So we now have young people laying in wards who are suffering from the effects of Covid, quite a few of whom who will be overweight and generally unfit, as JVT alluded to the other day. What brainless person in authority thinks it is a good idea to reward the younger age groups with free Taxi rides and slices of Pizza for getting the Jab? You couldn't make it up could you??
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Crazy indeed 🤦🏻♀️
Hello 
The world has gone crazy ! x
It dies seem a wee bit silky and I'll thought out doesn't it?
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I think there was a program on the radio once, "I'm sorry, I'll say that again" was it? just joking
MichaelJHHeart Star
With all the isolation and an amputation thrown in I should get a crate of Moët & Chandon Brut! 🍾🍾🍾
Yes I agree - totally bonkers but what I expect from the idiots running the country!
What concerns me and seems to be unnoticed is the number of children and young people ending up 8n hospital.I check the official Scottish figures daily and hospital admissions are itemised by age. In past 7 days 18 of 0-4 yrs, 8 of 5-14yrs 19 of 15-19yrs. A total of 45 admissions of 0-19 yrs. in one week. There have been 801 since the beginning over 70 weeks which would be around 11 or 12 a week. So the hospital admissions for the very young with this Delta variant seem to have quadrupled. Similarly with 20-24s. It’s hitting the young but nobody seems to be bothered, Let’s hope that bribery works when making them aware of the danger would be more sensible. But we are living with strange modern attitudes.
MilkfairyHeart Star
In some states in America they are offering marijuana.
' Joints for jabs'
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Probably better than Pizza.
IrisCarter• in reply to
Except its notorious for giving people the munchies.
OMG 😱
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😳😱 only in America 🤪
Here in Canada(at least Ontario), companies and restaurants are putting up signs saying, No vaccine? No Service. If that's what it takes to make the anti-vaxxers get their shots, so be it. As someone stated, the rest of us who are immunized with other conditions are being held hostage by the little selfish assholes who won't get vaccinated.
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Well I think that represents a view held by many pretty well Judy, no further words required.
Good point Judy but why go hide?!
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We don't mind a bit of coarse language on here do we?
Niki_• in reply to
What a selfish perspective!! Some people can’t get it because it would cause their health suffer.. such as people with some autoimmune diseases or some heart conditions! No one should be forced to take this against their will! It’s not even fully fda approved. Shame on you!
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Yes, some people can't, but most of the people who are refusing to have it do not have any such problems, they are just being selfish or choose to believe rubbish on social media rather than trained professionals. In any case, their health will certainly suffer if they catch it, and personally I have no sympathy for them.
Niki_• in reply to
The overwhelming majority of the adult population in the UK has decided to be vaccinated.
Why do you persist in posting misinformation?
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The data supplied by this is totally unreliable. This forum in concerned with the real world, not the social media one that is inhabited and influenced by people with no scientific knowledge who think they are overnight experts, or have some kind of social axe to grind. You have a social responsibility to get yourself immunised, this is not about YOU it is about society in general. I am not sure what the situation in the US is (this is a UK based forum) but our hospital wards are currently full of young people like you who have refused to have the vaccine and will have side effects from contracting Covid that may affect them for the rest of their lives. Grow up and get yourself immunised and stop spreading lies.
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Totally simplistic!!!Breaking news for you - some people might just hold a different opinion from you based on their own investigations and their own judgement.
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Ok over to you are you going to expand on this? I presume your investigations have revealed where the experts are going wrong? I am sure JVT would welcome a bit of help.
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Clearly you don't read widely - or just selectively?
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No Mike, we are waiting for you to put some meat on the bones of your fairly controversial statements instead of just sniping from the sidelines with personal comments.
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Oh here we go 🙄
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What is it with these people who think all the pharmaceutical companies are in some sort of conspiracy against us all?? There are some very odd folks around I am afraid, encouraged by sensationalist self styled experts like our friend Malcolm Kendrick.
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Well the ‘big pharma’ companies are there to serve their shareholders and make money. They are not altruistic charities and they do have a lot of previous ‘form’ when it comes to bribing and duping the medical profession - particularly one as poorly managed as the NHS.That is why a lot of people are sceptical.
Claims for efficacy are moving targets (usually downwards) and one suspects that when the data is properly analysed in a couple of years time many ‘facts’ and ‘claims’ will be shown to have been incorrect.
