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lateguitarist profile image

So we now have young people laying in wards who are suffering from the effects of Covid, quite a few of whom who will be overweight and generally unfit, as JVT alluded to the other day. What brainless person in authority thinks it is a good idea to reward the younger age groups with free Taxi rides and slices of Pizza for getting the Jab? You couldn't make it up could you??

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Crazy indeed 🤦🏻‍♀️

Hello :-)

The world has gone crazy ! x

It dies seem a wee bit silky and I'll thought out doesn't it?

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lateguitarist in reply to

I think there was a program on the radio once, "I'm sorry, I'll say that again" was it? just joking

MichaelJH profile image
MichaelJHHeart Star

With all the isolation and an amputation thrown in I should get a crate of Moët & Chandon Brut! 🍾🍾🍾

Yes I agree - totally bonkers but what I expect from the idiots running the country!

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Peileen in reply to MichaelJH

What concerns me and seems to be unnoticed is the number of children and young people ending up 8n hospital.I check the official Scottish figures daily and hospital admissions are itemised by age. In past 7 days 18 of 0-4 yrs, 8 of 5-14yrs 19 of 15-19yrs. A total of 45 admissions of 0-19 yrs. in one week. There have been 801 since the beginning over 70 weeks which would be around 11 or 12 a week. So the hospital admissions for the very young with this Delta variant seem to have quadrupled. Similarly with 20-24s. It’s hitting the young but nobody seems to be bothered, Let’s hope that bribery works when making them aware of the danger would be more sensible. But we are living with strange modern attitudes.

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MichaelJHHeart Star in reply to Peileen

I posted this elsewhere in this long thread:

The incidence of a fresh diagnosis of Type 1 diabetes is higher in children and young people who have had CovID, even mildly, than those who have not.

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In some states in America they are offering marijuana.

' Joints for jabs'

Probably better than Pizza.

Except its notorious for giving people the munchies.

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Gladwyn in reply to Milkfairy

OMG 😱

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I know I was highly amused😂

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Gladwyn in reply to Milkfairy

😂😂😂

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SloopyLJ in reply to Milkfairy

😳😱 only in America 🤪

MichaelJH profile image
MichaelJHHeart Star in reply to Milkfairy

Or "Dope for dopes"!

Here in Canada(at least Ontario), companies and restaurants are putting up signs saying, No vaccine? No Service. If that's what it takes to make the anti-vaxxers get their shots, so be it. As someone stated, the rest of us who are immunized with other conditions are being held hostage by the little selfish assholes who won't get vaccinated.

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lateguitarist in reply to

Well I think that represents a view held by many pretty well Judy, no further words required.

MichaelJH profile image
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Good point Judy but why go hide?!

We don't mind a bit of coarse language on here do we?

Niki_ profile image
Niki_ in reply to

What a selfish perspective!! Some people can’t get it because it would cause their health suffer.. such as people with some autoimmune diseases or some heart conditions! No one should be forced to take this against their will! It’s not even fully fda approved. Shame on you!

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gilreid1 in reply to Niki_

And there lies the problem

lateguitarist profile image
lateguitarist in reply to Niki_

Yes, some people can't, but most of the people who are refusing to have it do not have any such problems, they are just being selfish or choose to believe rubbish on social media rather than trained professionals. In any case, their health will certainly suffer if they catch it, and personally I have no sympathy for them.

Niki_ profile image
Niki_ in reply to lateguitarist

openvaers.com/covid-data

Milkfairy profile image
MilkfairyHeart Star in reply to Niki_

The overwhelming majority of the adult population in the UK has decided to be vaccinated.

Why do you persist in posting misinformation?

Niki_ profile image
Niki_ in reply to Milkfairy

Vaers is not misinformation

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MilkfairyHeart Star in reply to Niki_

All your previous post relating to covid vaccines have been removed by the moderators of this forum.

