Zytiga does not help sea sickness!

[DMohr011]

I am new to this club here, newly diagnosed in November. Before the storm comes, I am taking advantage of my time, getting out to enjoy life, and wanted to share a fun experience with you.

I love to Kayak fish. Bought a fishing kayak 5 years ago. All of our camping and vacation trips include the kayak. Motion sickness has always been a problem in the ocean. Usually a good dose of Dramamine does the trick.

I have a always had a goal to catch a Yellowtail in the Kayak. The fishing and weather report for La Jolla, CA looks great, so what the heck! Loaded up on the Dramamine the night before, and took another dose with my Zytiga at 4 am.

Was really hoping the fuzzy head and kinda tired feeling of the Zytiga would also help. But no, it didn't!

Fishing for two hours, and then the old dizzy illness hit. and hit hard! It was fierce and strong. That gut emptying heaving, over and over, trying to throw it all over the side. After the clean up, kept on a fishing. There was no way my I was going to leave this ocean.

It was one of those mornings, when your on the water at day break, with no wind, and the waves were nil. Just the swells, those constant swells, and good fishing.

I fished a total of 7 hours and threw up 5 separate times. All full bore, gut emptying - you guys know that feeling. But the fishing was great! I didn't catch a Yellowtail yet and kept a couple of rockfish for taco's. We are here for another week, so more adventure to come!

Many have said here, take advantage of the times when you feel good. I feel this time is the calm before the storm for me. I will have my first scans next week, then meeting with the Dr. who no doubt will have plans.

Figured there a lot of people on this forum that love to fish, and can relate with this, or will have a good laugh at my adventure!

So, if anyone is wondering if Zytiga helps with seasickness, I say 'NO'!

Tight Lines!

Dave

[Boywonder56]

Dm:...read your bio welcome to club noone wants to join....you have found a grate group of guys and their support partners. Also welcome to the .04 percent club ...those of us with the dreaded ductal hystologyI too am a gl9 ...but with mets.....i got in titan trialso i have been on erleada and lupron for 4.5years....am a erleadz cheerleader i guess zytiga is an applutamide also?.....welcome again

[Boywonder56 in reply to Boywonder56]

I see its not....i would talk to docs about lupron/erleada.....hit it hard .....

[DMohr011 in reply to Boywonder56]

Greetings fellow ductal fighter! I am also on Lupron. So far so good. What positive impact it is having for me is TBD, but my body is working with it well, so far.

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Good size minnow you snagged.

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I've heard of chumming when shark fishing...but when kayak fishing...that's a novel approach

[Kaliber in reply to Hidden]

Lol 👏👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️

[Hidden in reply to Kaliber]

I see the west coast Boys are hitting they keystrokes.

[Kaliber in reply to Hidden]

I was gonna talk about my years of guiding “ tide kayaking “ trips in Moro Bay estuary and Monterey Bay but I was too tired yayahahaha. True QOL list stuff. All of us talking about grabbing some rays before the sun sets .... a little sad isn’t it! 😂😂😂😂❤️❤️❤️

[DMohr011 in reply to Kaliber]

Exactly!

I love Moro Bay! One of our favorites!

I asked my Doc for prescription seasickness med's. His helper said, no - had nothing to do with my cancer. I argued, made all the points about QQL. Didn't work!

[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

I know ..... I know .....

Tell me about it. I use j-o-h-n’s doctor , Dr Vinney boombah. Those guys aren’t helpful at all.

I asked the doctor if my heart was strong enough for sex ?

He said “ not if I joined in “.

Then he told me I needed exercise .... to run 5 miles a day for two weeks !!!

I had to call him up and complain ....I was 70 miles from home.

Doctors !!! Whaddayougonnado .....

[Fightinghard in reply to Kaliber]

Kaliber. Great stories. And as many of us know, a great story/memory can be almost as fun as actually doing it again. Hang in there buddy.

