Just put my details into the mesa calculator regarding heart events with calcium score and was wondering if any clever people on here could read my percentile for me..Is 91 bad?
Just checking out the MESA Calculator - British Heart Fou...
Just checking out the MESA Calculator
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Hi Rob, if you have already had a heart issue then this calculator won’t help you as it was made using an average of people who hadn’t had any heart issues previously.
I've not had a heart attack YET what I'm trying to avoid.But looking at One of ivors podcasts where he mentions using the mesa calculator. There's another one on there where you put your systolic number in and hdl etc and gives you a percentage risk
Am I doing it wrong then?
He's bringing out a new film with evidence of slowing down the progression of heart disease through keto and I'm all for it..As he puts it,Eseltynes grainy pics from many years ago of reversed heart disease are a load of old rubbish. And that he will show with new uptodate data and personal accounts with pictures of people with heart disease having it reversed or stopped through a keto way of eating
I know what one I will be choosing to believing Adaboo
But it has a box that is clearly there to put your cac score in.
That's what I did
Apologies Rob I thought you already had heart problems and I know the calculations were for a symptomatic people. and I presumed you had symptoms. Totally agree with low carb lifestyle. It seems to be working for me so far.
Rob do you have Facebook? There is a page on there with all the info you probably want and new studies on statins etc. Really interesting if you want to learn more. It’s heart problem based. I can PM the page to you if your interested
yes please Adaboo if you don't mind?I do have heart disease and one stent in my LAD but thought the box was there to put your cac score in if you had one?And I do,so I put it in and that's what came up!Just looking for some feedback.
Course I don’t mind Rob, I will copy the link and pm it to you. It’s run by a guy who had a heart attack and has got himself fit again naturally. Loads of good posts on there though by people just like us who are looking for answers. I’ll send it.
Exactly Adaboo
People like us who are just simply looking for answers, that could help us extend our own lives
Abdaboo
Could you post these links on the forum for everyone to see?
In the the past Milkfairy anything I’ve posted that may be slightly controversial or different thinking to taking statins and Mediterranean diet I’ve ended up being ganged up on, slated and reported, which you know! Other people who have been desperate for knowledge and did their own research were actually hounded until they left HU altogether.
I don’t post on here anymore because of this as it’s not been worth my stress. I have spoken to Rob a long time ago though so I know his thirst for knowledge is similar to my own. So I’m sorry no I won’t post the link here so you can join the page and again jump on everyone that suggests anything other than statins and the med diet. I respect your opinions but they don’t match this page at all.
Apologies to everyone who may be looking for more answers, but I’m not prepared to be hounded again.
I also question everything. I do not ' blindly ' follow anything posted including statins and the Mediterranean diet.
I have included links to Prof Tim Spectors research regarding the biome which suggests diets have to be tailored to an individual.
Please see the link I posted regarding Dr Dr Scott Murray earlier
I find it curious that often people use personal attacks as a way of justifying their views when they differ from others.
If you say you respect my opinions why make a personal attack on me?
I have no intention whatsoever of going on any FB group page. Life to be honest is too short.
However for authenticity I would suggest there should be nothing to stop you sharing the link with others openly on the forum.
In the community guidelines people are asked not to post extreme lifestyle changes. These include suggesting people give up certain medications without discussion with their medical team or extreme diets which could affect someone adversely. The fact you are not willing to share these links on the forum suggests they fall outside the guidelines!
Can I please get the link as well. I have had one visit with a cardiac nurse since my stent 4/2018 and have very little info about my condition but need to be able to help myself.
Hi MyJinksy
Have you called the BHF helpline and spoken to one of the Cardiac nurses?
They are a very useful resource
bhf.org.uk/informationsuppo...
Yes, I spoke to one quite a while ago, she was lovely. I did not have any further information to give her, so I went to my GP, and was seen by a locum, and when I ask about my info, she advised me to see my regular GP. Who has retired.
I feel like I am wasting their time.
Have you been offered Cardiac Rehabilitation at all?
You might be interested in this article about Dr Scott Murray the past President of the British Association Cardiac Prevention and Rehabilitation BACPR .
diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/sco...
There is alot of conflicting and confusing advice about.
I am wary of any ' gurus' advice that comes with a link to a book etc to buy.
I am also wary of the food manufacturers and drug companies motivation too.
in reply to Adaboo
May I humbly ask for the facebook link, too, please?
Would be much appreciated.
Thank you. 
Please could you send me the Facebook link - it would be much appreciated. Thank you.
I would appreciate the link too please.
Can you message me as well with links. Thanking you.
I’m following this thread with great interest. Please Adaboo can you PM me the link for Facebook as well. Thanks in advance.
MichaelJHHeart Star
The calcium score of 174 falls into the moderate category. This in someone with no cardiac history and not on statins would put them at high risk of a heart attack. Having had a blocked LAD and stents you are probably on statins. Besides reducing cholesterol statins reduce irritation, often a precursor to plaque formation, and stabilise plaque. The process of stabilisation increases the calcium score making the number far less meaningful. Where arteries are blocked the level of blockage can only be reduced by mechanical means, i.e. stents or bypassing.
Make the lifestyle changes and take the prescribed medication. And stop worrying.
There's two sides to statins Michael and ever increasing evidence to go with it.
Of course I'm going to having worries when I have young children to think of and have MVA troubling me with heart disease in the background.
Bit of a flipant comment to make really to tell me to stop worrying!
I will look and find the answer's to the questions I need wherever I can find them if it can go some way to helping me understand what I can do to live longer.
And I've already made the lifestyle changes.You have had many chats with me Michael so would be aware of that.