Niki_ profile image
Niki_ in reply to Milkfairy

Well for one that’s not true. .. and two that has nothing to do with what the government link I posted here today lol … take care

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lateguitarist in reply to Niki_

The data supplied by this is totally unreliable. This forum in concerned with the real world, not the social media one that is inhabited and influenced by people with no scientific knowledge who think they are overnight experts, or have some kind of social axe to grind. You have a social responsibility to get yourself immunised, this is not about YOU it is about society in general. I am not sure what the situation in the US is (this is a UK based forum) but our hospital wards are currently full of young people like you who have refused to have the vaccine and will have side effects from contracting Covid that may affect them for the rest of their lives. Grow up and get yourself immunised and stop spreading lies.

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Niki_ in reply to lateguitarist

The data supplied in the link is 100% reliable .. straight from the government site VAERS! No one should have to set themselves on fire to keep you warm!

This is not a studied or approved vaccine. Trying to bully people into experimenting on themselves is shameful!

If I had known about the misery I suffered from the drugs I had to take for my heart bypass ( sickness and diarrhea for two months and losing weight - which I didn’t need ) I would still have had the bypass because I would probably be dead now . This applies to the vaccination as well. Either that or possibly months of struggling with COVID after effects - if you don’t die of it that is

MichaelJH profile image
MichaelJHHeart Star in reply to Niki_

Before CovID people around the world were having events such as heart attacks, blood clots, miscarriages, etc. These included a high percentage of (allegedly) fit and jetny people. Now it seems that a similar event in the weeks following vaccination it must be a vaccine!

I accept that a very very small number have been adversely affected by the vaccine but these bizarre extrapolations are useful to no one. Just look at the number who have died of CovID and get real!

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Dazaf in reply to lateguitarist

Why Selfish? it makes no difference to anyone other than themselves. The Vaccinated can still carry and pass on Covid! for the under 25's the risk from the vaccine is higher than the disease, so who is being selfish here!

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lateguitarist in reply to Dazaf

Do you actually watch or listen to any serious information on this subject or do you just rely on social media for your knowledge? You just don't get it do you? Do some research and listen to what the actual experts say. Look at the reply from Pussacat as an example, it is NOT just about YOU, and the long term dangers from catching Covid could be way worse than any side effect, most of which are between peoples ears and do not exist in reality, just in the weird world of social media. It most definitely is people who refuse to have the vaccine who are putting other peoples health in danger and also preventing the total recovery of the country from this nightmare.

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Totally simplistic!!!Breaking news for you - some people might just hold a different opinion from you based on their own investigations and their own judgement.

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lateguitarist in reply to

Ok over to you are you going to expand on this? I presume your investigations have revealed where the experts are going wrong? I am sure JVT would welcome a bit of help.

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Clearly you don't read widely - or just selectively?

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No Mike, we are waiting for you to put some meat on the bones of your fairly controversial statements instead of just sniping from the sidelines with personal comments.

You make many assumptions there about why people are choosing not to take the vaccine. The delivery of medical treatment here (in the UK) is dependent upon an individual giving their informed consent. I speak as a medical professional (now retired). An individual should receive evidence based information and give their consent freely. I find it unpleasant that you label unvaccinated people as childish, selfish liars just because their decision differs to yours.

1. I never used the word childish. 2. There is now irrefutable evidence that the vaccine is safe and effective 3. I was alluding to the fact that many people seem to rely on social media which most definitely IS full or misinformation and lies.

Ah, ok, perhaps I misunderstood your messaging 🧐…..but you said these people should ‘grow up’

Also….trials of these vaccines won’t finish until 2023 and the data will be reported in 2025. It is too early to say the evidence is irrefutable.

Social media opinion goes both ways; much pro-vaccine stuff out there and the platforms are definitely closing down ‘anti’ information.

Some of these people may be better educated and informed than you assume.

I was alluding to the fact that some people seem to have an "anti everything" attitude which comes out in many forms including anti Vax. I think the figures speak for themselves, surely you are not suggesting that we wait until 2025? As regards social media closing down these platforms I have to disagree - until individuals are forced to use their actual identity we will continue to have the very real problems caused by anonymous keyboard warriors and dangerous spreading of misinformation which is still rife unfortunately.