[Kaliber in reply to Fightinghard]

Those are famous doctor jokes made by the famous comedian Rodney Dangerfield. Type “ top 10 Rodney Dangerfield Doctor jokes “ into Google to see. The delivery is the key. Watch his videos to get the full impact.Yayahahahaya

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[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

My standard Moro Bay ride was to take the Kayaks ( I had kayaks on a trailer ) and kayakers to the special kayak dock - rental service in the marina located in the estuary overflow parking ....Across from the entrance into the state park. Careful study of the tide app , choosing a launch time just before high tide .... 20 -30 minutes or so. Launching then allows the paddle free tide transportation back to the shallow end near Montana Del Oro state park and the sand spit state park area. Stay there enjoying the pristine dense mammal and bird sea life, explore the sand spit until the tide reverses ( avoid the shallow main channel if the fog is too dense ) Then paddle out ...aim your boat towards the rock / downtown and enjoy one of the most exotic , near paddle free, world class rides anywhere. When finally downtown, paddle over and tie up at the public docks and take the stairs up to any one of the amazing bay view restaurants there. Eat , drink, and enjoy until you see the boats tied up in the bay go neutral or slight up tide and paddle back out and let the tide take you back to the estuary launch dock. Near ZERO paddling required using tide power, super easy even for a novice .... your fill of the most wonderful coastal kayaking you can experience, great Moro Bay seafood and wine experience and hardly break a sweat having that fun yayahahahaya yayahahahaya.

I had additional trips .... one a easy winter visit to the water reed forest in Mendota Slough. Launching in the secure private ramp at the highway / bait shop.

Then another jaw dropper ...a trip to the estuary and wild river reed forest at Moss Landing near Monterey. Tide trip inland for a sea life experience to behold .. tide trip / paddle all the way back out, right around the corner, landing on the sand Oceanside beach of Phil’s Fish Market and eatery .... easy trailer the kayaks ( Phil has a special alley ...road to beach for this ) then help yourself to the amazing Cioppino and fresh seafood meals and live music entertainment as only Phil’s can provide. A unique world class kayaking experience you will never forget.

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[Kaliber in reply to Kaliber]

Most everyone I took out was between 60 and 85 years old and not exactly in their best physical shape. A tide ride adventure for them left them excited, stoked, and ready to go again. Without tide riding they probably couldn’t have made the trip paddling full time. It’s perfect for the more mature enthusiast.

I have some great kayaking photos in my Facebook album collection if anyone wants to see it them. 😁

[DMohr011 in reply to Kaliber]

Hey Kaliber - I totally see that ride. That tide is super strong and you know how to work with it! I rolled my Kayak for the first time fishing North of Morro bay, launched up at Cambria in 4 - 6 foot surf. I should have slept in that day!

I spent some days fishing Coos Bay, and same is true there with the tides. Go with the tide flow or you will burn up in a kayak! Took me a day to figure it out, but then I got it, and rode the tides! Caught my first Chinook that time!

Cant wait to go back to Morro. I will be up the Oregon Coast this August, Chemo Gods willing!

[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

Yep ... those tidal basin and estuary tide flows can be extreme ...especially at max outflow and super tides. Even the most fit and experienced would find those difficult to navigate at all. The obverse being when utilized rather than fought ... can produce an exhilarating effortless and fun ride. I got swept out past Moro rock my first ride there , being stupid about tides. It was going where it wanted, nothing I could do about it yayahahahaya I just absolutely love that highly exotic ride there in the bay. You can have three totally different experiences or combined rides.

From experience I should warn that “ never “ approach those large / huge flocks of migratory birds there in the estuary .... I’ve done it once and spooked them .... about 7 of us in the group of kayaks .... when they take off into the air the light blacks out and it gets dark and it suddenly starts raining bird poop ... truck loads of poop .... omg ... you never want that experience yayahahahaya yayahahahaya ewwwwwwwwwwww

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[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

I just learned I can add pics ...

Foggy Moro bay with Moro rock in background

[DMohr011 in reply to Kaliber]

Love that pic! Wish I were there right now....

[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

Me too brother ... June - July peak months usually.

