Palpitations/Nattokinase/Serrapeptase

[Cal_]

I was looking for some information regarding Nattokinase and Serrapeptase.

I have had palpitations on and off for about 2 years.

About a year ago I went I to see a cardiologist privately. He said there is nothing wrong with my heart but probably caused by stress. I've suffered from stress and anxiety for several years due to personal life problems. I easily get very anxious and upset. The last three years even more so.

For about 50 years I have used supplements and herbal products successfully. Yet now it seems that there's always a side effect or risk to everything.

I've read about the above supplements being good for heart health, Natto especially but am worried about taking it/them. Once upon a time I'd just give it a go.

I read that serrapeptase removes plaque from blood vessels then I read there's no where for it to go once it's removed.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

[CDreamer]

Nattokinese is an anticoagulant unfortunately it is not tested, in Europe at least and has no recommended dose. I would be very hesitant to even think of going there without expert advice and supervision and to the best of my knowledge, you won’t get that outside of Japan.

It’s a perennial subject and I’ve seen lots of posts asking but not one with someone with experience who has used it.

[Fblue in reply to CDreamer]

FYI. It is not an anticoagulant. I believe it is a fibron buster. It may break up clots after they are there like lumbrokinase. They don’t stop clots from forming in the first place like an anticoagulant does. There haven’t been studies specifically in regard to a fibs. I only know because I’ve looked into lumbrokinase because with auto immune disease for thyroid you can’t take natto. my doctor even contacted the company Bolouke that makes the best lumbrokinase and they explained that some alternative doctors are using it for a fib, but no study has been done in that regards. Also not sure it has been researched for safety and long term use. Wish we had a great alternative that”’s been researched!!!!!💜

[riffjack846 in reply to Fblue]

I agree. Natto doesn't stop a clot from forming it breaks it down once it forms. Unfortunately that may be too late to stop an ischemic event from occuring. It's mainly used in Japan (to break up clots). I've never heard it being used for palpitations though.

[Cal_ in reply to Fblue]

Thank you for sharing this information. I will look at this information.

[secondtry]

Likely to be much more information soon as it is one of 3 supplements being used to reduce the side effects for some of the C-jab. I would wait 6 months and see what comes up on covid19criticalcare.com/pro...

[solarjdo69]

Cal - I take 2000FU Nattokinase daily (weird but that's the abbreviation - Fibrolytic Units I believe).

I take NO prescription blood thinners. I would point you to one of my past posts but it appears the Medical Police didn't like my posts about healthy alternatives to the medical tyranny that we have, so I can't share those with you. I would encourage you to read these links.

mskcc.org/cancer-care/integ...

verywellhealth.com/what-is-...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

The potential (low risk) of a blood clot or crud stripped off of your arteries that MAY get lodged elsewhere is possible.

I would point out that an angioplasty where they scrape your heart arteries clean can cause the same issue. My cardiologist wanted me to do one since the various scans said I was partially blocked and needed to have that done. I reverted back to an item I took years ago and have been taking now for about 4 months (MRM Cardio Chelate 3 capsules in AM 2hrs b4 a ny food.. Last month I went back to Cardiologist and his first comment was "John, you look good!" He told me that he could tell by my skin tone and color that my health and circulation had improved. He did an EKG on the spot and after the exam he said my EKG was much improved and told me to keep doing what I'm doing and he'll see me in 6 months.

I've been taking Nattokinase for 8 years now.

[Cal_ in reply to solarjdo69]

Thank you so much for the references and information. I will look into them 😊

[oragex]

I think those supplements are a scam. There is a whole industry with more or less 'natural' products. Maybe some have some effect, but notice how there can be 0,01% effect versus 25% effect. Just saying 'it has effect' doesn't tell the actual proportion.

Can you describe the palpitations ? How long do this last when it happens, does it feel a little painful, do these happen during the day, during sleep time, after a big meal ? Do you have any signs of dehydration such as dry skin on hands ?

[Cal_ in reply to oragex]

It happens during the day usually when I'm stressed. It was off and in most of Sunday but it's not usually like this.

A little pain but only slight

Not after a meal.

My skin tends to be dry but just with aging I think.

Thank you for your reply

[oragex]

I think there can be an emotional component but there may also be a physiological (physical) component. The physiological part is not easy to identify - reason why most doctors will send someone home with a line such as "it's normal, it's from stress". Most of them don't want to invest time in a difficult task. I would suggest only a test, may take half a glass of water every hour, for a few days. This should give easier blood flow - thinner blood, and may help with a few things inside the body.

[Cal_ in reply to oragex]

I dodrink water throught the day but perhaps not as regularly as every hour. I'll try this. Thank you.

[Cal_ in reply to oragex]

As I was paying to see this consultant I think he would have recommended further tests if necessary. Or put me into the NHS

[Autumn_Leaves]

If the cardiologist says there’s nothing wrong with your heart, then what exactly are you attempting to “treat” by taking these supplements? By your own admission it’s an anxiety issue. Why don’t you address this instead by practicing stress management techniques and perhaps considering talking therapies? I doubt popping a supplement pill is going to address your anxiety issues.

[Cal_ in reply to Autumn_Leaves]

My cholesterol was a little up so I thought the supplement helps with that too. Also as a precaution

[Autumn_Leaves in reply to Cal_]

If your cholesterol is up then why not look at your diet? Have you looked at the portfolio diet? There is also a modified version of this diet at the Heart UK website called the ultimate cholesterol lowering plan. You could adopt one, more than one or all of the dietary strategies then retest and see if it helps.

[Cal_ in reply to Autumn_Leaves]

Thank you I will look at this study and dietary advice.

[oragex in reply to Autumn_Leaves]

Just my opinion on "doctor said there's nothing wrong". While there may indeed be nothing wrong, I've learned the hard way that many doctors do just like many car dealerships do in some instances: that is, they wave away the issue by saying "it's normal". Usually this "language" (which is actually a lie) means they don't want to take care of a more complex situation. We should understand a doctor is still a human being, with some less professional that others. A doctor is a not a perfect machine that gives the good answer every time. That's why, if in doubt, it's always a good idea to see more than 1-2 doctors for more complex issues.

[Autumn_Leaves in reply to oragex]

I’m aware that “nothing wrong” does not necessarily mean “perfect”. However, this is not my thread and I am not “the patient” here. I have no idea what tests the OP has had or what the results were. Whether taking supplements on guesswork without any clear rationale is advisable is another matter entirely.

[Cal_ in reply to oragex]

The consultant I saw is a Professor and work in one of the top NHS hospitals in the UK. They have a world class heart department. So I am confident in his advice.

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my question though

[Autumn_Leaves in reply to Cal_]

That’s very good news. Stay well.

[Cal_ in reply to Autumn_Leaves]

Ah thank you for your kind words. My reply re the consultant was for oragex. Sorry as thread is getting mixed up. I'll try to fix it

[healingharpist]

Hi Cal, Fblue mentions lumbrokinase, esp. the Bolouke product. You might want to look at Dr. Robert Jay Rowen's article on lumbrokinase, as he's been using it with patients who have afib, and he says it has been effective. I am also considering it and doing some further research. Here is one of his pieces that has a chart comparing the Bolouke lumbrokinase to some other sources: drrowen.substack.com/p/on-p...

[Cal_ in reply to healingharpist]

Thank you I will look into this.