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Boo_boo1 in reply to Niki_

Oh here we go 🙄

What is it with these people who think all the pharmaceutical companies are in some sort of conspiracy against us all?? There are some very odd folks around I am afraid, encouraged by sensationalist self styled experts like our friend Malcolm Kendrick.

in reply to lateguitarist

Well the ‘big pharma’ companies are there to serve their shareholders and make money. They are not altruistic charities and they do have a lot of previous ‘form’ when it comes to bribing and duping the medical profession - particularly one as poorly managed as the NHS.That is why a lot of people are sceptical.

Claims for efficacy are moving targets (usually downwards) and one suspects that when the data is properly analysed in a couple of years time many ‘facts’ and ‘claims’ will be shown to have been incorrect.

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lovetogarden in reply to Niki_

First, autoimmune patients are encouraged to get the vaccine, but sadly it might not be as protective for them due to their meds. The folks not willing to get the vaccine to help protect these people and other vulnerable folks are the selfish ones. (I’m an autoimmune patient, I’m vaccinated & have had antibody tests to check my levels, sadly, not good. The ppl around me are vaccinated and help protect me.)

Second, the vaccines will soon be fully approved by the US FDA. Probably within the next month or so.

Third, VAERS… is a collection of data about any medical event that has happened in the time after someone has been vaccinated. This is meant to see if there are things that should be investigated. It does not mean that all the incidents reported in VAERS were caused by the vaccine. It’s just gathering data that may or may not be relevant.

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Niki_ in reply to lovetogarden

I have a autoimmune disease and was advised by my doctor to not get this vaccine .. see how this works? .. different people different doctors.. this vaccine causes massive inflammation in a lot of patients which would be a dumpster fire for me.. if the fda gave full approval for this vaccine that would tell me all I need to know about the fda because that would be incredibly unethical.

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lovetogarden in reply to Niki_

Then you are one of the folks that the rest of us are getting the vax for. To protect those who can’t take it because of other conditions. Please stay safe and be well.

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Boo_boo1 in reply to Niki_

If that’s the case then Niki_ I’m sure your doctor would also advise you to encourage the people that can be vaccinated safely around you are; to give you a level of protection through herd immunity 🙂

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Niki_ in reply to Boo_boo1

Actually no. He says this vax is a experimental at this point and he doesn’t advise any of his patients to get it at this time.

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Boo_boo1 in reply to Niki_

I’d change your Doctor then tbh

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Niki_ in reply to Boo_boo1

Lol my dr is amazing.. under his care I have been able to treat my heart condition and my autoimmune condition 100% naturally .. went from being on a list to have a ablation to completely cleared… without pharmaceutical medicine! Most Dr’s practice sick care not healthcare.. to each their own though. I prefer healing not masking issues.

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IrisCarter in reply to Niki_

I’m genuinely interested. Are you talking about a Naturopathic/homeopathic Dr? Or are you talking about a Dr registered with the General Medical Council in the UK?

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lateguitarist in reply to Niki_

So let's just get this straight then. Your "Dr" is actually saying that the vaccine (all of them presumably) is in an experimental stage. As in, has not undergone trials and been properly licensed for use, and he is advising ALL of his patients not to have it? Is this guy an actual member of whatever your equivalent of the GMC here in the UK is in the States, or is he some other kind of Dr?

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mumsastudent in reply to Niki_

Rhubarb - but than there are some doctors who don't believe in autism & still believe its bad parenting &they are in the UK... & I came against one who when my son had a severe chest infection wouldn't give him antibiotics (another doctor in the practice did & was fuming - the said gp "left" the practice soon after this & another incident. GP's are human & have biases - they are not expert in all fields (that would be impossible) or as up to date as they should be

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bantam12 in reply to Niki_

Having an autoimmune disease doesn't prevent you having the vaccine, literally thousands of us have had it with no problems, I have 2 autoimmune diseases and that makes it even more important to get protected.

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IrisCarter in reply to Niki_

I agree. It will be a very black day when people are compelled to have medical procedures against their will. It is will also be a blow against personal freedoms if Covid passports are introduced. The UK has never been a country where you have to show your ID papers while going about your daily business.

