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The World reopens; any plans?

Twoofus
Twoofus

My oncologist is most adamant about my continuing to shelter in place until further notice. He even includes my grandchildren in the “don’t be around them” listing.

The US is joining other parts of the world in trying to get parts of our lives back. This should be a slow process, and success is not guaranteed. There seems to be a significant listing of problems we face due to shortcomings and problems with what our country has done/not done to date. My two young grandsons have better judgement than that.

It appears I will remain at home (I do go to most doctor visits) indefinitely. At least my wife is with me: without Lupron, Zytiga, and other meds the last last few months may have been a hell of a honeymoon.

Do any of you have plans which are superior to mine.

Doug. ✌️

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I'm in the middle of chemo right now, so whether the world is open or not makes little deference to me. I'm certainly not going to visit family, as they generally live within an hour of NYC. My mom's neighbor has Covid-19.

My plans are to spend as much time as health, appointments, and weather allow isolating at our property in Vermont. This does involve travel between states, but as long as the car doesn't break down there's no interaction with people.

I am somewhat of an introvert. I only appear extroverted when standing next to my wife.

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p
in reply to tom67inMA

Heal yourself in that Vermont beauty ! Sounds like a great plan to me.nature heals us... Good luck getting through the chemo . Then a sound recovery to you shall come. Opposites attract . You’re standing together . Much power in that ..Hang in there Tom💪🤙🏽....

If you remain in at home and isolate yourself you are only delaying the unavoidable, everyone, sooner or later will be infected.

Read THE LANCET by professor Johan Giesecke:

thelancet.com/journals/lanc...

These facts have led me to the following conclusions. Everyone will be exposed to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, and most people will become infected. COVID-19 is spreading like wildfire in all countries, but we do not see it—it almost always spreads from younger people with no or weak symptoms to other people who will also have mild symptoms. This is the real pandemic, but it goes on beneath the surface, and is probably at its peak now in many European countries. There is very little we can do to prevent this spread: a lockdown might delay severe cases for a while, but once restrictions are eased, cases will reappear. I expect that when we count the number of deaths from COVID-19 in each country in 1 year from now, the figures will be similar, regardless of measures taken.

tom67inMA
tom67inMA
in reply to Gemlin_

Are you suggesting we should all rush out and get infected right now? At the very least that would cause quite a load spike for the health care and mortuary systems.

Infection is not unavoidable. Once the majority of the population has had the virus and is presumably immune to it, the virus will have increasing trouble spreading because of the dwindling number of vulnerable people.

Gemlin_
Gemlin_
in reply to tom67inMA

NO, we must flattening the curve with social distancing to relieve the pressure on the health care system. Please understand that we only pushes the severe cases who needs hospital care into the future. The area below the curve represents almost all humans on earth. Death toll is maybe (nobody knows) 0.1% meaning 10.000 death in Sweden, 300.000 in US.

tom67inMA
tom67inMA
in reply to Gemlin_

Agree with flattening the curve, disagree that it won't affect the area under the curve. The infectious dose can determine the severity of the disease, so social distancing can make some cases less severe.

jackcop
jackcop
in reply to Gemlin_

I used to say that the moon is made of green cheese. After Neil Armstrong and others I can no longer say that. But I can speculate that everyone will be infected with COVID-19 . Hopefully after a vaccine I will no longer be able to say that and go to my next speculation: China was developing a biological weapon and the new virus escaped on the heel of a careless worker.

I speculate, you speculate, he speculates, we all speculate. Look at the data, not guesses about this and that.

Gemlin_
Gemlin_
in reply to jackcop

Agree, everyone speculates but some speculate better than others (an certently better than me), like Giesecke, former state epidemiologist, former Chief Scientist at the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, member of the Strategic and Technical Advisory Group for Infectious Hazards of the World Health Organization, advisor to the Public Health Agency of Sweden.

dentaltwin
dentaltwin
in reply to Gemlin_

Most public health authorities disagree with Giesecke. See Eric Topol's response on Twitter:

twitter.com/EricTopol/statu...

Gemlin_
Gemlin_
in reply to dentaltwin

Who is Eric Topol? What are his merits in epidemiology? Very few health authorities are epidemiologists.

dentaltwin
dentaltwin
in reply to Gemlin_

He's a cardio and researcher at Scripps. We could have dueling epidemiologists, if you like.

startribune.com/covid-19-ca...

Gemlin_
Gemlin_
in reply to dentaltwin

Thank's for the link. Osterholm speculates that 70% will be infected. Giesecke speculates in 100%. Not much of a duel. :)

Don't ask an RO about surgery. Don't ask a surgeon about radiation. Don't ask a cardio researcher about epidemiology.

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p
in reply to Gemlin_

Good come back . But dentaltwin ain’t no slouch either. We are all friendly here together trying to help each other. Fascinating post . Scary world right now . No need to

Promote more . Peace to you and may covid spare your family . If 100% get infected then I’m a goner. I doubt if I could withstand it . Take care

dentaltwin
dentaltwin
in reply to Gemlin_

I wish you all the luck. I know that Sweden has decided to go their own way, and I hope it works for you.

As the great Dane Neils Bohr reputedly said. "It's difficult to make predictions, especially about the future."

dentaltwin
dentaltwin
in reply to Gemlin_

The aim is to become immune without dying. If I delay catching it for a year, I might have a better chance of surviving until there are therapeutics and/or vaccines.