In the background of this pic is the specialized kayak launching dock. It’s located in the marina in the estuary, in the overflow parking for Moro Bay state park. There’s a cute little sidewalk restaurant there too in the same parking lot.

For about $10 , you can back your trailer right up to the marina dock catwalk and carry your boats to the easy launch dock. You just leave your rig parked right there. If you come back late and the dock is closed, it’s kewl .... just disembark on the dock and reload your boats even if no one is there. The marina security gate is open from the inside , just don’t forget and let it close before you are finished. It just doesn’t get any easier. Grab a mocha and a avocado - sprouts sandwich and unwind in the kewl little sidewalk restaurant to savior the moment.

Just say’in 😁😁😁❤️❤️❤️

Kayak launching dock to state park estuary

[DMohr011 in reply to Kaliber]

Yup, I remember that spot and little restaurant. We were there for 10 days last year and stayed at a great RV park just to the North of the rock where we could walk to everything. Surf perch fishing was the best. Dang those are good to eat!

[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

Years ago I could have bought one of the little trailers in that little park right in the middle of Moro Bay for $285 a month. I still kick myself for passing on the offer. Monterey and Moro Bay / Pismo were in my wife’s territory she covered for her medical job. We were over there many times a year , always on the company dime ( we stayed up in Moonstone Beach while we were there ). She’d drop me off with my gear at the public dock there near the Tiki place and I’d unfold my aluminum chair and gear and fish right off the pier, no license needed there. Usually there were 8-10 other old guys there fishing too. I learned how to catch large crabs with shrimp ( no hook ) from them and I showed them my secret I learned from using fresh water catfish bait ( frozen beef and chicken livers and cooked liver balls ) on how to catch stingrays, dabs a those long thin ( 8- 10” ) slender fish . ( I forget what they were called ) catching , that way, was so heavy ... you could fill two thirds a 5 gallon bucket quickly. The professional fishermen prized those for bait for something or other...the 10” the best. The pro’s would come over from the commercial pier and bring things like a big snapper , red something or others ...rockfish maybe and some BIG crabs. They traded for the buckets full of those long slender fish that were hiding under the dock yayahahahaya. You could off as many of those as you could catch. They’d send their little kids over to check for more.

Stingrays fought the hardest and could tire you out after a few. They were actually very friendly and had that cute little smile on their faces and enjoyed having their bellies rubbed. I always threw everything back except the bait fish ... I always kept the fish the fishermen brought , everything they brought was exactly what you wanted yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. That modest little 2nd floor restaurant down by the chocolate shop was happy to prepare your “ catch “ for you.

Those were great days. We’d have to pay our own way now, tho .... and I don’t know if I’m physically able anymore. I could get one of those great “ fishing wagons “ the pier guys use ( hammer could pull that ) and with my new found mobility ( etrike and bumper hitch power transport ) I might be able to get out there and salt water fish again. Just sitting there in that fog, ocean ambiance and sea gulls , seals barking, exotic salt air is worth it alone. This is definitely going up near the top of my QOL list. I’m actually starting to check off things on my list now .... there is no reason this wouldn’t be possible too. Did first Eaton trail and big lake loop runs already, the zoo trip projected for Tuesday ( had to buy a annual pass to bypass the reservation and time limit obstacles ) and lining up Monterey Tides after my Zometa pain train wears off after the the week of the 8th.

times is awasting , I want to play in the sunshine before those thundering steps I hear way back behind me ...actually catch up. Yayahahahaya ya

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[DMohr011 in reply to Kaliber]

That is a great story!

I bet that scooter of yours can be equipped with those large sand tires!

[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

The ew-38 is considered a ( sort of )off the road trike with taller and wider wheels than other ew products. The public pier in Moro Bay is wheel chair accessible, flat from parking lot at the Tiki restaurant straight out on the pier. The fishermen drive trucks out there all the time. Just not allowed to park there. Ebikes , scooters etc. are limited by California law to 750 watts or less ( mine 700 ) and less than 18 mph. ( mine does the limit ). e-motors that small don’t have much torque.... even my 750 watt ebikes needed pedaling help up steep inclines

I had to sell these when my bones got eaten away and brittle from cancer and Zometa. Too dangerous , fall over risk, when mounting and dismounting .... esp the double sprung mountain bike. Sad ...

