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Clinically extremely Venerable

Walking-Tall-99 profile image
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Hi All

Hope that your all safe

Looking for some advice about the latest Government Guidelines around people with heart conditions

It seems that they are NOT on the government “at risk”

list during this lockdown

My employer refused to accept my last shielding letter from my GP

They are insisting that Heart Patients down come into

Clinical extreme Venerable groups

Also they will only except a letter from the Government, not GP, saying that I have to shield

Unfortunately where I work social Distancing and masks are a joke and people don’t take it seriously, including our managers

Any idea how to get the letter from the Government please

Hope this makes sense

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Maisiemay13 profile image
Maisiemay13

Where I work the people that needed to shield got a text on Thursday morning

Walking-Tall-99 profile image
Walking-Tall-99

Thanks again

But it seems corporate management don’t recognise that their employees have underlying issues

All they want is everyone not say anything, but don’t want to any responsibility towards the pandemic

Limited responsibilities but maximum returns 💴💴

The way of the world now really

sturon profile image
sturon

I would discuss this with your GP. If they feel you should not work then they can always sign you off sick.

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francesw47

I was included on the shielding list as a result of the GPs selecting those who they consider extremely clinically vulnerable. That was about 2 - 3 weeks after the start of the shielding programme. Had a text letter from DHSC on Wednesday evening - email with same. The shielding list had been retained - Gvt did warn they were doing that. I call this shielding-lite. Its advisory, but letter was clear - don't go out, don't go to work, don't go to shops etc etc. but do go for a walk or other exercise and bubble up with another household if you live alone. Its advisory only, as first shielding process was. I think your only way round this is to ask your GP to put you on the shielding list. I;m not sure what your employment rights are if you are shielded - ie do you get paid/are you asked to use up annual leave for shielding. Can you work from home? See if you can get an emergency apt to speak to a GP asap, particularly if you are concerned that your workplace is not COVID safe.

Fenlotted profile image
Fenlotted

I have also received a letter via email

Everyoung profile image
Everyoung

Hello

It is a difficult time and have had a battle with my employer also to get the proof re vulnerability. Luckily I did receive an email on Thursday from the government to show my employer. I have heart and lung disease so looking at what you are saying I may not have been in the extremely vulnerable for my heart condition alone. It’s a very difficult time but I would get my union involved if you are in one. Good luck

I was wait for my AVR before the 1st lockdown I didnt have a shielding letter but my work were very good and accepted a letter from my GP. I work with disabled children so no social distancing. Since then I've had my op ànd an 3 months post op. I'm assuming I'm no longer in the vulnerable group and was planning on going back to work in a couple of weeks on a phased return. Im still waiting for some results and be discharged and my family think i should stay off. Its a very difficult time for everyone and some of the rules are so confusing. Im lucky my work are very understanding.

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tapfoot in reply to

I hope you have a safe return to work. I'm a supply teacher, diagnosed with severe aortic stenosis in January, with AVR op classed as urgent. If it weren't for first lockdown and loss of work, I'd have had to teach till the end of summer term as my GP said it was fine to carry on as normal. I had AVR end of July and just started picking up occasional supply days 3 weeks ago. All but one of the classes have had room to distance and in the same 'bubble'. In that class, no anti-bac wipes for desks and hands, and paper resources had to be used. Ah and no chair for the teacher. Two new students arrived during the lesson as class lists not settled yet, followed by adults looking for them. It really wasn't safe, covid-wise. I hope your school will give you more consideration than this one had for me. It also reminded me of how much carrying teachers have to do. Boxes of folders, resources bag and general movement left me exhausted by the end of the day. Take care of yourself and respect for carrying on in this strange profession after such a traumatic op.

in reply to tapfoot

Omg that sounds horrendous. I had my op end of July too but had a few problems. I also lost my Aunt just after op and more recently my mum which has all hindered my recovery. Like most people I just want to stay safe and get back to "normal "

Stay safe and look after yourself

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tapfoot in reply to

So sorry for the loss of your aunt and your mum. That’s so hard to have gone through at such a fragile time for you. Stay safe too. Best wishes.

Walking-Tall-99 profile image
Walking-Tall-99

Thanks for all your kind input and sharing your difficulties

There seems to be a disconnect between “actual information” and “factual details”

From employers

I did email my GP for help and support, unfortunately all I got back was a text message from the surgery

Maybe this link can help someone

But again the “government policy” for “heart attack” patients is that they are NOT

Clinically Extremely Venerable anymore

gov.uk/government/publicati...

Please be safe especially 🙏🏽

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Rose54 in reply to Walking-Tall-99

Hi

I am in same position as you

Last time clinically vulnerable this time not

Spoke to my GP who referred me to same guidelines on DWP website and said this is the guidelines thay follow

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lisburb

Morning. I received my e mail very early thursday morning. Have a chat with your GP and they will be able to sign you off sick. It does annoy me somewhat that some employers do not give a fig about their staff. I lost my job back in August, after being furloughed for 6 months. I am in a position where I was about to semi retire anyway and had things in place. I have heard many stories from friends who have had to go back in to work, when they have done a job from home more than satisfactorily for 5 months and the work places are not covid safe. One person told me its the younger members of staff they just dont't seem to care/bother/understand what social distance means and is for. Everyone I know who was in this bracket last time stayed safe and as they are vulnerable they know what to do. Its the people out there who do not realise they are at risk, who are the ones who are becoming seriously ill and dying. Having been in ICU once in my life, and now fully recovered, I have no intention of going back, so will for once in my life, do as I am told.

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shorttail

I would think it good news you are no longer considered vulnerable. It could be this time around they have learnt much more about covid and certain conditions have been found not so vulnerable as first thought.

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Carealot

I’m wondering if the refusal to class heart disease patients as clinically extremely vulnerable is because there are so many of us. To provide us with a letter could ultimately impact on the economy as most would have to avoid going in to work. It has been shown that the heart is affected by Covid due to blood clotting etc. I’m retired so work not an issue but not getting supermarket delivery is. I’m just so sorry that so many of us are left with this level of uncertainty and ultimately, stress.

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Prada47

HSE: Information about health and safety at workhse.gov.uk

Just give them a ring they will be very helpful and should they walk in and see anyone flouting covid rules they will prosecute.

better link hse.gov.uk/contact/

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Dingledaw profile image
Dingledaw

'Venerable' .. If only!

Chickenlou profile image
Chickenlou

We expected my fiancé to be on the shielded/extremely clinically vulnerable list in March as he was only 6 weeks after a triple bypass, has AFib, mild COPD, asthma and recently diagnosed with a lung nodule ... but he wasn’t on the list and was just advised he was vulnerable.

It didn’t make any difference to him to be honest, as he was off work anyways due to the bypass, but I think this shows that heart patients don’t automatically class as extremely vulnerable even with additional health problems.

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Andy_c

Hello Walking-Tall-99

I was told to shield at the end of April following a HA and 2 stents, i had a letter via email last Friday advising me to shield again during this lock down period.

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