebo too

[park_bear in reply to bassofspades]

For most of us there still is the ability to make some dopamine. I have noticed that upon awakening I am able to move normally for a while and others here have reported this as well. The theory is that some extra dopamine gets stored up while we are sleeping.

[felixned in reply to park_bear]

braintalks.ubc.ca/the-place...

This publication shows that in Parkinson placebo is similar to ldopa treatment

[pdpatient in reply to park_bear]

Yes, parkbear, Neurologists call it the"sleep benefit". It's a little advertised benefit of a good night's sleep for PwP.

[alaynedellow]

I find it very easy to have bad reactions. For example if i think i can't make a gap etc then i dont- alot i believe is own thoughts and channelling them positively. Trying to stay positve is key.

[Somic67]

I would agree with you. PD may be an electrical disconnection caused by lack of aminoacid caused by cronic dysbiosis caused by stress, toxines, bad food, etc. etc.

Neuronal connections are reduced because not needed or usable at all. This at least before medications.

After taking madications it may become much more and worst, primarily due to levodopa dosage itself and carbidopa impact on Vit. B6 in the long term.

[NellieH]

Ad I understand it, placebos affect symptoms (what you feel) but not signs (underlying physiological conditions). health.harvard.edu/mental-h...

[ryzlot]

I take 4 placebos a day for perfect health

JR

[kaypeeoh]

There is a 'dopamine release' when meditating. One of my earliest posts here I asked about meditation. Some said it helped, some said it didn't. I meditated seriously for years before getting sick. Like riding a bike, it's something you don't forget. But I don't see it affecting my hand tremor. But neither does Sinemet.

[condor39]

You are aware that Placebos also have side effects?

[bassofspades in reply to condor39]

Yes that is true!

[condor39]

The other variable is that if you warn of a side effect, “This may cause nausea” - it is more likely to occur.

Hence it is very difficult to assess side effects.

[janers]

It’s telling that the placebo effect has a limited time frame. There seems to be an approval for a while but then it’s back to how it was. I used to think health issues were all in the mind, and with the right meditations and actions anyone could cure themselves of any disease. I found the book of Grace and Grit by Ken Wilber really informative about the limitations of such thinking. I highly recommend it. It’s an amazing read.