Fat tire, off road, ebikes

[DMohr011 in reply to Kaliber]

The rocks to the West of the rock are pretty cool

Morro Rock Rocks

[DMohr011 in reply to DMohr011]

Hungry seagulls see the chip bag thru the windshield!

Beach video

[DMohr011 in reply to DMohr011]

Sunsets are the best!

Moro Bay sunset

[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

Yayahahahaya and people talk about pigeons being flying rats. Those suckers can pull your wipers off your car and fly away before you can blink. Don’t even think about falling down with a bag of chips in your hand yayahahahaya yayahahahaya.

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[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

Wow that’s some exotic looking rocks , looks like the tide can get right up in there sometimes too. I don’t think I ever saw those in Moro bay , west of the Rock is open ocean unless this is that rock jetty and the sand spit opening. The end of the jetty light looks right. Looks like could be a super low tide event ive missed or ( likely ) it’s changed since I’ve been there. I’ll give it a look, I should be back there before long. It’s been over three years now ... since I got sick. Kewl pic

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[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

I also fly drones. I’m a registered UAV pilot and fly Phantom 4s. Here is a picture of the hammer and myself photographing ourselves at Millerton State Park. I have one 4 with Full HD FPV . Using that is like actually being in the drone when it’s flying. I can use the drone to take my fishing line out and dropping it in that special spot where the fish are surfacing yayahahahaya

Dji phantom 4 drone photo ...

[DMohr011 in reply to Kaliber]

That is a great idea! Drop that bait right on the spot.

[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

Yea, it works great .... makes everyone else mad tho yayahahahaya 😂😂😂

[DMohr011 in reply to Kaliber]

I can totally see that. If you were fishing anywhere near me, you would be my best friend!

[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

Well drones are noisy .... but when you are pulling them out of the sweet spot below the dam and no one else is catching anything at all... they get angry and complain about the noise. Some of the Asian fishermen bring 12’ or more rods that can cast far, but no competition for a drone. There are plenty of remote line release devices on the market, but those make the feds nervous. I just use a small piece of that thick white double stick tape on the landing gear. You can put on a longish piece of line and dangle the bait in the water with the drone, if the raceway is real rocky ( so you won’t hang up ) ... when the trout hits , it rips off the drone easily. Otherwise you can just whip your rod to get it to release. Feels like cheating sometimes yayahahahaya.

[treedown in reply to Kaliber]

If you had looked up I would of had that selfie I wanted.

[Kaliber in reply to treedown]

Ok ...ok .... this selfie is new :

When the hammer met me ...

[treedown in reply to Kaliber]

I remember this one. Everything healed up on top ?

[Kaliber in reply to treedown]

Ok, I changed it ...

[Kaliber in reply to treedown]

Yea I guess things have healed…. But a lot of meat disappeared and that leaves a mess and it bothers me all the time. Thanks for asking. I had a swarm of those ( 11 ) break out on my nose and right forearm that I killed myself . The fun just keeps on coming yayahahaha yayahahaha.

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[treedown in reply to Kaliber]

You and Scott could have been a great Starsky and Hutch in your younger years.

[Kaliber in reply to treedown]

Scott for sure, I’m probably too nerdy yayahahaha yayahahaha Scott is Mr Cool.

[Kaliber in reply to Kaliber]

Foraging catfish , very large ones, bump into your boat and since the water is only inches deep, you can grab them if you take care with the stinging fins... to look at them. Tens of thousands of water fowl of many different species winter there and wintering birds are comfortable around humans. The wildlife show is amazing.

Winter Reed forest at Mendota slough.

[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

This was my kayak rig , thank goodness for back up cameras . Yayahahahaya. This thing bounced all over the place on rough roads. Extra ratchet straps a must. Had a third one, another single sit on top kayak. All mine were used when I bought them but still worked great , fixed a hatch cover here , scupper plugs there and web strap over. there, but never any real issues. Never flew off on the freeway yayahahahaya yayahahahaya.

