apixiban and tumeric

[kayberry]

I stopped taking tumeric and related supplements when I started taking apixiban on advice of Anti-Coagulation clinic. As a result of stopping tumeric, i got really bad joint pains over past four years. Is there really a possibility that I can actually take tumeric while taking apixiban? I do take COQ10.

[CDreamer]

There is a difference in taking Tumeric as a food and as a supplement. I take Apixaban and have Tumeric Tea every day, Tumeric Latte and use dried in cooking but there is NO way I would take Tumeric as a supplement.

I take a Glucosamine with Chondroitin on advice of a rheumatologist (needs to be at least 1g of active ingredient) and Reservratrol and use topical spray if really painful and that seems to work for me, but we are all different. Being in pain is no fun but I wouldn’t chance mixing Apixaban and Tumeric supplements.

[kayberry in reply to CDreamer]

Thanks so much for great info CDreamer. I will definitely investigate the Glucosamine/Chrondroitin; however, I thought I was told it was also a No-No with Apixiban. Is the spray Resveratrol?

I have developed almost daily GERD since starting Apixiban which I have been trying to manage on my own without much success. I did investigate and got all tests for Watchman, but ultimately decided against that.

[CDreamer in reply to kayberry]

Reservratrol is a capsule and helps reduce chronic inflammation. I use a Physiotherapy gel/spray which I can’t remember the name of but is based on Arnica. My Physio recommended and it’s mildly helpful. My Rheumatologist GP said you won’t feel any difference from the Glucosamine for about 4 weeks - and they were correct so don’t expect any immediate improvement.

I had dreadful GERD with other anticoagulants but not with Apixaban. I nearly always take mine about 30 mins after eating, take with a full glass of water and be careful what you eat, carbs of any sort tend to exacerbate GERD. Take a warm drink - I prefer hot water with a slice of lemon after eating and sip. Another Lifestyle tip is to swallow your saliva frequently or if your stomach is empty - give your stomach acid something to work on such as eat a few nuts and sips of warm water.

I’m a great fan of Water Melon, learned from a nutritionist many years ago. Water Melon has exactly the right Ph to calm stomach acid so I always have one in my shop and liquidise it with a little apple juice. It makes a pleasant drink and seems to really help when I feel nauseaus.

Hope some of that helps. Alternatively you could ask your GP to change to another anticoagulant to see if that is any better.

[Desanthony in reply to CDreamer]

I'm glad I read that reply CDreamer! Tips I will take on.

[Blearyeyed in reply to Desanthony]

Just to let you know , Reservratol isn't recommended with blood thinners, anticoagulants and antiplatelets.Reservratol interacts with anticlotting medications and interferes with their metabolism . It's because they are processed by the same pathway in the liver causing a build up of your medication in the blood stream over time.

It increases the chance of severe bleeding on these medications and patients are advised not to take them together , even with a space between the two medications.

Turmeric as a supplement and COQ10 are also are also products that interfere with anticlotting and blood thinning medications and can cause an increased risk of bleeding , as well as causing them to increase joint and muscle pain , or basically do the opposite of what they are taken for.

I was annoyed at my loss of Turmeric, it did nothing for my joint pain but was really good for my digestion and IBS. But. it's just one of those adjustments we sometimes have to make when we require a medication and can't just rely on diet and supplements anymore to help our health issues.

[kocoach in reply to CDreamer]

I love watermelon also but had to stop eating it immediately after I read in several articles that it contains Erythritol naturally, which has been shown to cause blood clots. I sure miss eating it but even though I'm on apixaban I don't want to take a chance.

[CDreamer in reply to kocoach]

Whilst I would avoid as a food additive, as I would avoid as much processed foods as I possibly could because the body doesn’t recognise chemicals as food. Any natural food though it does recognise and metabolises differently so I just as I don’t worry about taking Tumeric tea but wouldn’t touch a supplement, I am not going to worry about Watermelon as it’s really hard to eat enough to absorb enough of the chemical to do harm.

A little bit of what you fancy does you good my Gran always used to say but moderation in all things. She lived until she was 98.

[kocoach in reply to CDreamer]

Thank You for that insight, I will be adding watermelon to my next food delivery. Have a Great Day!

[BrotherThomas]

I was taking turmeric as a supplement when first diagnosed with AF. I started on warferin but, after a few months decided that the turmeric wasn't doing any good so I stopped taking it. The result was that my INR went up dramatically and needed to be rebalanced. Just shows that it does have a significant effect on clotting. Having said that, I had no problems with Indian food whilst on warfarin. I now take apixaban but no longer take the supplement.

[hausjac]

I take Curcumin plus for my joints as can’t take NSAIDs but avoid fish oils. There are a lot of supplements for OA out there like boswellia but again Apixaban doesn’t like them. My cardio knows about the curcumin but is not fussed. He says big pharma is covering its derrière. What can you do!

[Blearyeyed]

I've left an answer to Desanthony which also answers your post if you'd like to take a look.

It also mentions why COQ10 may be adding to your joint pain rather than relieving now as well. It's not advised with Warfarin or Clopidigrel among other things.

Using a good topical Magnesium lotion on your joints at night can help with all different types of joint pain . BetterYou products have been University tested and state the dose of Magnesium you get each application.

Heat pads can also help. Keeping well hydrated through the day also helps joint pain.

Getting enough Vitamin D and B vitamins in your diet also reduces joint pain and inflammation.

Flexiseq, is a bit expensive, but it is a joint lotion which helps people with the pain of various conditions including arthritis and osteoarthritis/ osteoporosis, and is safely recommended for use by people on most medications as well .

Some people can take Magnesium Glycinate to reduce joint pain , but that depends on whether you also have other medications that interact with Magnesium or low blood pressure or low heart rate which is often the case for people with cardiac problems.

You need to check your drugs and daily symptoms before you can take Magnesium as well, and either stop using it or choose a time to take it that fits in with your daily doses and heart rate patterns.

You can sometimes have Turmeric in the diet , in food or as a tea , as long as you have it four hours after a dose of your blood thinning medication for safety and it doesn't cause you any noticeable symptoms such as prolonged bleeding if you cut yourself or bleeding gums. You shouldn't take Turmeric supplements even with spacing between the supplements and medication.

You may also need to check whether you can take oral Glucosamine supplements too , depending on your medications. Although there are some good topical options including Glucosamine which you could use.

It's really annoying when supplements you've been able to take for years to help other things can't be taken anymore because our health changing and because we need to start taking medications. Take care , Bee