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Prisoner needing liver transplant wasn't taken for hospital appointment, then deteriorated and died

I mentioned just the other day that my last position of employment before taking retirement was that at Cardiff Prison.

Most prisons around the country are visited by local hospital's Liver specialist nurses. Who deal with liver related medical conditions, and are often involved with liver-related alcohol and drug support groups.

It then saddens me to report on this story regarding my old nick: walesonline.co.uk/news/wale...

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Richard

So sad to hear such a story.

I can tell from your post that you would have been fair and caring for those in your charge.

People are in prison to be punished, deter others and importantly, rehabilitate. But not to be neglected and effectively allowed to die.

Someone once said, 'how civilised a society is, will be a reflected by how it treats its prisoners ' maybe you know who said it ?

I hope someone is made to answer for what was allowed to happen to this unfortunate man.

Jim

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How about society looking after its elderly first and educating its young before getting round to molly coddling prisoners.

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That should indeed always come first as a matter of prioritizing no doubt.

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Ah yes, mollycoddling prisoners by giving them basic healthcare.

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I would like you to remember this is a support group which means we care for those who are suffering, equally and without judgment.

Jim

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Well said! LAJ123

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Not that its pointed in any different direction but.."We can judge the level of civilisation in a society by the way it treats its prisoners" is commonly remembered as being said by Winston Churchill. In fact, it was Fyodor Dostoyevsky and the quote is "The degree of civilisation in a society is revealed by entering its prisons."

What Winston Churchill actually said during his speech when he was home secretary was that a society's attitude to its prisoners, its "criminals", is the measure of "the stored up strength of a nation".

I could be mistaken but, I thought Id point that out lol🙂

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I love the Churchill quotes Phoenix.

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🙂

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This is another one of those unfortunate examples of where policies only get changed and reviewed after someone pays the price for it. I always get frustrated at this retroactive style approach.

Its an obvious problem with so many things in the world in general when speaking of regulatory government policies. Especially when it comes to the law, enforcment and corrections departments. The lack of foresight and proactive thinking is a chronic ailment of the justice system in and out of corrections facilities.

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I personally think it's also about choices and life lessons. As you get older and wiser, a person is able to look back on their life as see all the wrong mistakes we all made. Life is about making mistakes and learning from them.

I believe even a person in prison deserves a second chance. Those of us who have been down the alcohol road and who have ended up having that liver transplant, know all about second chances and are so grateful for that gift. This poor fella at Cardiff prison was denied that second chance, not only to be able to repent about he's past misgivings, and learn from his mistakes, but denied the chance of life its self.

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Oh no doubt. I agree fully. My comment to Gizmo was not to suggest I think this fella shouldnt have gotten that.

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What if he had raped and murdered your daughter?

Would you still want him to have a second chance?

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Yes. Because we live in a caring society. "What if's" don't come into it. There are a lot of people in prison today with mental health issues. The prison staff also have a duty of care towards all in mates. Each prisoners wellbeing comes under that duty. Suicide amongst remand prisoners is still very high. Cardiff prison has a very large suicide block, with some inmates being quite inventive in their suicide attempts.

In some respects, l'm glad we nolonger live in the Victorian era. And have the death penalty.

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He was doing 4 years that sentence hardly reflects rape & murder.

We have all made mistakes along the way and appointments should be kept especially the importance mentioned.

Huw

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No l dont.

To be honest no I wouldn’t,but we don’t do the death penalty so that person should receive the same medical care whether I liked it or not

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By the description of him it was clear he was very ill. What’s more he told them he had a specialist appointment. It’s not sure he would have survived but he should at least have been given the care (and possible transplant) he needed.

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Hi Richard

This is distressing to read, that poor man must have suffered greatly.

The fact that he was left to go on suffering even though authorities were aware of his appointment is hard to accept.

They now have his death on their hands due to neglect.

I hope you’re ok too

Jane xx

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All people are equal, regardless!

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Everybody deserves the right to fair treatment, no matter who, where, of what they are. I see too much of the "they don't deserve it" mentality. I do agree with Gizmo, that there are lots of elderly people who need better care, even in my affluent area in South Bucks, so I can see both sides of the coin. Unfortunately, that's just the way of the World, sad though it is.

David

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There are prisoners in jails around the country who are there because they are addicted to drugs/alcohol/both. Mental hhealth services should be giving support and hhelp but this is not happening. Very often their addictions are there because they were trying to self medicate. Until this is addressed prisons will be full of petty criminals . If they got the right interventions they could eventually get clean. Making space for the real villains. Those serving life with no parole are in a different category. Basic medical care yes but a transplant candidate?

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Surely though, if they were refused transplant because they are criminals (in any way whatever) then it would be tantamount to bringing back the death penalty?

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what was he in for?

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Does it make any difference

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