Far safer to take universal precautions: compulsory masks, hand sanitising, thorough and regular cleaning. If you want to go to clubbing for example, its at your own risk - crowds, alcohol, excitement, lots of young people…

I say this as someone who is, like most of us here, vulnerable and double jabbed.

So how long do you expect these measures will be required for Iris? Ever??

Until vaccination rates are as high as possible while respecting individual freedoms. Testing for all entries into the UK, daily lateral flow for 10 days after entry. Isolation if testing positive and identification of strain. If strain is new then contact tracing and isolation for contacts.Contact tracing to remain.

New strains in UK: local daily lateral flow tests and return to universal precautions for that region. No increase in rates back to normal.

Attend mass events at own risk.

Covid insurance for attending mass events to pay NHS a standard amount e.g. £15k (£1.5kcost for an ITU bed for one day)?

Obviously just spitballing.

Interesting reply it's great this forum. You might argue that we could have reached saturation regarding the number who have got themselves vaccinated? Hopefully the increasing number of people in younger age groups who are now finding themselves very poorly may start to have an influence on those who have chosen not to have the jab, let's hope so. Certainly the Government seems to have realised it's previous mistakes in letting all and sundry walk into the country and let us also hope that this will be rigorously maintained despite the increasing pressure from holiday companies to open the floodgates. I am afraid international travel will have to remain on the back burner for now. However, we have to fave the fact that we cannot go on like this fore ever and will have to live with this for possibly ever. Dare I ask Iris, are you retired? We have to accept that those of us that are are probably affected far less than others and it is very easy to suggest strict measures and to take our eye off the fact that we have to get our economy going in order to be able to fight both the lasting challenge of this Pandemic but also other problems down the line such as climate change which is going to make Covid 19 look like a tea party in years to come.

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Buddy00 in reply to

I am double jabbed but certainly don’t agree with you. Please explain the need for healthy teenagers to get jabbed. Those Jabbed can still catch and transmit the virus ,the un jabbed can catch and transmit the virus . Yes if they are very overweight or have Heath conditions but that’s the minority. The un jabbed pose no more threat to you than a double jabbed person . So really the selfish arsehole appears to be you.

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dandydemon in reply to Buddy00

Being double jabbed reduce s your chances of catching and transmitting the virus, making you less likely to spread it. This means less circulating virus, and less variant development. On a personal note, my disabled Mum caught the virus 4 weeks ago from an unvaccinated young carer . She died two weeks ago. She wasn't overweight, she did have health conditions. She wasn't just a number, an acceptable loss, she was a person.

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bantam12 in reply to Buddy00

The point is how it effects people if they do catch it. Those who are vaccinated are more likely to have mild symptoms treatable at home whereas those unvaccinated will more likely end up in ITU with serious symptoms.

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MichaelJHHeart Star in reply to bantam12

The incidence of a fresh diagnosis of Type 1 diabetes is higher in children and young people who have had CovID, even mildly, than those who have not.

Imperial are doing research at the moment on this - its not surprising as type 1 is an autoimmune condition, possible caused by previous infection

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RaraAvis in reply to

In France just the opposite. No entry for the vaccinated. And if you are "immunized" why do you care if others are not?

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bantam12 in reply to RaraAvis

"Why do you care if others are not"

Well because they can transmit the virus to everyone else and they will also be taking up ITU space that is needed for patients with other emergencies.

Whomever thought it up is bang on, imo. It's a generation raised on indulgence and prizes for just showing up. Whatever it takes we must indulge once more.

Well, you might be right Jacko. The mind boggles on the problems we are storing up for the future, but I suppose if that's what it takes to get the selfish ones jabbed then it could be worth it. It is a shame that some people do not have more thought for the rest of society though, IMO.