I agree. It will be a very black day when people are compelled to have medical procedures against their will. It is will also be a blow against personal freedoms if Covid passports are introduced. The UK has never been a country where you have to show your ID papers while going about your daily business.
Far safer to take universal precautions: compulsory masks, hand sanitising, thorough and regular cleaning. If you want to go to clubbing for example, its at your own risk - crowds, alcohol, excitement, lots of young people…
I say this as someone who is, like most of us here, vulnerable and double jabbed.
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So how long do you expect these measures will be required for Iris? Ever??
Buddy00• in reply to
I am double jabbed but certainly don’t agree with you. Please explain the need for healthy teenagers to get jabbed. Those Jabbed can still catch and transmit the virus ,the un jabbed can catch and transmit the virus . Yes if they are very overweight or have Heath conditions but that’s the minority. The un jabbed pose no more threat to you than a double jabbed person . So really the selfish arsehole appears to be you.
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In France just the opposite. No entry for the vaccinated. And if you are "immunized" why do you care if others are not?
bantam12• in reply to
"Why do you care if others are not"
Well because they can transmit the virus to everyone else and they will also be taking up ITU space that is needed for patients with other emergencies.
Whomever thought it up is bang on, imo. It's a generation raised on indulgence and prizes for just showing up. Whatever it takes we must indulge once more.
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Well, you might be right Jacko. The mind boggles on the problems we are storing up for the future, but I suppose if that's what it takes to get the selfish ones jabbed then it could be worth it. It is a shame that some people do not have more thought for the rest of society though, IMO.
I saw 👀 kebab for a jab 😆
Well for one that’s not true. .. and two that has nothing to do with what the government link I posted here today lol … take care
If that’s the case then Niki_ I’m sure your doctor would also advise you to encourage the people that can be vaccinated safely around you are; to give you a level of protection through herd immunity 🙂
Even more crazy is that they are offering spliffs as an incentive in one American state!
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That's really cooooooool man...................
I’d change your Doctor then tbh
Niki_• in reply to
Lol my dr is amazing.. under his care I have been able to treat my heart condition and my autoimmune condition 100% naturally .. went from being on a list to have a ablation to completely cleared… without pharmaceutical medicine! Most Dr’s practice sick care not healthcare.. to each their own though. I prefer healing not masking issues.
I’m genuinely interested. Are you talking about a Naturopathic/homeopathic Dr? Or are you talking about a Dr registered with the General Medical Council in the UK?
I consider bribery to be counterproductive. This gets a big thumbs down from me. 👎
• in reply toMountainGoat52
Bribery and coercion?
What - in this wonderful democracy of ours.
More like Boris Yeltsin than Boris Johnson, comrade.
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Would you sooner live in China or Iran then?
It’s embarrassing sometimes to be a Brit
MichaelJHHeart Star
The incidence of a fresh diagnosis of Type 1 diabetes is higher in children and young people who have had CovID, even mildly, than those who have not.
Imperial are doing research at the moment on this - its not surprising as type 1 is an autoimmune condition, possible caused by previous infection
Well said. I am a bit bamboozled with all the replies to this post, which was a bit tongue in cheek to be honest, but I flicked through them all and noticed your reply. Fortunately the majority of people are aware of the importance and will, as usual, carry us over the line despite the selfish and almost deranged opinions and attitudes displayed by the very few, who just do not and never will "get it", either physically or mentally. I think some of these people have filled their heads with so much junk there is no room left for common sense.
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Surprised that yours is not the only opinion as usual?
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Well Mike, in the words of the late great Brian Clough, there are only two opinions, mine and the wrong one, didn't you know?
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Now there WAS a character.
That was from a time when football managers were real people rather than media savvy useless clowns like Southgate.
Don't think Clough would have brought on two young inexperienced substitutes to take such crucial penalties. But he would have told his experienced professionals to 'grow a pair' and do what they were paid to do.
There are quite a few ‘brainless’ people running the Government and the NHS - so you pose a difficult question.
Do you actually watch or listen to any serious information on this subject or do you just rely on social media for your knowledge? You just don't get it do you? Do some research and listen to what the actual experts say. Look at the reply from Pussacat as an example, it is NOT just about YOU, and the long term dangers from catching Covid could be way worse than any side effect, most of which are between peoples ears and do not exist in reality, just in the weird world of social media. It most definitely is people who refuse to have the vaccine who are putting other peoples health in danger and also preventing the total recovery of the country from this nightmare.
