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Highly Accredited Medical Professional Questions Merits of Statin Use - Lifestyle Choices Are Likely More Important

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"Most of the ways we can extend our lives have little to do with pills or even with the health care system. High school dropouts, for example, have average life expectancies about a dozen years shorter than individuals with advanced degrees. A landmark study that linked IRS tax records to death records from the Social Security Administration found that men in the top 1% of income live 14.6 years longer than those in the lowest 1%. For women the difference was 10.1 years. And the effects of income on life expectancy systematically increased between 2001 and 2014.

Perhaps such indicators are why guidance from the American Heart Association and the American College of Cardiology was recently revised to place much stronger emphasis on lifestyle and social determinants of health.

It would be wonderful if a pill could wipe away big threats to our health. But to achieve that goal, we need more than medicine."

Robert M. Kaplan, Ph.D., is a faculty member at Stanford University’s Clinical Excellence Research Center, a former associate director of the National Institutes of Health, former chief science officer for the U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, and author of “More than Medicine: The Broken Promise of American Health” (Harvard University Press, 2019).

Read the complete article by clicking on the link below:

Source: statnews.com/2019/04/03/sta...

Here's a corroborating journal article:

eurekalert.org/pub_releases...

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Myrahjm

Thanks again for your contribution to this site. I read all of your posts.

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sos007
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My pleasure.

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bluepettals2

interesting!

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Adaboo

If we try and talk about statins in The British Heart Foundation we get restricted 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ Nice to see other views 🙂

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sos007
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I have been officially restricted by the BHF due to my logical response to an overly sensitive snowflake poster - 'Heartstar'. What a joke! I have nothing to gain from these forums as I have already resolved my medical issues. I make my posts and respond to posters to try and help them from my experience. BHF have succeeded in cutting off their nose to spite their face. They appear to be run by the government and pharmaceutical companies. I notice a distinct difference between the Cholesterol forum posters and those on BHF - the latter tend to use it as a social platform to chit chat pat each other on the back instead of discussing hard issues with facts.

My restriction is their loss. I don't even care to challenge them - it will save me time.

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Adaboo
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I was restricted too, and others I know of. There is a small group on there that will continually report anyone that has a differing opinion to theirs. I’ve been “ allowed” back in there now, but still not sure what I’m allowed to say 🤷‍♀️ Are we allowed to speak freely here?

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sandybrown
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What is the link between HU and BHF? Who is restricting ? HU? or BHF?

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Adaboo
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The restrictions were from BHF, it’s just another forum on here don’t think there is a link as such 🤔

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Londinium
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So at least 3 people were restricted in the same day/wk?

Wow. 😟

Any others? 🤔 StillConcerned, Concerned, MikePollard, AwfulToad, etc? 👀

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sos007
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THIS IS THE MESSAGE I SENT TO THE BHF ADMINISTRATOR - I HOPE BIG BROTHER DOESN'T DELETE IT BEFORE YOU ALL GET A CHANCE TO READ IT:

I wish to thank you for restricting me. It will save me an enormous amount of my free time, of which I have very little due to my professional career.

I recovered from a triple bypass and 2 angioplasties in 2015 to eventually become completely healthy without the need to take medications of any kind.

I have nothing to gain from your forum and only contributed in order to share the incredible of amount of knowledge I have gained over the last 5 years from my experience and extensive research on cardiovascular health and other fields of health.

Unlike the Cholesterol Forum, your forum does not invite open discussion and debate but seems to be more of a cozy clique of overly sensitive snowflakes who are only seeking online companionship and psychological coddling. What's the point of your forum if the advise is always to 'speak to your doctor'. What many of us have found out is that the established mainstream medical community of doctors are greatly influenced by government constraints and pharmaceutical self-interest.

If doctors knew everything then we wouldn't be in the health care crisis that we are in and we wouldn't have medical errors ranking in the top 5 causes of death in the world. Nor would we have had the introductions of pharmaceuticals that were introduced and resulted in thousands of deaths to due lack of diligence on behalf of the companies that created them.

Those seeking outside the box views from their peers will not find it in the BHF forum especially since it appears the lead administrators are all politically correct millennials who are just happy to live in harmony and not view the world with objective eyes.

I did not violate any of your rules but simply challenged other contributors on their established views in a non-confrontational manner.

I'm not seeking reinstatement to your community but simply providing you feedback so you can perhaps provide a more open forum for free speech and views on healthcare management. My fellow Cholesterol Forum contributors who have also been restricted have much to offer but BHF is not willing to be open minded.

Bon chance mes amis!

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Adaboo
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You have only just joined HU but seem to be familiar, what was your name in here previously??

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Adaboo
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Oh yes my mistake, it was 5 days ago. Welcome to the friendliest forum on here 😁😁

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sandybrown
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What is the link between HU and BHF?