Hooray for social consciousness guys. I survived my "event" and don't want bloody Covid to get me either. Proudly double jabbed, 1 before and 1 after and protecting a husband with prostate cancer who is also double jabbed. Son and daughter in law also double jabbed. Hooray for common sense. I can see my Mum in her Care home who is also double jabbed as are all her support team. I work in the NHS and am proud to shout GET JABBED. These vaccines are life savers no transactional considerations necessary if you want yourself and those you value to keep getting through this horrible illness that has killed too many worldwide already and is not done yet.

Well said. I am a bit bamboozled with all the replies to this post, which was a bit tongue in cheek to be honest, but I flicked through them all and noticed your reply. Fortunately the majority of people are aware of the importance and will, as usual, carry us over the line despite the selfish and almost deranged opinions and attitudes displayed by the very few, who just do not and never will "get it", either physically or mentally. I think some of these people have filled their heads with so much junk there is no room left for common sense.

in reply to lateguitarist

Surprised that yours is not the only opinion as usual?

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lateguitarist in reply to

Well Mike, in the words of the late great Brian Clough, there are only two opinions, mine and the wrong one, didn't you know?

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Now there WAS a character.

That was from a time when football managers were real people rather than media savvy useless clowns like Southgate.

Don't think Clough would have brought on two young inexperienced substitutes to take such crucial penalties. But he would have told his experienced professionals to 'grow a pair' and do what they were paid to do.

I saw 👀 kebab for a jab 😆

Even more crazy is that they are offering spliffs as an incentive in one American state!

in reply to Spangle14

That's really cooooooool man...................

I consider bribery to be counterproductive. This gets a big thumbs down from me. 👎

in reply to GWP1952

Bribery and coercion?

What - in this wonderful democracy of ours.

More like Boris Yeltsin than Boris Johnson, comrade.

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lateguitarist in reply to

Would you sooner live in China or Iran then?

It’s embarrassing sometimes to be a Brit

Simples. No reason for no jab = no NHS treatment for covid.

The NHS refuses treatment to people who won't help themselves, e.g. lose weight, stop smoking, stop drinking etc.

in reply to Wooodsie

That is a great idea to stop the NHS getting overwhelmed.Been out in the sun - sorry no treatment for skin cancer.

Broken your leg playing football - your fault **** off.

You drink beer - sorry no treatment you exceed Whitty’s weekly limits.

That would ultimately mean none of us getting treated for anything.

Oh hang on - that IS the post Covid world!!!

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Wooodsie in reply to

Or, no liver transplant unless you stop drinking, no cancer treatment unless you stop smoking, no gastric band unless you lose weight. Don't take it bad, but it IS already happening.

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IrisCarter in reply to Wooodsie

The NHS does not refuse treatment across the board. Staff work with people to improve their health. If they refuse to lose weight for surgery for example then the surgeon may say no surgery. If they are non complaint to diet/advice for diabetes or any other chronic condition then they will continue to engage until a specific Dr discharges them from clinic.

If they become acutely ill then they get the same treatment as everyone else. Anyone arriving as an emergency gets the treatment they need (within time/resource constraints of course) regardless of whether they are alcoholic, drug using, play dangerous sports, are morbidly obese, or have made stupid choices such as one girl I nursed post surgery who had swallowed calculator batteries for a dare.

This idea of refusing treatment to people because of their choices is obscene and inhumane.

Refusing treatment is different to not continuing to see someone in clinic if they are noncompliant.

There are quite a few ‘brainless’ people running the Government and the NHS - so you pose a difficult question.

Blimey can someone tell me where I need to go to get my Gold Medal for stirring up interest??? I only meant it as a bit of a Sunday morning tongue in cheek comment!!!!

in reply to lateguitarist

Unfortunately - and I can't work out whether it is since the 2008 financial crash; since the Brexit vote; or whatever - this is now one totally polarised country.

Or maybe it was just the rise of the internet.

Life was so much better when we all made our own judgements and life choices (no Johnson nanny state); and probably when we all kept our opinions to ourselves.

This is not the forum to discuss Pizza issues.....or is it.

Good point I thought someone would bring it up eventually, it's not really, but then again it sort of is? Eating a poor diet is related - now I not saying the occasional visit from Deliverpoo is a bad thing, but it certainly is when it starts to become a daily event.

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