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Hello all

You may remember I had an aborted ablation last week. Fortunately rebooked quickly for 20th of this month

Hospital called today and want to bring date forward to next week 13th. Obviously glad as the sooner the better

My concern is my right groin is still so bruised and swollen from last time will they be able to get the catheters in? Or is it possible to put them in from the left side instead?

Any thoughts? Thanks for listening x

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Jalia profile image
Jalia

I would phone the hospital and explain ( I had left and right catheters fir my ablation s)

PS just read your previous post..i would imagine he would go through other side anyhow

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honey1958 in reply to Jalia

Thanks Jalia thats good to know they could do left. I'm at hospital Monday so will ask then x

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dedeottie

hi. I had 2 ablations in quick succession. Although my groin was not bruised the EP only put two cathetars in the right groin and put a third in my left. I am sure he/she will find a way. X

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honey1958 in reply to dedeottie

Thankyou I will ask about it. I'm sure they have ways.

Just hope I don't get the same doctor this time. He was brutal. Not only didn't sedate me actually used his elbow for extra groin pressure x

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jeanjeannie50 in reply to honey1958

What!!!! Gave you no sedation whatsoever?

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honey1958 in reply to jeanjeannie50

Thats right. I was given morphine at the start of the procedure but told they would wait till the burning part to give the sedative. So I was fully awake and aware

At my first ablation I had medazolam at the start and slept through most of it.

Hope you are starting to feel better x

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Buffafly in reply to honey1958

I think I would ask and explain why, I had a brutal one for an angiogram and it traumatised me, next angiogram was a doddle ❤️‍🩹

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honey1958 in reply to Buffafly

Yes I will try to discuss it as doctors need to be aware that although procedures are routine to them patients can find it upsetting.

Sorry about your brutal angiogram. You were very brave to have a second!

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wilsond in reply to honey1958

Honey exactly the same for me,nothing until they started burning and even then I had to shout for it!

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honey1958 in reply to wilsond

Its not right is it? Surely the last thing a patient needs is to be traumatised and terrified of further procedures

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wilsond in reply to honey1958

No,it was brutal. Im also pretty spooked at the thought of another! Totally unexpected as well. Xxx

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honey1958 in reply to wilsond

Completely understand the spooked feeling. Are you likely to need another do you know?

Interestingly my daughter is a nurse and I felt somewhat disappointed with her lack of empathy. X

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wilsond in reply to honey1958

It was 15 weeks ago and Ive been in nsr since. Not had review yet and still on all meds. Waiting to see what happens when or if I come off. Hope not as I will now be like you,dreading it! Oh nurses can be dismissive if you are not actuallt at deaths door ! Helps get them on with the job I expect!

Best wishes Honey xx

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honey1958 in reply to wilsond

Looking good if you've been in NSR since👍.

If you do come off meds after review I would ask about tapering down rather than just stopping. Your system is used to those meds and doesn't want a shock x

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wilsond in reply to honey1958

Thats a good point! Xxx

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loobylou777 in reply to honey1958

Honey I had exactly the same. They waited until I had intense pain and then said Ahh thats what we needed , we will now give you sedation. Also had great problems with right groin. They then went in left groin no problems. Problems with my arteries crossing each other apparently . Good luck with your next procedure

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honey1958 in reply to loobylou777

Sorry you had a bad experience. Hope it was successful.

Why oh why do you have to wait to be in severe pain before you get help??

For me no more being stoical until its really bad on the incorrect assumption I would get help immediately I said I was struggling..

Another time tempted to exaggerate how bad it feels!

Thankyou for your good wishes x

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KMRobbo

I had two ablations a month apart and they went through the same side in the groin. For me afterwards there was no difference in the state of the groin after the second ablation compared to the first nor the recovery afterwards.

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honey1958 in reply to KMRobbo

Thankyou. I hope the recovery works the same for me.

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Fullofheart

I had second one done 4 weeks afteafter first and they went in same side just bit lower but I believe they can go in other side if they need to.

Wishing you all the best. Definitely better to not wait as long!!

Ps. Being awake is pretty standard for cryo ablation less so for RF (heat) as its less well tolerated. I was awake for both but it was ok. Uncomfortable but tolerable.

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honey1958 in reply to Fullofheart

Thankyou for your good wishes.

Glad I will be be asleep for this one. You coped well to be awake for both yours.

Having said that suppose reactions to procedures can vary. My first ablation without GA was a doddle but this last one the absolute opposite.

I remember my EP saying I needed another and asking if I would agree to that. I said yes straight away. If I were to be asked no I would say no way without GA x

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Fullofheart in reply to honey1958

I think you are right. My EP said theres no way of knowing who will tolerate and who wont...or how well.

I was told that because I tolerated the cryo one so well they would do the RF without GA. Ive never been so gutted about being "good" at something. 😂

But it actually wasnt that bad!!

Super best wishes that yours goes well! 😊

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honey1958 in reply to Fullofheart

Think the EP must have thought the same about me.

We've both learnt a lesson. From now on don't be a 'good' patient and err on the side of telling the doctor how bad it was! x

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kkatz

Can't help with your question but hope it all goes well.But you all scaring me re ablation and insufficient sedation.But the wait for GA over a year.

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honey1958 in reply to kkatz

Sorry to have scared you kkatz.

You may well find you can tolerate the procedure ok under sedation as others above have. My first ablation was fine and I did not hesitate to repeat it when required.

You may wish to specifically ask for a small dose of sedation at the very start of the procedure and if told no ask why not. And don't be afraid to continue to tell them throughout if you are in pain. Looking back I should have complained more and louder but didn't expect to have to.

Alternatively someone posted earlier that they were told by a senior nurse that if they said 'that's it I've had enough and I'm going now' you will certainly be made comfortable!

Best wishes x

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kkatz in reply to honey1958

I would much rather had GA but at least a years wait & maybe with my other problems (seizures?tias) they would rather I was awake. I was ok when I had stents 14 years ago.I will try to think just a longer version of that.

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honey1958 in reply to kkatz

Do you have a date yet? I have waited for a year for this one. I was told the wait for ablation under GA was even longer.

You will also have to be guided by the medics if they consider GA dangerous for you. Try not to worry. My first procedure with sedation was a doddle x

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kkatz in reply to honey1958

On the list .Rang admissions & spoke to the girl who books them as we normally go away for winter hols a month at a time.She was brill when I was chasing cardioversion last winter.She looked me up & said 18 - 20 weeks average and I am 5 weeks in.Ring before I intend to go for my Jan trip.

I also checked with arrythmia nurses GA or Sedation & they said Sedation planned.Would be a year + if GA.

So not a long wait but sat in EP' s tray for 3 months till I chased.

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honey1958 in reply to kkatz

18 to 20 weeks sounds good. What hospital? I'm Glenfield at Leicester.

Hope you don't get a date for while you are away though!

Sadly it seems to up to patients to chase things up these days. I felt a pain nagging for an ECHO date but the nurse said thats what you have to do x

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kkatz

I am in Leeds.

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