A single and double on my trailer.

[DMohr011 in reply to Kaliber]

Nice! Those look solid!

[DMohr011 in reply to DMohr011]

Gey the sail on!

Hobie

[treedown in reply to DMohr011]

I had a sail on my kayak and it did not end well. Sails at the bottom if the lake somewhere in northern WI now.

[Kaliber in reply to treedown]

😂😂😂😂

[DMohr011 in reply to Kaliber]

My Hobie kayak has the peddle drive so I rarely have to paddle. Some say it's cheating but they really cut the water.

If it's too windy to fish, I have a sail for it. Such a blast in high winds, flipping over at times!

[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

I always wondered how those rode .... seems like a no brainer if you have to handle fishing rods at the same time. I was too poor to buy those high end boats ...never see those used around here. I ride the tides basically, little to no paddling at all that way yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. Lazy man’s kayaking yayahahahaya. Never used a sail .

[Kaliber in reply to Kaliber]

Kites are good tho ....

Go fly a kite

[DMohr011 in reply to Kaliber]

That picture of my yak is from Big Bear Lake, CA. Cost me $75 to sail for one day at that lake!

Kids got me the sail for Father's day and I couldn't wait to use it. Never been to Big Bear before and stayed at one of the rv parks. Then I find out about a permit required for kayaks. OK. I figured they had to pay for those floating outhouses!

So I load my kayak back on the truck and haul it down to the check station, thinking this might be a $10 permit. Had to unload and pull all my gear out of the truck, anything that hit water, they had to see it. OK. When they saw the sail the one lead lady made a comment, about another category. Of course, I'm special and we go inside looking shit up. She shows me the regs, and because there is a sail it threw this permit into a frickin large sailing vessel and a one day permit was $75.00 . Per day!

Just how bad did I want to sail? I paid the lady and sailed the shit out of it that day! First boat I see is a sherrif boat, checking for my $75 permit. Could only imagine the fine if I didn't have it!

Floating restrooms. WTH?

[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

Yayahahaha …. Man it always seems people are out to get into your wallet. Plus at big bear they try to make it expensive and difficult to thin out the whey . That goes on everywhere tho. I want to go to the large local zoo with my etrike set up. It’s on my QOL list. To get in you have to claim a reservation on the web. Those are booked up weeks ahead and the cooler morning tickets nearly impossible to get. Worse you have a set time you have to check out by. Each visit is time limited. Tickets are $15 per adult.

However…… if you buy the $125 annual pass, no reservations and no time limits apply. Plus you can get two adults in on the one pass. Basically it’s extortion to make you pay more and buy the pass. I’m screwed because my drug induced intestinal instabilities ( I have to carry a porta potty in my truck and drive sitting on large plastic garbage bags. ) prevent me from being sure about meeting a entry time appointment. I have to buy the pass.

It’s the new “ screw your wallet “ fad.

Far as I know all Cal State parks with big lakes have the S.S. Relief. floating potty’s. They do up here anyway.

I’ve been in love with the thought of sailing. When I lived in central Fla back in the early 60s ( 11,000 Lakes in Orange County alone ) those sail boards ( thick surfboard with a sail in the middle ) were common , very popular . I had one someone gave me in my yard but circumstances came up ( biker club ) that prevented me from ever doing it back then. Everyone had a little , to a big lake nearby. I always wished I had played with those . A friend loaned me his 19’ sailboat in the Millerton marina once but there wasn’t any wind much, that day, I used the small motor all day long. Just as well as I didn’t know what I was doing. I sold my 17 ‘ fish and ski boat after I got sick …. along with my Harley. It was a Fisher dual sport. I started with a tiny 12’ aluminum boat and worked my way up to the Fisher over 20 years , only to have to sell it when the hammers retirement came. The hammer held and probably still does ( for 12 years ) , the Millerton lake record for small mouth spotted black bass … it was around 9.5 pounds or so. Her name is on the board inside the ranger station. I did a lot of bass fishing , always live bait tho yayahahaha. I cheat. I’ll never bass boat fish or sail again now . Rats ….. yayahahaha

Hammers record fish

[Kaliber in reply to Kaliber]

The days that might have been … before cancer….. 🙁

Grandson Alex on my ex hog, ex Fisher in background.

