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SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

Local doctor steps up prostate cancer fight

Loma Linda physician is involved in treatments showing promise in Germany while awaiting FDA's approval here

By Lori Basheda

Alan Held's scan showed more than 100 metastases.

"They were literally speckled throughout my body, in my bones," said the 64-year-old sales manager.

Doctors told him he had stagefour prostate cancer and that it had spread. They started hormone therapy and chemotherapy tablets. It was September 2018.

Seven months into treatment, Held's cancer was still in his bones. His oldest son, Josh, did some research and found that there was another option, a promising treatment for prostate cancer called "theranostics." Only problem was it was in Germany. His father would have to fly there from his Vacaville home to get it.

Held and his wife, Linda, landed in Frankfurt in September 2019 and drove two hours to Center Clinic in Bad Berka.

The following day, doctors put an IV in his arm for 30 minutes, sending molecular-targeted liquid radiation on a search-and-destroy mission. A follow-up scan showed that 80% of the metastases had vanished.

"It was very emotional," said Held, who returned to Germany in December 2019 for a second treatment, which wiped out more tumors.

A few months after that he flew to Germany for a third treatment.

"It just kept getting better," Held said. "It just kept erasing the cancer."

Nearly two years later, Held has only three small dormant spots in his body. He thanks God, the clinic and Dr. Frankis Almaguel, the director of Molecular Imaging and Therapeutics Research at Loma Linda

Vacaville resident Alan Held was diagnosed with prostate cancer and traveled to Germany to undergo therapy that is in clinical trials at Loma Linda University Cancer Center. Dr. Frankis Almaguel hopes to have FDA approval soon.

University Cancer Center, who was at the Center Clinic in Germany when Held arrived. "He walked up to me and said, 'Are you Alan from California? I'm Frankis from Loma Linda. I'm on this ride with you, my brother.'" Almaguel explained that he had been working to bring theranostics to the Loma Linda Cancer Cente and had some Loma Linda patients flying to Germany for treatment, which is why he was there.

"There's a lot of emotion when you roll though something like this," Held said. "Frankis has been an ally. He's been a lot of support in more ways than one. I'm a believer, and he even prayed with me before the first treatment. What a wonderful experience it was."

According to Almaguel, thousands of men have successfully been treated with theranostics in Germany over the past decade.

He believes the FDA is close to approving theranostics for use in the United States for prostate cancer patients. Global clinical trials are wrapping up.

"We're really close," he said. "The results are really clear. The FDA is going to have a lot of pressure if they don't approve this."

The treatment Theranostics is a mash up of the words therapeutics and diagnostics.

First comes the diagnosis. A small prostate specific cancer marker molecule is labeled with a diagnostic radio isotope and injected into the patient. Like little drones, they move through the body, seeking out tumor receptors and binding to them, lighting them up so that when doctors scan the patient, they can see where the cancer is.

"Then we change the radio isotope from diagnostic to therapeutic," Almaguel said.

This time the the drones are carrying tiny grenades. "They go only to cells that have cancer and detonate that cell," Almaguel said. "It's amazing technology."

It's also very different than current cancer treatments, which are largely trial and error.

"We give a patient chemo and see in three months if it's working," Almaguel said. "Elon Musk is going into space and we're still playing the chance game in cancer."

Also, chemo kills all cells, not just cancer cells.

"You don't have to burn the whole forest down if you know what tree is causing the problem," Almaguel said.

Because it's so precise, theranostics has few, if any, side effects. Held said he had none.

"It's kind of a dream for cancer therapy," Almaguel said.

Loma Linda has a theranostics clinic set up; it's just waiting for FDA approval. Almaguel is hopeful they will be able to offer the treatment by the the beginning of 2022.

In the meantime, Loma Linda is equipped to take patients for the diagnostic part (insurance often covers the imaging). Patients must still fly to Germany for the treatment.

Almaguel has worked with more than 100 prostate cancer patients since 2018, some in trials, others who were approved on a compassionate use basis (something the FDA allows for patients who have run out of options).

Held is one of his best success stories. "He had hundreds of metastases, including a huge one in his spine," Almaguel said. "He was told he could do nothing else but walk, no high-risk impact. Eight months after this therapy he was back skiing at Lake Tahoe." Almaguel has seen others like Held who responded brilliantly, but while some patients have needed only one round of therapy, others require up to a dozen or so.

"I think Alan is going to die of something else, not prostate cancer," Almaguel said.

Held, who was told he had up to five years to live by the first doctors who diagnosed him, agrees.

"Like Frankis said, I'll die of something else. I'm feeling great right now," he said. "I feel this should be here in the U.S."

