Dear all, I hope you don't mind me posting a link of a text I published on Linkedin about the continuing mismanagement of the pandemics in the Western world. The virus was defeated in two months with less the 5000 deaths in China with a lockdown of only 59 days, even less or none at all in South Corea and all the Far East, New Zealand and Australia included! They have all used a strict protocol of TEST&TRACE, which is THE ONLY SOLUTION to the pandemics known so far by the medical science. We ignored and still ignore it, as the vaccine is not the solution, it should only be a part of the protocol. The West has had so far more than 2 million dead while the rest of the whole world only half a million! I wish more and more people should be aware of it.
If anyone feels like reading my research this is the link:
Flawed policies continue to be used to this day in the UK. The current 'Fad' being introducing 'Vaccine Passports' for large scale events. Yet it is readily admitted that vaccines are not the complete answer as they may not offer protection to infection but rather reduce the severe effects of the virus and preventing hospitalisation.
I find this a very dangerous policy indeed, being implemented by politicians that have no medical training or qualifications . Potentially allowing Infected and contagious people mixing together en mass within indoor settings like cinemas, nightclubs, theatres, concerts etc. under the illusion that with vaccine passports that it is safe to do so is astounding. What about those in which the vaccine does not work? It took 6 months before they found the new 'UK variant', what if another new variant that can evade the vaccine arises, caused by the vaccine pressure to mutate, is this yet another total disaster just waiting in the wings to happen?
Then there is the other new 'pipe dream fad', mass testing using lateral flow tests that are not really sensitive or accurate enough and only voluntary anyway, I wonder just how long that will last before people get tired of doing them after lockdown fatigue?
Absolutely agree 100% 2greys! Besides the scandalous amount of money being spent on these ideas! One minute they go to great lengths to advise is that the vaccines will only reduce transmission and take the pressure off the NHS by reducing the severity of illness, then telling us they are good enough to go to mass events! .....and as far as the lateral tests go, well the mind boggles!
I agree with the vast majority of what you have written. Sadly from an infection control perspective, lateral flow tests, vaccine passports etc are a nonsense. All they do in reality is provide a false sense of security for some. Basically until covid is controlled in Europe and the rest of the world the UK is fourth wave waiting to happen unless strict controls are maintained.
Here in Andalucia we are doing better .... but hey it’s Easter ... and fiesta time. I hope we don’t get another spike in a fortnight but I won’t be surprised if we do. Mediterranean people find it so hard to stop big family gatherings, kissing and hugging each time they meet- it’s in their DNA.
These are all very good points, and worth reading up on, and I do agree we seem to have done very badly in our management of the pandemic in comparison to other areas of the world.I do always bear in mind that we only know what “they” choose to tell us.
So I take reports on statistics of numbers of infections and deaths with a small pinch of salt, and try not to let our particular situation get me down too much.
I hope that in due course the truth of what has happened will out, although I won’t be very surprised if certain people never hold their hands up and say sorry for making bad decisions. 🤷♀️
Think Taiwan's response was excellent.Am uncertain re China's handling as from what we hear from relatives there versus what the official story is varies.
Malaysia(more relatives there) struggles with both implementing effective policies versus widespread corruption.
I don't find the post helpful, many people in their own countries are fully aware of the lives lost and the ongoing (and in some cases) increasing problems being experienced. For those who have lost friends and relatives to covid this kind of post I find extremely unsupportive to the community.
The post seems only to intend a response of anti comment disregarding the feelings of those who are already stressed by relatives who are seriously ill or who have died from covid-19.
Don't you think that those who are suffering the most are those who would need most to know why that's happening and claim justice? Lies do not help suffering!
No I don't think it is at all helpful when people are grieving. anger and blame will not help them in their grief and stress, it will imo just add to that stress and be detrimental to their own healing and health, the opposite of what a support community is all about.
I dare say this will all “come out in the wash” when the inevitable investigation takes place, but I find comparisons with other countries unhelpful. For starters, many Far Eastern countries have cultures in which being told what to do is generally accepted (imagine anti-lockdown protests in China!), whereas western countries are generally democracies where people expect greater freedom of choice; unfortunately, I think many western countries (and particularly in the US and UK) misread the public attitude, which was much more inclined to accept draconian actions in the short-term for long-term gain (perhaps the public think more long-term than our politicians!).
Australia and New Zealand are probably good examples because of their predominantly western cultures, but none of us are out of the woods yet, and it turns out that comparisons with Germany were a bit premature.
It’s not a competition between countries, it’s a competition against a virus and, although test and trace are important, it’s actually ensuring isolation which is key, and we haven’t done that effectively. But I wouldn’t be so ready to write off the vaccine; current thinking is that we will continue to have COVID infections (and deaths), but at more like an influenza rate if we continue to vaccinate.
The fact is that China had the shortest lockdown in the world of 59 days and people were free to circulate soon after, as tracing (which means isolations) was strictly in place. This is not competition between nations ( I am a Westerner myself). We say we follow science and then we don't apply the only medical successful evidence to eradicate the virus. We are the ones who keep people locked down for months on end, let them down economically and let millions die! You are right, people want their health being protected even with strict measures if these cure them. It is not a question of "freedom" but of public health and people's common sense knows it.
the blame game and intent to agitate disagreement, not helpful in a support community. Certainly it never helped relations between people nor countries.
Thank you - Bkin .We have today heard of the loss of a family member in the Far East from suspected covid .Unless you are there you can't know the politics in different countries.
Test and Trace is not a panacea. There is a contradiction in your argument. You equate test and trace to isolation which is logical enough since that is its only usefulness and effect. Yet you appear to decry lockdown. How else do you isolate the virus ? There is a fundamental in all this. The virus is spread person to person. The only safe way to avoid encountering the virus is to avoid people in so far as that is possible. How do you persuade people to keep away from each other, that is, outside their 'bubble' ? As for the alleged mismanagement by those who have the difficult task of directing an increasingly ill-disciplined society, wisdom after the event is a wonderful commodity.. Do you really believe the low death toll alleged for the Far East, including China, let alone the rest of the World ? For sure, the virus is not going to go away any time soon. The pandemic Covid virus will inevitably become endemic akin to influenza. In this respect, a vaccination programme is the only answer both now and in the long term.
A vaccination programme is our answer, all to be experimented, and not the answer. I am sorry if I did not make myself clear. I don't decry lockdowns, on the contrary, it is the only way to make the spread go down. But making the spread go down is not enough to eradicate the virus, as we all have seen. The real work starts exactly when the lockdown ends, that is, mass testing, tracing and isolating wherever the virus appears. So opening does not mean just opening, it means you can open because the work of cornering and eventually eradicating the virus is fully and throughly running. In China, where I am in touch with several people, they are now concentrating on not letting the virus enter the country again, that's why they apply strict 14 days quarantine in designated hospitals for people entering the country. Eradicating a pandemic is not something you can improvise, half-doing it or experimenting. The medical evidenced protocol already exists but we have chosen not to apply it, while the countries which made the effort to apply it succeeded health-wise, economically and in gaining freedom. My question: why are we not doing this for ourselves?
PS. I am not against the vaccine, given that's is all we can get!
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