Blimey can someone tell me where I need to go to get my Gold Medal for stirring up interest??? I only meant it as a bit of a Sunday morning tongue in cheek comment!!!!
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Unfortunately - and I can't work out whether it is since the 2008 financial crash; since the Brexit vote; or whatever - this is now one totally polarised country.
Or maybe it was just the rise of the internet.
Life was so much better when we all made our own judgements and life choices (no Johnson nanny state); and probably when we all kept our opinions to ourselves.
That is a great idea to stop the NHS getting overwhelmed.Been out in the sun - sorry no treatment for skin cancer.
Broken your leg playing football - your fault **** off.
You drink beer - sorry no treatment you exceed Whitty’s weekly limits.
That would ultimately mean none of us getting treated for anything.
Oh hang on - that IS the post Covid world!!!
Wooodsie• in reply to
Or, no liver transplant unless you stop drinking, no cancer treatment unless you stop smoking, no gastric band unless you lose weight. Don't take it bad, but it IS already happening.
This is not the forum to discuss Pizza issues.....or is it.
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Good point I thought someone would bring it up eventually, it's not really, but then again it sort of is? Eating a poor diet is related - now I not saying the occasional visit from Deliverpoo is a bad thing, but it certainly is when it starts to become a daily event.
1. I never used the word childish. 2. There is now irrefutable evidence that the vaccine is safe and effective 3. I was alluding to the fact that many people seem to rely on social media which most definitely IS full or misinformation and lies.
So let's just get this straight then. Your "Dr" is actually saying that the vaccine (all of them presumably) is in an experimental stage. As in, has not undergone trials and been properly licensed for use, and he is advising ALL of his patients not to have it? Is this guy an actual member of whatever your equivalent of the GMC here in the UK is in the States, or is he some other kind of Dr?
Rhubarb - but than there are some doctors who don't believe in autism & still believe its bad parenting &they are in the UK... & I came against one who when my son had a severe chest infection wouldn't give him antibiotics (another doctor in the practice did & was fuming - the said gp "left" the practice soon after this & another incident. GP's are human & have biases - they are not expert in all fields (that would be impossible) or as up to date as they should be
The NHS does not refuse treatment across the board. Staff work with people to improve their health. If they refuse to lose weight for surgery for example then the surgeon may say no surgery. If they are non complaint to diet/advice for diabetes or any other chronic condition then they will continue to engage until a specific Dr discharges them from clinic.
If they become acutely ill then they get the same treatment as everyone else. Anyone arriving as an emergency gets the treatment they need (within time/resource constraints of course) regardless of whether they are alcoholic, drug using, play dangerous sports, are morbidly obese, or have made stupid choices such as one girl I nursed post surgery who had swallowed calculator batteries for a dare.
This idea of refusing treatment to people because of their choices is obscene and inhumane.
Refusing treatment is different to not continuing to see someone in clinic if they are noncompliant.
Interesting reply it's great this forum. You might argue that we could have reached saturation regarding the number who have got themselves vaccinated? Hopefully the increasing number of people in younger age groups who are now finding themselves very poorly may start to have an influence on those who have chosen not to have the jab, let's hope so. Certainly the Government seems to have realised it's previous mistakes in letting all and sundry walk into the country and let us also hope that this will be rigorously maintained despite the increasing pressure from holiday companies to open the floodgates. I am afraid international travel will have to remain on the back burner for now. However, we have to fave the fact that we cannot go on like this fore ever and will have to live with this for possibly ever. Dare I ask Iris, are you retired? We have to accept that those of us that are are probably affected far less than others and it is very easy to suggest strict measures and to take our eye off the fact that we have to get our economy going in order to be able to fight both the lasting challenge of this Pandemic but also other problems down the line such as climate change which is going to make Covid 19 look like a tea party in years to come.
I was alluding to the fact that some people seem to have an "anti everything" attitude which comes out in many forms including anti Vax. I think the figures speak for themselves, surely you are not suggesting that we wait until 2025? As regards social media closing down these platforms I have to disagree - until individuals are forced to use their actual identity we will continue to have the very real problems caused by anonymous keyboard warriors and dangerous spreading of misinformation which is still rife unfortunately.
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