Almaguel, whose specialties are nuclear medicine and radiation oncology, says theranostics is one more weapon in the cancerfighting arsenal.

"We need different guns to kill the same disease," he said. "So that if the front door is closed we have a side door and if that is closed we have a window."

He is developing molecules at the Loma Linda clinic that he hopes in the future can be sent in to find and treat breast cancer and glioblastomas, currently a death-sentence brain cancer.

"This is exciting. It's very exciting." he said. "We can win this war."

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Tall_Allen profile image
Tall_Allen

Many here have used it. Put Lu-177 in the search bar.

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Schwah in reply to Tall_Allen

Is theranostics and Lu-177 one in the same ?

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Tall_Allen in reply to Schwah

For now. Although Lu 177-PSMA-617 can be used as a diagnostic with a gamma camera, it is rarely used that way. In practice it is paired with Pylarify or GA- 68 PSMA-11.

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tango65

It refers to Lu 177 PSMA treatment. I had it in 2016 at the Technical University of Munich. It was painless and with very few side effects. Some fatigue for 24 hours and some edema caused by the large amount of fluid they gave me which resolved with a dose of Lasix. I had lymph nodes metastases only according to Ga 68 PSMA studies done in the USA and in Germany. One treatment made all the mets PSMA negative and they have remained negative so far.

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Pops78 in reply to tango65

Any problems with Liver, Kidney's, or any other that can be side effects I've read about?

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TeleGuy in reply to tango65

I would say that 177Lu is an instance of theranostics. There are other payloads that these molecules can deliver than radiation. For example there have been clinical trials using molecules with PSMA affinity to deliver chemotherapeutic payloads to prostate cancer cells.

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GP24

I also had it done. Tango and I were still castrate-sensitive when we got the treatment.

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lokibear0803 in reply to GP24

Hi GP24, this is a question that’s been on my mind. I’m still castrate-sensitive, though with lymph-node mets (visible on PSMA scans only, not visible on standard scans) ... then you’re saying the clinics in Munich and Bad Berka do (or, at least they *did*) accept CSPC? I believe I’m considered M0-N1, if I recall. Thanks for your help on this.

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GP24 in reply to lokibear0803

They usually do not accept CSPC patients but they sometimes make exceptions. I had a very hard time to convince the doctors to treat me.

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gyancey in reply to lokibear0803

I was CSPC when I had two treatments at Bad Berka. I was treated by Dr. Richard Baum who told me he feels that the treatment is more effective in the CSPC situation. I had mets in the lymph nodes, spine, and ribs. The treatment was very effective.

Note to anyone thinking about treatment at Bad Berka, Dr. Baum is no longer there. His clinic is now right outside of frankfurt.

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lokibear0803 in reply to gyancey

My thanks to both GP24 and gyancey . I did notice that Baum has relocated, and this raises the question — do we believe I should focus directly on Dr Baum, or is the clinic at Bad Berka a perfectly fine choice regardless? I notice from Baum’s new contact info that he’s doing Peptide Receptor Radionuclide Therapy (PRRT, from prrtinfo.org) ... is this the same thing as Lu-177?

Finally, could we clarify, should I be on ADT when I get the treatment? GP24, any tips on how to persuade them as you did?

Many thanks in advance to all who take a moment to help me.

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gyancey in reply to lokibear0803

If it were me, I would stick with Baum. He has a ton of experience with this treatment and I found him to be very thorough in his approach. Plus getting to Bad Berka is a flog! He was very clear that I should stay on ADT while getting treatment. Not sure about PRRT but would assume it's the same.

Good luck and I'm happy to answer any questions you have.

Cheers!

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lokibear0803 in reply to gyancey

Thanks! I may be circling back to you after my next scan...

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GP24 in reply to lokibear0803

I think PRRT is a term for Lu177, Ac225, Lu-DOTATATE and FAPI therapy. I took Bicalutamide as a neoadjuvant and adjuvant therapy because I was not eligable for Enzalutamide.

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KAgolf in reply to lokibear0803

My husband is also N1, MO--his "suspicious nodes were iliac nodes in pelvis. What treatment(s) or drugs have you taken? Hubby had proton therapy and trying to decide if he need Zytiga which is for metastatic and or castrate resistant, which he is not, but 1 oncologist is pushing it.

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Engman713

Being new to this group, I'll take a look at the prior Lu-177 posts. This approach sounds very encouraging.

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kaptank

Also, google the VISION trial.

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KAgolf

Isn't this the same approach that MSK is taking with their Pylarify PSMA imaging and the Lu-PSMA-617 for treatment/therapy? Imaging FDA approved but waiting on the treatment to be approved.... sounds very promising

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