Asthma

[cujos]

I was prescribed Flovent for my asthma because it has no to little effect on the heart. It is how ever a steroid. Has anyone had any experience with this? Thank you. Still hopeful.

[Goldfish_]

It's fluticasone or flixotide in the uk. The second commonest asthma steroid inhaler. It's s preventer rather than reliever so needs to be used regularly to be effective and is no use for acute episodes. It shouldn't affect af at all, unlike all the reliever bronchodilators which are excitatory for the heart

[cujos in reply to Goldfish_]

I thought so. Thank you.

[Jonathan_C in reply to Goldfish_]

FWIW I am on Ipvent, which as far as i understand is a bronchodilator but is not a beta agonist (i.e. not excitatory!). I initially used a beta agonist, but then a pulmonoligist recommended the ipvent after learning about my a-fib.

[Biggles22]

The ipratropium in this or atrovent in uk is certainly less excitatory for the heart, but still may have a mild effect

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I don't know if this helps, but for 10 years the Docs told me I had Asthma. Turns out my Asthma symptoms were due to the heart failure. This is sometimes referred to as Cardiac Asthma (please see google).

I had a Pulmonary Function test to confirm my Asthma status and was then described diuretics to help clear the lungs and ankles of excess water.

I hardly ever take the puffer now.

[nymima01]

My pulmonologist told me that it (Flovent) would only be for the lungs - and would not effect or go into the rest of my body. I am on it now too as a result of chronic bronchitis and asthma. Albuterol did nothing to help me. The Flovent is a godsend! I can breath again!

[traveler65]

@cujos--measure complete thyroid panel; try reduced glutathione (if dr. says it won't hurt you)-much asthma is caused by oxidative streess according to my allergist--glutathione removes the extra fluid in and aorund your lungs that is causing the breating difficulty--also lowers the inflammation that is triggering the asthma. Some people with asthma and with afib have thyroid problems (over or under functioning can both cause afib and asthma).

[cujos in reply to traveler65]

According to all my blood panels I have a normal thyroid function. Would glutathione still help?

[traveler65 in reply to cujos]

@cujos Hi. Most people who have asthma have elevated lukotrienes (an inflammatory substance produced by your body)-- a drug called Singulaire (in the USA--had a different name in Europe where it was used successfully for decades before Merck brought it to the USA)---singulaire is a leukotriene inhibitor. It helped me tremendously-also cleared out sinuses., as wellas opened bronchial tubes, due to lowering the inflammation caused by leuktrienes. So- 1) Singulaire--but ask your allergist/immunologist's advice (you should be seeing an allergist).

2)There are natural leukotriene inhibitors: quercetin (the whitish substance between the orange and it's peel has this, but you need as much as you'd get from eating 15 oranges- a 500 mg c apsule is better-make sure it does not conflict with anything you take.

3) A second natural lukotriene inhibitor is pycnogenol- the best , purest brandds are from "Healthy Origins" and "Pure

Encapsulations"- I take 100 milligrtams once a day. This is very excellent stuff for many things and is very strong.

4) Glutathione- reduced form-from Jarrow or Healthy Origins- will remove some of the inflammation causing the asthma and will lowere the fluid build up between the lungs and surrounding memraine that' s making it hard for your lungs to expand. Glutathione lso lowers the viral load that builds up in this space.

4a) N-acetyl-cysteine--is an antiinflammatory antioxidant that has attraction to the lungs. It stops the massive mast cell activity and is excellent for asthma. I take 500 mg twice a day ,. Do not take too much . If you take too much it goes from anti oxidant to oxidant. You will know it is too much because it will give you a headache--BUT AGAIN--check it out for yourself and ask an immunologist(allergist)-although I am not sure any allopathic physicians know anything about nutrition and supplements.

5) Most people with asthma have allergies-

See an allergist

The standard scratch tests are for pollens, mold, cats,dust mites.

If you are allergic to cats (even if you do not have a cat) and dust mites and mold---get allergy shots--because these are very nasty strong allergies. Cat hair is so prevallent that you do not need to own a cat to have allergic response to it; also dust mites are microscopic animals that eat the dead skin cells that you deposit into your mattress and furniture and carpeting and if you see an enlarged picture of a dust mite you will thk it should be in a science fiction movie--but this is a very nasty hard to get rid of allergy--so get allergy shots for dust mites---If you can change your mattress to a foam like Temperpedic brand and same brand pillows--- this will not allow any dust mites or germs to survive in it. Also vacuum 3 times a week with a hepa filter vacuum and put air purifiers in your rooms., and use air conditioning., during the summer.

If you say you are so sensitive to everything you may have some food allergies: You can get provoked response skin tests from a homeopathic allergist for the most common allergies-don't use their drops--just eliminate those foods: peanuts, A1 cow milk, wheat, gluten, candida-specific strains, sugar--specifically cane and beet sugar,shell fish and afew others.

A good idea may be a food elimination for a period of time --then add back 1 and see what happens---I would suggest eliminating these: alcohol, gluten, nightshades, peanuts,A-1 cow milk, shell fish.

If you show up on a test allergic to something, ex. mold--remember this also has a variety of relatives- it means penecillin, cephalosprins, any Rx. made from mold or bacteria; vinegar and all it's product s containing vinegar such as ketchup and mustard. Etc. Do some reasearch--look up all the complete list of nightshades. You can fix the asthma so you have no symptoms. I know this because this is what I did. And , Yes I am very sensitive an allergic to ":everything"--but I am not starving or miserable-I am just very happy to breathing normally. You can buy lactofermented items instead of sour crout and pickles made with vinegar.

I forgot something--people with asthma tend to be allergic to MINT- I do not know why-- this includes everything in the chemical class called camphenes--this means mint; camphor; menthol, lavender, and certqain planrts and herbs (look it up). It is weird, but because of this I am allergic to many mouthwashes and toothpastes thqt contqain mint and menthol--so I find others- they work just as well no problem--but you do not want to get an asthma attack because you brushed your teeth and used mouthwash--this is just too ridiculous. I hope this info is helpful. You can fix the problem, but you need to do some reseqrch. Y9ou havve a computer as you are on this blog. Use it also for reading about these things. this will really help you.

[nymima01 in reply to traveler65]

Valuable information here!! TY!

[traveler65 in reply to cujos]

@cujos did your doctor's thyroid test consist of tsh, total T4 and free T4 and does he treat hypothyroidism with sythetic T4? If so , this is outdated and not optimal. Try getting tests for Free T4 and Free T3. Look at hormonerestoration.com This is my docotr . He is so excellent he has patients fly to the USA to see him. Although he is not accepting any new patients his web site has useful info about thyroid and other tings.

[cujos in reply to traveler65]

I'll look into it.

[traveler65 in reply to cujos]

@cujos look at this website affibers.org I just found this has a newsletter and other i nfo and a blog

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I take Flonase last 6 mos for a deviated septum and consequent stuffy nose and sinus issues,,,it affects only the nose and sinus area where sprayed so not an issue with afib for me,,,,BUT cortisone pills would possibly affect the heart since the med enters the bloodstream and is not localized in any way ,,,per my EP

[cujos]

It's not cortisone. It's Fluticasone. Thanks for the info though.

[traveler65]

@cujos I made an error--lactofermented veggies have NO vinegar that's the point if you are allergic to mold.