There's a lot of people on here that think Ivor Cummings is all hot air
Fact is he is showing true uptodate results that matter now
Not some old cardiologist still hanging onto Netflix movie and he's plant based diet.
Hi Rob,
One thing for sure is that heart disease is complicated!
Just because we are at risk of something doesn't mean it's our destiny.
Stress and anxiety does us heart patients no good at all.
Many of us further through our journey of heart disease recognise this issue and comments are made through experience and with the best intentions.
In the the past Milkfairy anything I’ve posted that may be slightly controversial or different thinking to taking statins and Mediterranean diet I’ve ended up being ganged up on, slated and reported, which you know! Other people who have been desperate for knowledge and did their own research were actually hounded until they left HU altogether.
I don’t post on here anymore because of this as it’s not been worth my stress. I have spoken to Rob a long time ago though so I know his thirst for knowledge is similar to my own. So I’m sorry no I won’t post the link here so you can join the page and again jump on everyone that suggests anything other than statins and the med diet. I respect your opinions but they don’t match this page at all.
Apologies to everyone who may be looking for more answers, but I’m not prepared to be hounded again.
in reply to Adaboo
I have been given some outright nasty comments on this hub as much as other posters likely have been (as I have seen happen).
There are some "conservative" types that only "approve" their own, but not anything other than his. . .
it has to be "his way or high way, get out now if you cannot politely conform" type that exist on this Hub.
Tolerance is the key.
I often wonder if they realise they could be suffering from some type of underlying depression, possibly, known to happen to Cardiac patients. Irritability is a hallmark.
Please send me the link via PM if you wouldn't mind?
I have seen loads of FE's stuff. Some I do like, some I don't,
Always open to modify my lifestyle based on the newer data!
Rob being in the 91st percentile means that for people of your age, 90% have less calcium in their coronary arteries.
Your score suggests you have a moderate risk of a heart attack but this is a mute point as you've already had a HA and stent.
If all the calcium was in the arteries where the stent was fitted you should take some comfort that it has been treated and just try to do all you can to prevent any more blockages from forming.
Before my stent 3 years ago I think I was in the 95th percentile😊
As an aside, I'm a big fan of Ivor Cummings and have been following a low carb diet for a while but I'm not sure if all the animal protein is good for you so I've switched to a more vegetarian based diet.
At the end of the day I have eaten meat and dairy all my life and ended up with heart disease in my 50's so maybe in my case the animal products are not a good idea but who knows.
The dietary advice is so confusing, especially as a lot of the studies are funded by the food industry which like big pharma have a vested interest.
Thank you so much for your very informative explanation regarding my post. I haven't actually had a HA yet may I add.I had that blockage and stent procedure and that's where I'm at now.The percentage side of things isn't great the way you described it,especially as I considered myself fit compared to a lot of other people I know.
As for dairy mmmm I've actually just started eating it again along with things like cheese and full fat yougurt after reading a lot of Ivor Cummings stuff
But after what you have said I'm thinking again. Like you said it's a nitemare to know what to believe?I am at the point of trying keto at the moment and you probably know that's meat and dairy . maybe I'm making things worse?I just don't know,but it has to be better than refined carbs and sugar.
Hi Rob, your right it is a nightmare knowing what to eat for your health. I too am a big fan of Ivor Cummings and was following a low carb diet but after watching the Game Changers, Forks over knives and What the health movies I agree with a lot of what they are saying as well especially when a lot of studies that support meat and dairy are financed by those industries.
One thing that Ivor is correct about though is that it is the inflammation that drives the disease so I've decided to eat a whole food diet that cuts out all the crap processed carbohydrates, sugar and vegetable oils and eat real foods with a low glycemic load along with a bit of fish and dairy.
In regard to game changers there is so much out there that debunks it.Infact ivor himself just did a radio talk with that guy from the states and points out many lies within the film.So no I'm not going vegan.
So when you say real food do you mean meats? How much chicken etc do you consume over a month for example?
But I'm really finding some of the information just mind-boggling
Still concerned can I pm you
Rob there is a Low carb community here on HU plus a cholesterol forum. Sos007 is a moderator on the cholesterol community and knows loads!
(He won’t post in the BHF anymore either because of the “ welcome” he gets 🙄)
You can talk normally on the Low carb and cholesterol forums too. 😁😁
The question I always have is how low is low carb? I am Type 1 diabetic and in my teens - forties was on 250gm CHO per day. I then started winding down and am now on 120 - 130gm. I have been told by some, including diabetes consultants, that this is low carb. Typical Type IIs are on 80 - 100gm per day. I have seen various figures as low as 20gm but have seen some bizarre (the only word for it) calculations where people eat about 30gm and suggest this actually equates to 10 - 15gm! So how low is low?
My better half goes to 20gms or lower when she is cutting for a competition and finds it incredibly hard to get through the day due to fatigue. But then she's doing it for a reason at that given time.After the comp she goes back to normal carb intake,but then she doesn't have heart disease to worry about.
I personally think low carb is the right choice and have to agree with Mr Cummings and many others may I add,not just him.
I think full keto is good but not for everyone and probably very hard to sustain,so that's the reason I would do low carb like 100gms day max.
Mind you I've just got back from a dog walk and starving and looking around all I can see is carbs due to having kids there are sweets etc laying around. But I'm not tempted because I overdosed at Xmas sadly
Hang on i have some nice fresh sliced salmon mmmm!
Baked cod loin with a few new potatoes and broccoli here...
Hang on new potatoes?Are they not on the high glycemic table.
Hi Londinium, long time no see! Glad to see you’re still around! 😁. I’ll pm you.
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