Heart Failure & coughing

[Lezzers]

My husband has got heart failure & has had a cough for at least 2/3 years. At first he was told the cause of his cough was his medication. Now the cardiologist has said its not his medication it could be his heart failure but wants Kevin to see GP first. He's had a breathing test done at surgery & that was fine & he's just had the all clear from a chest x ray. Obviously something is causing the cough but if it was his heart wouldn't the x ray have shown fluid on his lungs? It does seem to get worse in hot, cold or damp weather. Also, he often coughs when he starts to speak or on light exertion Sometimes it's a dry cough & other times it's phlegmy, though he doesn't bring anything up & it's definitely not an an allergy. Does anyone have any ideas??? Thank you

[bobrob]

SOME Heart medications do definitely cause coughs, i was moved off a beta blioker because of that, but water in the sac containing the heart does that too. I dont think x-rays do see it, it can be a thin layer. I had it after an ablation - the heart was irritated by the procedure and it was temporary, but they used ultrasound to see it. If he has swollen ankles thats a good indicator but i dont think everyone has that.

[Lezzers in reply to bobrob]

Thanks for replying Bob. Kevin has never had an ablation & his ankles don't swell. He does have a large tummy that was going down when he was on spironolactone but he had to come off it due to high potassium, now he can't shift the weight of he's stomach again. I know swollen stomachs are a sign of fluid but his stomach is quite hard, I would have thought if he had fluid there it would be more supple & ripplery, if there is such a word!!

[bobrob in reply to Lezzers]

Nb I knew a fellow patient in the royal brompton with a huge drum like middle that was liquid - they had to draw it off with a needle a few times - he was very unwell. The medics can easily know if it’s liquid with ultrasound but if it’s that bad they would I think be telling you all sorts of stuff about it so maybe it’s not, but what makes it hard?

[Keithtygwyrth]

I have had HF AF arrhythmia etc since 2002, I was told most HF sufferers have the cough, the heart can no longer clear mucous from the lungs, air passageways etc efficiently and it builds up. Often worse build up when you are lying down. Sorry, it may not go away. I know it's antisocial and horrible. NHS role seems to be to maintain life, not a quality or improvement of life.

[Lezzers in reply to Keithtygwyrth]

Thank you Keith, I would have thought any mucus in his lungs would show up on the x ray?

[bobrob in reply to Keithtygwyrth]

Has the nhs not offered to fix your AF with ablation?

[stevejb1810]

What meds is he taking? As has been stated some meds do cause cough - Ramipril is a very well known case in point.

[Lezzers]

Hi Steve, thanks for your reply. Kevin has never taken Ramipril. He was taking lisinopril which is known to cause a cough. He changed to candesartan bout 3 years ago and the cardiologist has said the cough isn't medication related but could be heart related. I thought you coughed with heart failure due to fluid in the lungs but chest x ray was clear so don't understand how it can be heart related.

[bobrob]

You cough for potentially several reasons, changing from a ‘pril to a ‘sartan is changing from a beta blocker to an ace inhibitor, different med, different action. Its nothing to do with the lungs, it can be to do with the nerves eg vegus nerve that are implicated in heart and chest function - its sort of a side effect really. You need to discuss with a proper cardiologist, but dont think its like a cough you get from a bug or irritation, people get it for life if their meds arent optimal, or their condition isnt containable with the right meds, i dont want to do down the experts, if a proper cardiologist says xxx believe!

[bobrob]

Also - water tablets like spironolactone have side effects, like hedaches and male breast growth [eek] i rejected them for this and was put onto a more heart targetted tablet - eplerenone which has fewer side effects and seems to have no down side.

[Lezzers]

Thanks Bob, Kevin's not seeing cardiologist till November hence asking the questions here, but he's seeing his nurse next month so will speak to her. Kevin has never taken beta blockers as he is intolerant to them. He did suffer the side effects of spironolactone but the benefits outweighed this do would have been happy to stay on it but unfortunately it wasn't to be. I have suggested an alternative but they want to monitor him first to see if they can put him on estresto but he has blood pressure issues so been told recently it's looking unlikely. Thank you very much for your help.

[Dkhanka]

why can’t he have entresto if has bp problems?

[theonethatgotaway1]

Yes it could be very well be a cough from heart failure and/or the meds. Some heart meds have cough as a side effect. Even some heart failure meds have.....heart failure, as a side effect! It is tricky to pin point symptoms when you have such a condition. It's not exactly you can mess around with meds and not take them for a while to see which ones causing the issues.

Is he on any water tablets tor reduce water build up? Fuoresemide? I know when I had 12% ef function and had a huge belly from eater build up they put me on a high dose. Still on a low 20mg dose to this day.

[Themcgeevers]

Hello I had 2 mi ,s within 9 months 4 years ago totally iut of blue no classic build up stmotoms or known risk factors . I had 2 emergency PCI’s and stents in same lad .

Anyway since then ive had a cough like your husband told it was medication had loads of lung tests X-rays ect and breathing tests. sometimes cough is dry sometimes productive stringy clear stuff. Under the Brompton who now say its habbit ! And have offered a cough therapist ! She is really lovely but i find it strange . If it is a habbit why is it not all the time , why is it when i rush or when i lay down or wake up , or if i laugh then i feel breathless uncomfortable in my chest cough and cough till i clear stuff then feel washed out but better . I have a slight leaky mitral valve that non-one seems botherd by , i don't see a cardiologist any more.

I know my cough related to my heart but specialist seem to say otherwise they have done tests so now i guess I just have to live with it .ps ive never smoked . Sorry not much help but interesting to hear someone else has ‘unexplained cough’