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sos007
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I don't know, but at some point BHF took over the administration of these health forums and we get feeds from BHF posts like we do from the HU cholesterol forum.

Whatever and whoever they are - their forum is not a place for open discussion.

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sandybrown
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Thank you for all your posts, I have learned from every post and response.

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sos007
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Thank you Sandybrown.

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Adaboo
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Hugo, I think that these forums do allow a good debate and not everyone believes the same thing. I don’t think anyone is being a “ false preacher” that’s rude, it insinuates folk are knowingly preaching rubbish, they’re not! There is going to be a government directive now ( hopefully) to make the drug companies release the studies of statins ( which I know you’re concerned about) . All studies are usually released for peer reviewing, seems very strange that after all these years this has still been refused. If they are such a wonder drug why withhold 🤔🤔.

I think until those studies are peer reviewed independently then we can’t really judge what is the best thing to do. Folk in the meantime should carry on what they are doing or talk to their doctor OF COURSE! 🙂

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Adaboo
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Hugo calm down, 🙂. I’ve just said clearly that NONE of us can comment seriously until the government directive comes into force. I don’t see anyone telling anyone what to do on here🤔🤔?? People are only trying to help others who are ASKING for other opinions. “ other opinions” are NOT medical professional opinions and no one is trying to pretend they are either. I really don’t know why your so shouty and annoyed about all this. This thread is about how important lifestyle is which I totally agree with, we all need to change bad habits! It is you who started the nasty comments in here, no one else! Wonder why. Have a good day. 😁. “ disclaimer: I don’t recommend anything except to be respectful “

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Adaboo
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Gee thanks for the applause Hugo 😁😁🥳 we will agree to disagree. I’m not banned from any forum thanks 😁😁.

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Londinium
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Neither am I. 😊

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Londinium
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Hugo hasn't figured 🙄 that this is a public forum and that people usually end up coming to forums AFTER they have seen their doctor, nurse or other clinician, as they now wish to seek and consider OTHER opinions.

This isn't kindergarden - and if people choose to seek or gather opinions on a forum, in a pub, in a cafe, at the local square, or elsewhere - away from their doctor, nurse or anyone else- it is their prerogative, their choice, their right.👏👏

Seems like Hugo wants to prevent people from exercising their right to seek other ideas.

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sos007
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That was exactly my point in my reply to the BHF administrator. I am intentionally ignoring Hugo the Troll - he is not worth my time. Thanks for your continued input.

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Londinium
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Hugo's uncomfortable with adults seeking the opinions of adults. How sad is that?

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Adaboo
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I really don’t understand what his problem is? He came in here being very sarcastic to the OP so I just took it as a personal thing against the OP🤔 think it’s against more than just that now though.

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Londinium
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It was "more than just that" from the start i.e. Hugo looked to see which forums I'm on and then joined ThyroidUK forum to troll/harass me. Imagine, over 102,000 members and over 117,000 posts are on ThyroidUK, but despite all my posts being locked, Hugo sought me and harassed me. And then, when ThyroidUK dealt with Hugo, he then moved to the Cholesterol forum where I also am.

That's unsettling.

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Adaboo
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I think you should report it, it’s kind of creepy 🕷. Least then admin will see if it’s the same IP as another member! 🤭

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If you are referencing my post you will note that everything is in quotation marks with the source clearly cited. I did not take credit for it as my own.

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Londinium
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Some background:

On 8th Sept 2018 Hugo_Raines joined HU (he/she may have other HU pseudonyms too) and on that same day started trolling me (and only me) via my ThyroidUK posts. The ThyroidUK Admin deleted Hugo's trolling of me, and they contacted Hugo about his/her behaviour.

'Hugo' then laid low for a few days.. and then re-surfaced.. on the Cholesterol forum.. to continue trolling.

Ps. One week prior to Hugo joining HU, I had the very same experience from another newly joined HU member who also trolled me (and only me) from their very first day of joining HU via my ThyroidUK posts. And ThyroidUK Admin also deleted their trolling of me, and contacted them about their behaviour.

It's weird, that out of 102,000 members and 117,000 posts on the ThyroidUK forum, this person appeared out of nowhere (or from the BHF forum, where I'd already been trolled across a few posts by a few people)... to troll me on my own ThyroidUK forum posts. And then, after ThyroidUK dealt with him/her, he vanished and reappeared here, just to troll again.

Think about it, how would 'Hugo' even find me on that vast ThyroidUK forum, unless Hugo had already known of me through the BHF forum and gone looking to see which other forums I'm on, just to continue his trolling? And the same applies to the troll of one week earlier who also appeared, out of the blue, on ThyroidUK, just to troll me.

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sos007
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Thank you for your information, I appreciate it.

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