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Short talk on Quackery in Medicine I saw recently

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Muffin2019

Nice video , a keeper.

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EdBacon in reply to Muffin2019

Thanks. I think a lot of it comes down to hope as Lydia says.

I saw a comment recently on the forum that said something like "I'm desperate, I'll try anything right now." I completely understand that, but it makes me sad that there are people who take advantage of that vulnerability to sell unproven quackery.

The best thing we can do is to educate people so they don't fall victim to medical "treatment" scams.

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Muffin2019 in reply to EdBacon

I will stick to the tried and true, I know my life is shorten by years maybe and have come to the reality that this disease may more than likely will take me. The material things we collect is not important but people and pets are what we should live for. Material things make us comfortable through life but spiritual and relations with others are more important and harder to let go. Reality sucks in some ways but strong support through our faith in God and family, friends and caregivers are what counts.

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Tall_Allen

Thanks.

Living in my supposed memory of glory days of the past, and living in regret of past decisions and how things might have been - both are illusions I create.

Worrying that things might turn out badly, and hoping that things will turn out well - both are illusions I create.

These fictions, comforting and anxiety-producing, pull me out of the present moment when I grasp too strongly to my fictional past or my fictional future. Yet the only place that is relatively safe, known, and true is just where I am right now.

I practice mindfulness, which makes me aware of how often I escape to the past and the future, good or bad. I am only human. The best I can do is grasp less fiercely to the fictions I create, and be aware that they are fictions.

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Teaker in reply to Tall_Allen

your observations are on target…a bullseye. Thanks for the reminder to question the fantasies my brain conjures up to avoid thinking about what the present moment presents.

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anonymoose2 in reply to Tall_Allen

Wonderful write up. Between the video and your statement it should really hit home to anyone visiting this site. Incredible wisdom.

Thank you!

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MrG68

reminds me something one of my friends used to say ‘where there’s hemp, there’s hope’.

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Univs

Quackery can be found everywhere and indeed must be avoided. The solution would seem to lie through education. A quackery/hope linkage could be damaging. The 1950s hope experiments, while disgusting and inappropriate, suggest we all need a reason to keep swimming.

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Magnus1964

Speaking of ridiculous medical treatment, here are some great posts from the members on some stupid things their doctors have said:

healthunlocked.com/advanced...

Magnus

MrG68 profile image
MrG68

So funny, but I was thinking exactly the same.

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EdBacon

And for US residents, don't think you need to go somewhere like Mexico to get quack treatments, they are available right here in the US.

Things like:

Anthroposophy, Aromatherapy, Traditional cultural healing practices, Detoxification practices and therapies, Energetic healing, Gerson therapy and colostrum therapy, Healing practices using food, dietary supplements, nutrients and the physical forces of heat, cold, water and light, Herbology and herbalism, Reflexology and Reiki, Mind-body healing practices and Holistic kinesiology.

Here are just some of what's available in Nevada, a mecca for quackery where a friend of mine went off to die with the false promise of natural healing without side effects. While I was going through the side effects of chemotherapy (so terrible!) he was enjoying a nice, natural death, courtesy of one of these jack-ass "doctors".

The state of Nevada is even protecting quacks now.

sciencebasedmedicine.org/ne...

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MrG68 in reply to EdBacon

well I guess all that’s left is drug then.

Good luck with that. 🤣

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gsun in reply to EdBacon

A fellow I met is using Gerson and is doing very well. His cancer went away.But my friends Dad - long time ago - went to Mexico for treatment and died soon after, with a lot less money in his estate.

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EdBacon

Please give us the details of your cancer and how you are treating it. Which of the alternative methods are you using for your cancer?

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London441

Don’t be silly.

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maley2711 in reply to London441

seems like a reasonable question.

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London441

Yes a reasonable question Ed Bacon.

Unfortunately Londinium’s profile reads ‘nothing to see here’. Brilliant. Mr G68 has an empty profile also. You guys who won’t tell us anything about your disease aren’t helpful and it’s hard to trust you.

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MrG68

What exactly do you 'distrust'? I don't have a public profile for personal reasons - I never do on any public forum - not just this one. It's not a requirement here.

What is it you think I'm trying to achieve? Surely if I wanted to deceive people, I would put in a fake profile?

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Lrv44221 in reply to MrG68

Good for you......You don't need to have a profile here and that is ok🦊

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CAMPSOUPS in reply to Lrv44221

It's not ok!

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CAMPSOUPS in reply to Lrv44221

No profile. Its a sure sign one doesn't want to divulge the SOC care or the Active Surveillance status of their cancer so that they can promote eating pigs placentas' etc. ( your buddy MRMG68's choice of treatment ).

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Lrv44221 in reply to CAMPSOUPS

you know. Maybe it’s okay to just let it be 🦊no one knows what he may be dealing with in his life.

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EdBacon in reply to CAMPSOUPS

My guess is a lot of these people promoting alternatives here don't have cancer and are here are selling products, books and services through private messaging. They can't make money on the Standard of Care treatments. If something looks like a quack and quacks like a quack, well you know.

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Daveofnj

In the video, the speaker uses leeches as her primary example of quackery. Bad example. Plastic surgeons still use leeches to help establish blood flow to a surgical site.

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anonymoose2 in reply to Daveofnj

Just curious what would of you used if you were the speaker?

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MrG68 in reply to Daveofnj

Funny, but if you mention leeches, people recoil in horror and disgust. Yet they also used to use mercury for certain things…. and they still do. Maybe the speaker should include that as well.

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anonymoose2

Thanks for posting. With the Video and Tall Allen post it’s a home run 👍

Daveofnj profile image
Daveofnj

One hundred years from now, scientists will be laughing at today's medical treatments.

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Lrv44221 in reply to Daveofnj

yes they will just like we laugh at what went on during previous times in history

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Brianne07

loved that video! best wishes brian

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