Diet specifics?

[pd63]

Are there specifics pointing to better prostate health or just keep to a healthy balanced diet

[Tall_Allen]

We haven't found anything to add or avoid in the diet that makes a convincing difference. But keeping the body in top shape is probably the best anyone can do. As we get older and metabolism slows, and especially with ADT, it's a good idea to cut caloric intake and increase caloric use through exercise. I think variety is important - give your body and your microbiome everything they need - variety of protein sources, plant-based fats, limited and complex carbs, lots of different highly colored fruits and vegetables.

I hate to see cancer patients deny themselves the pleasures of life. I believe in a holistic approach - meaning body, mind and spirit. If one can improve the quality of one's life with the occasional rib-eye or tiramisu, it is worth it.

[pd63 in reply to Tall_Allen]

Fillet steak cooked blue and a nice bottle of amarone are my go to

[SierraSix in reply to Tall_Allen]

Tall_Allen on board with that guidence!!! I use to eat steak twice a week. I have not had red meat since I was DX'd and have been following pretty much what you describe but will do a steak once my treatment is finished..

[Gl448 in reply to Tall_Allen]

this response should be pinned.

[Hidden in reply to Tall_Allen]

Great post Allen!

[Nusch]

I benefit from whole food plant based diet a lot.

[pilot52]

Interesting, just had a great report on my infusion here in India. While Dr. Sen said she sees a slight improvement on people who eat plant based we both feel that those people usually have a higher bar all around when it comes to diet. Her concern there is lack of protein. I think you will agree if you eat clean , exercise, and not be a junk food junkie , with low quality meats or fish you are in pretty good zone. Keeping your weight off is crucial too. Thats my two cents....about to catch the freedom bird home.. Blue Skies,,,, even in Delhi today, had a strong wind and blew the smog out!

[lespaul123]

The healthiest most anti-inflammatory diet you can get your hands on. Also, The Harvard School of Public Health states - 300 minutes of aggressive walking per week lowers all cause mortality - including prostate cancer - by 61%.

A great adjunct to any treatment protocol.

[Lrv44221]

WE do well with a plant-based🍏🥦🥕🍎🥭 diet, nothing processed.

[jfoesq]

For what it's worth- I have a memory of my grandmother from abut 50 years ago. Se was living with us and had heart disease, high blood pressure and who knows what. My parents restricted her diet. One day, she snuck out of our suburban home and "went missing". My brother and I were told to get on our bicycles and locate her, as she couldn't have walked very far. We found her a few blocks away at the local deli, ordering a pastrami on rye. I always smile when I think about it. We didn't let her eat her get and eat her sandwich. I always wonder whether that was the right decision. Afterall, what is life without some joy?

My docs at MSKCC advised me to eat a "heart-healthy" diet. I stopped eating red meat and crappy foods for 5 years. Then, I started eating meat again about 5 years ago. But- I still cut back SUBSTANTIALLY on crappy food (i.e. ice cream, french fries, potato chips....)

I had a "hiccup" in my treatment (Lupron, Zytiga and Prednisone) results last year when my PSA began to appear again and it started doubling at very low levels. (to around .32) They radiated my largest of several tumors, because PSMA scan indicated it was responsible for the return and increase of PSA. I am now testing below .05 again for the last few months and keeping my fingers crossed.

[NecessarilySo]

I have read that red meat animal fat should be avoided for aPC, so I avoid beef. Anti-cancer diets recommend bright colored vegetables and low saturated fats. I like to eat foods that kill prostate cancer cells like tomato-based foods (lycopenes), black pepper and curry powder, etc.

[pd63 in reply to NecessarilySo]

I just think it's anecdotal all this diet info, just stick to recommended balanced eating is the best

[Hidden in reply to pd63]

I don’t think so pd, we have prostate cancer and need all the help we can get. I believe cutting out many of the foods mentioned here in this post, would be good idea.

[NecessarilySo in reply to pd63]

There are a ton of books about the subject. My opinion is that diet is crucial to control of cancer.

e.g. amazon.com/Cancer-Secrets-I...

[Hidden]

great post, Smarty… thanks for the links!

[BanjoPicker]

I know there are benefits to plant based diets. I justify my consumption of meat by limiting myself to only eating animals that are on plant based diets.

[maley2711 in reply to BanjoPicker]

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[Jalbom49]

I don’t believe that any science has shown a definite benefit for prostate cancer. So what diet is best for general health?

Here I think the influence of the American HeartvAssociation has been entirely negative and not science based. The Diabetic Association has not been much better.

Before I developed prostate cancer I had totally reversed long-standing diabetes with normal A1c on no medication by an ancestral keto diet and time restricted eating.

By 1940 the greatest comparative nuitrtionist Weston A. Price had determined by traveling the world and testing dietary samples that the “displacing foods of modern commerce” had consistently worsened the health of peoples worldwide.

The main components of these foods were sugar, vegatable oils, and roller processed grains.

With recent research, especially by Cris Knobbe M.D. we can now identify the so called vegetable oils, really seed and bean oils, as the chief culprit.others, like Dr Cate Shannahan in her book Deep Nutrition go into detail

Many independent doctors, including cardiologists like Arthur Agatston, of the South Beach Diet and the cardiac calcium scoring system, now agree that the fundamental cause of coronary artery disease is insulin resistance and subsequent metabolic disfunction..

Not saturated fat and cholesterol and red meat. We now know that the vegatable oils are a cause of obesity and insulin resistance, the main risk factors for heart disease.

What about autoimmune disease also implicated in heart disease? Modern hybrid wheat and other plants have been implicated. Elimination diets help people with this. Soy is another problem. The carnivores, who only eat animal products will say plants are trying to kill you.

I no longer have Graves Disease, autoimmune thyroiditis since I eliminated grains in 2013, ie wheat.

So you can be a vegetarian or a carnivore if you avoid the ultra refined oils sugar and processed grains. Vegan, not so much.

[NecessarilySo]

One fact I doubt anyone will disagree with is that Asians have less prostate cancer. There are charts all over the internet that show that. When Asians come to the U.S. the incidence rises. The obvious explanation for that is diet.

p.s. Trans fat is a contributor to heart disease. Cooking olive oil breaks it down to trans fat. If you cook olive oil, keep heat down.

A 2021 study from Japan looking at 26,464 men found that milk consumption increased the risk of prostate cancer by 37%. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[SimMartin]

It is important to distinguish between diet (and other variables) that have an effect lost diagnosis or even later in life than variables that are life long or established at a young age.