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Hi,

Diagnosed with SLL and kidney cancer in 2016. CT of lung 1/2018 and PET/CT 3/9/18 from ears to thigh shows lung nodules doubled in size and number in 7 weeks with SUV uptake of 8.8 on the 14 mm nodule. Also 2 thyroid nodules 23 mm and 12 mm with intense FDG uptake. (2014 biopsy of 5mm thyroid nodule determined to be benign with increased lymphocytes). Also 1.7 cm on pelvis. Just wondering if anyone has seen CLL or Sll behave like this because I am hoping for this versus metastic kidney cancer.

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CllcanadaTop Poster CURE Hero

Hi Judy, are they planning a node biopsy?

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Judyanne in reply to Cllcanada

Hi Chris, The surgeon wanted to do a node biopsy but the RCC specialist and I thought best to wait 7 weeks and do followup scan to see if growing which they have in size and number. She is planning to do biopsy of pelvis if mri looks cancerous and if doesn’t look cancerous biopsy the lungs. Response on kidney site is biopsy useless because can get false negative. However, I can avoid the surgery if biopsy is positive. I am concerned now though with how fast growing. Do you think I should go for the node re-section?

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CllcanadaTop Poster CURE Hero in reply to Judyanne

My concern would be a Richter's transformation ...in which case you can't wait 7 weeks... do you know your LDH levels and beta microglobulin ?

I'm not in any way offering a diagnosis... just that I have been through RT and know many others who have also...

SUV of 8.8, is borderline in a new study for a biopsy.

When you refer to nodules do you mean lymph nodes? Sorry I'm unclear ...

~chris

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Judyanne in reply to Cllcanada

Hi Chris,

The 7 weeks have passed. Now going to do mri soon and needle biopsy of pelvis or lung. My ldh is always low, currently 85. Didn’t even think about Richters. Only enlarged node doctor can feel is spleen. Thank you. May need to do node re-section to get good answer.

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Judyanne in reply to Judyanne

What did you mean SUV of 8.8 is borderline in new study for biopsy?

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CllcanadaTop Poster CURE Hero in reply to Judyanne

There was a study recently looking at using PET and specifically SUV levels as a dignostic tool for transformation.. previous studies suggested an SUV on a node greater than 5 should trigger a biopsy, but the new study felt that 10- 12 range had a greater likelihood of transformation...

I will see if I can find the paper...

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Lola69 in reply to Cllcanada

When I relapsed they did a needle biopsy as SUV ON left side of my neck was 7. I call him the SOB!! There was no RS but a local relapsse ..

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CllcanadaTop Poster CURE Hero in reply to Judyanne

RT is very unlikely then, if you are feeling OK.. there is extra nodal.. outside the node Richter's, as in my case... and I presented with high normal LDH... its something to discuss with your hemetologist, who I hope he is in the loop currently...

~chris

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Judyanne in reply to Cllcanada

Thank you. RCC specialist is going to call CLL specialist re: coordination for treatment of 2 different cancers and I will see my hematologist in 10 days and update him. Thanks for mentioning Richters.

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CllcanadaTop Poster CURE Hero in reply to Judyanne

Here is the original paper...

Therefore, an interval increase in the standardized uptake value (SUV) in a nodal adenopathy raises the suspicion for RT, especially if above 5 SUVmax, and should be further investigated for histopathologic correlation. Furthermore, FDG-PET/CT serves the additional purpose of guiding the biopsy by identifying intensely metabolically active nodes that are more likely to demonstrate RT.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

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CllcanadaTop Poster CURE Hero in reply to Judyanne

Oh I know...I'm coordinating two cancers, in about 4 sites...

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Judyanne in reply to Cllcanada

I don’t know how you do it all. I hope being on the other cancer site is helping you. I bet you are probably one of the most knowledgeable ones on the other site too. Thanks for the info.

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CllcanadaTop Poster CURE Hero in reply to Judyanne

Some days I could use a PA😀

No I'm totally ignoring the adenocarcinoma with the hope it will stop metastasising... actually I can't be treated for it at the moment, so no point in worrying about it...

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Lola69 in reply to Cllcanada

My mother had an adeno carcinoma in April 2016. She’s fine.

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CllcanadaTop Poster CURE Hero in reply to Lola69

Thats good... where was it located? how was she treated?

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Lola69 in reply to Cllcanada

She had a uterine cancer stage 3. She had a total hysterectomy oopherectomy Followed by chemo and radiation. She will be 80 in April :)

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CllcanadaTop Poster CURE Hero in reply to Lola69

Mine was colon, that was removed , now its in liver and lungs and the one treatment put me in hospital for a month... so my prognosis is poor.

CLL and secondary cancers are very hard to treat...due to poor immune system.

~chris

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Lola69 in reply to Cllcanada

This saddens me very much. :(

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Lola69

Hello 👋 I have SLL since nov. 2013 we have nodes all over our body but imbruvica made them go away.

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Lizlashley1

I have CLL. My thyroid nodule was cancer so it had to all Be removed. Waiting to find out what the very tiny something in my lung was on my last scan. CLL does beget other cancers. We just have to keep monitoring ourselves. Xxx

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Hope you are well Liz. We are dealing with uncertainty of thyroid nodule too

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