After everything else failed I resorted to applying E2 gel daily as per Richard Wassersug's suggestion. This is the ONLY thing that I have been doing for 5½ years. No side effects other than small boobs which stopped growing after about a year, and Zero doctor visits. My RP (performed 18 years ago) ended up failing, along with a subsequent, unnecessary lymph node excision. I refuse to subject myself to the nasty side effects of chemical injections.
PSA - 0.006
T - 84
E2 - 65
ALP - 86
*My lab doesn't measure PSAs lower than 0.006 so mine is considered 'undetectable'.
It has been a miracle hormone for me!
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Good for you. It is always a pleasant occasion when I see one of your postings and it contains good news. Have a great Thanksgiving holiday, my friend.
Ramp, there are many that will not agree with this kind of treatment, as this strategy may not be a good fit, thats ok too! My husband may be living past what the docs thought, but what a price to pay....he is so weak, his muscle mass is gone, but no pain, although some back pain now. We are getting scans soon to rule out the cancer spreading. Our game plan should be not stopping the ADT but adding this and seeing how the psa numbers go. He has had no surgery, or chemo or radiation so far!
You are quite welcome! Richard has been my mentor for about five years. He has been using E2 gel for almost 24 years and his PSA is still undetectable.
Ronnie, I am sorry for all of these early morning questions, I hope you have had your coffee......Does your doc prescribe this cream....I think Smurtaw has done the same, but he is not at a stage that all of us are in, God Bless Him every day and good for him, he is young!
Actually Karen, it is 23:20 here in Thailand and I am a night person so apologies are not necessary! I gave up on doctors 5 years ago after my last surgery was unnecessary. That LN surgery did nothing, along with two previous surgeries. My RP left me totally incontinent, impotent, and it didn't cure my cancer. About 17 years ago a doctor in Dallas, TX wanted me to get an MRI (for no reason) which identified a tiny mass in my left kidney which he and 2 other doctors 'thought could be' Primary Renal Cell Adenocarcinoma? None of them wanted to do a kidney biopsy because, 'if' it was cancer, a biopsy could spread the cancer. They all suggested a nephrectomy and I consented. After 5 days in the hospital my surgeon came into my room and said: "Mr. P......, I have both good and bad news for you." The good news was that it was a harmless cyst, and the bad news was that I lost my kidney for nothing!
I haven't seen a doctor since the unnecessary LN excision 5 years ago.
Most doctors know little about the transdermal estradiol gel, and wouldn't recommend it if they did since it eliminates doctor visits and the ridiculously priced ADT Lupron jabs.
I am still wondering if I should go through with the AUS implant that I have scheduled in January at Loyola Hospital in Chicago? I've been dealing with my incontinence for many years now, and at my youthful age of almost 80, is it worth traveling back to Siberia (Chicago winters) and subjecting myself to another surgery?
oh Ron, that is a decision only you can make. You are verbalizing this dilemma, I believe, that is always a good start to a well thought out decision regarding your life. I am sorry about your precious kidney, that doctor will never know your pain and suffering 🙁
Ronnie, will this help if the cancer is metastisized, if I remember correctly, Smurtaw posted about this a while back.
My cancer metastasized into my lymph nodes years ago and my surgeon who performed my RP talked me into excising all of the ones that were identified via a 68Ga PSMA PET/CT scan. Only the larger malignant LNs could be detected by this extremely sensitive scan; consequently, cutting them out did nothing but give my surgeon more money and more practice with his robot! My PSA dropped for a few months and began rising again. It was then that Richard W. convinced me to try the E2 gel. My PSA has been undetectable for over 3 years now due to using the 'gel' as my ONLY form of ADT.
man, I’ve been envious of your success and fitness using that oestrogel . None of the massive SEs I have. I asked several doctor friends I have left from my medical professional days , and “ all “ of them told me “ absolutely not “ I wasn’t in condition, that …due to my diminished cardiac and small blood vessel white matter brain involvement , it’d probable give me a stroke and / or heart attack in short order. Plus my pcp said that with my microalbumin leak in my kidneys that estrogen would further damage those as well.
I was very disappointed to hear that .. thought about doing it anyway … ( just a matter of changing when I’m gonna croak ) .. I wanted to have a life like yours ( not the urine thing tho yayahahahaya , already got one of my own ) . Thought it could be a new road to comfort and longevity. Sounds perfect for healthier guys like yourself tho. Dang it ….. yayahahahaya
I have this one 604-563-9915 ( his public posted on the web number ) plus his twitter page and email. I can talk to him and see what he thinks….. but still, with 6 other independent 2nd opinions , plus my pcp, all saying the exact same thing ( no, heck no ) … I’d be reluctant to try ,I think. Yayahahahaya. You look great and are doing great, any of us scraping the bottom of the barrel would love to be like that.
oh well …. That’s been a great med for you. It’s very tempting tho yayahahahaya. Im still here , that’s what counts most I guess. Keep us posted how your implant goes …. your description of how it works seems ideal.
Hello E2,I should be starting SBRT, in about a 6 weeks,after a mpMRI to confirm local to gland ,Gleason Seven,3.5psa(lately) ,Pca.I want to use the Oestrogel instead of ADT .Iwant to use it while getting the 10 or 20 session SBRT(haven't decided which one. But not doing the 5 sessions) Can you get me info on a4 week supply?
Thinks for your response E2.My Decipher Genomic Test put me in High Risk with .69 and I had 12/ 17 cores positive .So Urologist and RO both say ADT would be recommended. On second thought I would want enough for 10 weeks
Hello E2 -Guy ,I would want 4 tubes.. How much?I have got to get retested for hypothyroidism, tsh got a little high a couple of times ,but was OK 10 days ago.It might be because ,of not using salt w/iodine ( but can't be sure).I started sea moss 2 weeks ago ,and it went back in a normal range(that might be the reason, but can't be sure).But I want to test again.I think I read that the E2,has some relation to the thyroid gland
Some gel is on its way to Illinois. With international and domestic shipping I have to charge $35/tube. PM me for my email address and US phone number.
Hello E-2guy Do you still send or have the oestragel in the states. I have decided to get an IRE procedure for my localized lesoon and thinking that using the cream for 6 weeks before and 6 weeks after the IRE, instead of some ADT would help kill cancer and with less side effects on a 75 year old
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