[Fightinghard in reply to Kaliber]

Get up early and its easier to grab some morning rays.

[Kaliber in reply to Fightinghard]

Huh !!! Yea .... I really like that perspective ...... groovy. Waking up at all is a great day for us guys.... huh ?

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[Fightinghard in reply to Kaliber]

Absolutely right

[AlanMeyer]

I must say Dave, this is the first posting I've ever read where a guy mentions throwing up "full bore, gut emptying" five separate times and follows that with an account of how much he enjoyed fishing. You are one tough SOB and I admire the hell out of you.

If you haven't tried it, you might try meclizine in place of the usual dramamine. It seems to work better for me against motion sickness and nausea but it can make you very sleepy. You need to take it an hour before you plan to get sick. It's available under various trade names including Bonine and even Dramamine.

See: drugs.com/compare/dramamine... for info, reviews, brand names, etc.

[DMohr011 in reply to AlanMeyer]

I realize it may have been a bit too descriptive, but then again, I did leave out some colorful details!

[Kaliber in reply to DMohr011]

Lol 👏👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️

[treedown in reply to DMohr011]

Do tell! For some sick reason I want he hear the colorful details.

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Welcome aboard Dave! Great beach behind you . Zytiga I know not personally but it’s adt side effects like the rest. “ Dr. Who “ plans to save you .. please tell us what the dr and scans say? I get sea sick just hearing about it. I had extreme nausea my first years and was dizzy a lot. Just being on the water is healing . Welcoming you to the club that no man really wanted to join. You can fight through this like the rest of us have . You’ve found the best place for info .. Keep your head up . Scott

[larry_dammit]

I have suffered from motion sickness since a child. Dramamine hurts my prostate. So I switched to ginger. Works for me. Lasts about 4 hours. Keep fighting the monster , never give up 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[mrscruffy]

worst day fishing is better than the best day working

[Marcev]

That is what I call dedicated! How far off shore do you go?

[DMohr011 in reply to Marcev]

1 mile out, was fishing 100 - 140 feet of water. Its like being a big bobber out there!

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As a 74 year old chummer, I tried everything from Dramamine it Scopalomine, nothing worked until I wore Sea Bands...... even in 6 to 8 foot seas with no horizon.

GD

[DMohr011 in reply to Hidden]

Yup, had one of those on too! I actually brought one of my old transderm scop patches, and didn't use it till today.

[DMohr011]

Went out again today, but put on the 'patch'. Transderm Scop. This worked and i have three days of use.

Funny - my wife claims my PC came from sitting on my ass in the kayak all last summer! Claims that inflamed and irritated it.

[j-o-h-n]

Seasick???

Eat two pounds of stewed tomatoes before you go fishing.

Will that keep me from getting sick?

Nope, but it'll look pretty in the water.

Your wife was on the right track that sitting in a kayak will give you a wack in your crack.

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 04/30/2021 8:02 PM DST

[Fightinghard]

Welcome Dave

Glad to have you but sad to see you join.

This group can provide amazing PC knowledge or help keep up your spirits when you hit a bump.

Fishing sounds fun but seasickness not so much.

[TottenhamMan]

Looking good Dave. Watch out for that kayak, the rumour is that overusing it causes prostate cancer.

[DMohr011 in reply to TottenhamMan]

If I start pissing blood this week, she is going to be upset....But well worth it!

[DMohr011]

I ended up fishing a total of 4 days. Only got sick this first day. Such a dumb ass I am - i brought along a trasderm scop patch, and didn't want to use it right away, thinking the Dramamine would do it!

Never caught any Yellowtail. I will have to go back when the bite it better. Plenty of rock fish.

I need to get more of this in before the storm! I am at that stage where i feel so damn good it is hard to believe this beast is inside.