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Hello group - So grateful for all the posts and stories that have helped along this journey so far. We’ve never posted but have learned much from the wealth of information!

My husband was diagnosed with CLL in 2011 after WBC count didn’t return to normal range following a brief intestinal infection. He has been on watch & wait for CLL since.

In the meantime, successfully treated for HepC in 2018 (also discovered in routine testing w/o ever having symptoms). Then in the summer of 2020 was diagnosed with Oropharyngeal Squamous Cell Cancer, treated with 33 doses of radiation and three rounds of cisplatin and continues to have No Evidence of Disease at six-month follow ups.

His WBC counts had dropped from the cisplatin, but started climbing back up since then, and in June were in the mid 20’s range. They never had been higher than 27K this whole time so no one was too alarmed, though the count had doubled in 9 months.

Then in mid-July an axillary lymph node suddenly swelled so much it was visible at the edge of his chest. A couple more swelled noticeably within a week. He had already been extremely fatigued for the past couple of months, and was experiencing bone pain in his legs and feet.

We immediately saw the medical oncologist who had treated him for the OPSCC (she treats CLL in another facility and was going to monitor it for him since his hematologist had just retired). She ran LDH which came back at 323, ordered a CT and referred to Hematologist. The CT indicated “concern for Richter’s” so a PET scan was completed. Several nodes with SUVmax >5 and a few >10 prompted biopsy. No Richter’s! But because of additional risk factors it’s time to start treatment. (Platelets & Hemoglobin both ok)

Factors: age 71, unmutated IGHV, NOTCH1 (33%), BRAF, FGFR, MDM2, ETV6, ZAP70+, Trisomy 12, Beta2-microglobulin 5.3, ALC 20, Rai stage II. (TP53 not an issue; negative for 17p deletion.)

He has some minor cardiac blockage; is treated for moderate high blood pressure; has Rx for hypothyroidism as result of radiation to neck; and has been on regular dose of OxyCodone for years because of severe spinal degenerative disc disease.

Treatment recommendations are either Acalabrutinib 2x day or Venetoclax+Obinutuzumab.

We are aware with Acalabrutinib we’d also be seeing cardiac oncologist for monitoring; know about the bleeding risks (we are pretty active outdoors and always run a slightly higher risk of cuts and bruises), and of course skin cancer - especially since we live in Colorado. And we know with V+O there would be much more medical center time upfront, including some overnight stays and possible very uncomfortable days from neutropenia, for example. We are on the fence, weighing pros and cons about both.

He can see the benefits of “powering through” for a definitive time period with a decent possibility of CR, rather than the indefinite return to W&W and continuing risk of progression or transformation. But on the other side, going with Acalabrutinib means we continue to have a pretty normal routine right away, even with a few more visits to the medical center throughout the year.

I guess at this point we would most like to hear if any of his combined factors ring any bells with this community as to why one treatment might outweigh the other. Thank you so much for reading all of this! 🙏🏼

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That your husband has had a very long watch and wait might mean he could achieve a good length remission after V+O, but there's no doubt that his CLL is very active right now. With the complexity of your husband's health history, why don't you register with the CLL Society for their free Expert Access video consultation with a CLL specialist?

cllsociety.org/programs-and...

Neil

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AussieNeilPartnerAdministrator in reply toAussieNeil

PS You'll find the discussion on this post from 5 days ago very relevant: Deciding on a first treatment option - ven+obinutuzumab vs acalabrutinib healthunlocked.com/cllsuppo...

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TheResearchWife in reply toAussieNeil

I appreciate that reference, thank you!

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Skyshark in reply toTheResearchWife

Without the scary numbers.

healthunlocked.com/cllsuppo...

Everything changed yesterday, I found a new report for V+O, it's gained a few months overall and for the all genetic markers as more people that were later joining the trial cross the cut-off date.

For US I believe A+O is available, it's looking quite good and is safer than I+V as A has fewer and less severe side effects. See the recently posted Video.

healthunlocked.com/cllsuppo...

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TheResearchWife in reply toSkyshark

The video information in that link was very helpful, thank you!

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TheResearchWife in reply toAussieNeil

Thank you for the link and suggestion!

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Ross56

Here is a link to an essay on this type of decision, where treatment options have similar efficacy but different care experiences.cllsociety.org/2023/04/deci...

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TheResearchWife in reply toRoss56

This was very helpful! Thanks so much for sharing the link.

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SofiaDeo

If you are in Colorado I recommend you see my specialist at Rocky Mountain Cancer Center, Dr. John Burke. He does research so if you are interested in, say, participating in the MAJIC trial & getting the drugs paid for, he is a participant. He also has other trials, too, if that particular one isn't appealing. RMCC does more CLL research than UCHealth in this region. He also is willing to work with other hem-oncs, overseeing treatment monitored by a local doc in another city. I have done this, I just double check labwork etc is sent to him. There are several offices in the Denver area he sees patients; the research site is in Aurora and I can give you info on hotels, etc. if you are coming in from out of town, just PM me. FYI there may be travel funds available from other non profits, if that is a problem.

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TheResearchWife in reply toSofiaDeo

Thanks for this thoughtful reply. I saw your PM and will write back there, too. Our hem-onc who retired was with RMCC - great place. We’re really fortunate to have multiple options for excellent medical care in the Denver metro area!

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