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p
in reply to Gemlin_

I understand what you’re saying. The total morbidity rate while covid 19 is present will be astounding. Now NY is seeing this strange form Kawasaki disease in kids. Horrifying for young families. May God have mercy on humanity!🙏

You got to do what you feel you got to do.

Nalakrats

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Twoofus
Twoofus
in reply to Hidden

I presented a real and important issue which everyone here will need to address. I believe it needed to be brought up.

If my post is offensive to others, I do apologize. I wish everyone the best as you continue your struggles against prostate cancer.

It is very difficult.

Garbonzeaux
Garbonzeaux
in reply to Hidden

I totally agree with Nalakrats. PLEASE do not infect this forum with partisan politics, that's not what we're here for. Just turn on your TV and you'll get your fill of it in minutes, if that's what you're after. Also, consider that by insulting the intelligence of our brothers who may not agree with you politically, you make it more likely that they will ignore your posts in the future, even when you have something useful to say.

My state supports your state financially. You’re welcome. And my elected officials helped me (and millions of other Americans) get affordable healthcare before I was eligible for Medicare. Thank goodness for elected officials who want US healthcare to be affordable to all.

Not responding to Political Dribble.

pilot52
pilot52
in reply to Nalakrats

Let me see......I thought there were Blue States and Grey States at one time....then we once again became the United States .....When I fly Angel Flights I never thought to ask them their political views.....hmmmmmmmmm ....Blue Skies , Sky King and Penny..

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p
in reply to pilot52

I thought that we were supposed to be talking about the “ prostate “ not a damed civil war again. We have one common foe . Prostate cancer . I love everyone . World peace would be nice. Thank you ! For the angel flights🙏

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p
in reply to Nalakrats

Bravissimo maestro !

I will probably stay put, at least till June. That is not hard, the weather is crappie here.

pilot52
pilot52
in reply to Magnus1964

We are having beautiful weather now that the twisters have calmed down....50 this morning and 74 today.....lots of spring work to do in the yard and fly once a week....however we hit the 90s next week....but hey summer is here in central Georgia..blue skies my friend

Everything is kinda distilled down to simple terms now.

The country can’t continue to go on shut down , if so everything collapses and there is no supply chain, food, etc. the economy drops into depression.. there is no country

A vast number of people live paycheck to paycheck... they are two months behind in their apartment rent, two months behind on their car and insurance payments, their health care is linked to their jobs , they have two children and can barely buy food for themselves

There is a basic baseline of infection present in the population as a whole ... one that bubbles up here and there. Self isolation has reduced that baseline to the level that medical institutions can manage it , but breaking self isolation will raise that baseline considerable as we see it now. Desperate people have to risk infection to survive total economic collapse.

That leaves us over 60 crowd with pre-existing conditions. ALL of us will be subject to dangerous high levels of toxic virus if we venture out into the public. All of us will have to stay home until a vaccine is developed or risk death.

It’s unfortunate but it’s our current reality. I have a PCa friend that says “ screw it “ I’m going to croak anyway , im going out ...I don’t care and can’t stand much more of this being in prison .

Myself , I’m fighting to stay alive, I’m staying away from the public toxic exposure ... I’ll just have to wait until a vaccine comes along , if it does and if I live long enough to see it.

I would just say that if advanced PCA had a cure rate north of 98% we would all be thrilled.

What we really need to know is what is the actual fatality rate is so we can gauge the actual risk. If the number of people who had it is like 8x-10x higher than those who were sick enough to get tested, things fade into background risk sort of status.

I'm also going to continue quaranting. I started when we were assured that cv wasn't serious. My doctor told me that if I got cv I wouldn't "do so well".

In hopes that this might help someone make decisions I'll add that older people generally don't fare as well against covid as younger people. Throw in cancer and any drugs that might overly tax the body and the risk goes up. How high? I don't know but could be getting close to 100%. So, even if we discount the incidence of covid to the incidence of the flu (I've heard a lot of that - died down considerably the last month), we have a rather high risk of catching a deadly virus.

By the way, I'm 57 and if you didn't know I had cancer you'd look at my blood metrics and general appearance and would likely conclude that I'd live to 100. But my doctor doesn't think any of that would help if I got covid.

I'm only going out for groceries and to play sport until my lymphocytes recover from radiation tx-- now at ALC 500, hoping to get back to 850 (LLN) by end of year. Until then, no traveling on planes or crowded spaces. I feel strong enough to survive CoV, but don't want to try it-- don't like what I'm seeing of damage to epithelial linings in blood vessels and risk of stroke or permanent lung damage. We've been through enough with PCa, don't need the extra burden of CoV.

I'm going to visit every guy on this site and spend a night at his house.... So get ready... (of course no charge)....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 05/06/2020 5:40 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Yayahahahaya uh huh .... ok .... come right on over buddy, we’ll leave the light on for you !! ( it’s hard to use a chainsaw in the dark ).

🦠👀😷😱

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

Chainsaw? In that case can I bring along my ex-wife?

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 05/06/2020 6:03 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

why sure ... anything for you buddy .. my Bobcat front loader can make plenty more room in that hole in the ravine out back .

..... nolo problemo 👍👍👍👍😂😂😂😂😂

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

Very Deep? If I know her she can dig herself out of anything.

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 05/06/2020 7:48 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Well that’s where the chainsaw comes in handy ...... no one has climbed out of there yet, and not a single negative feedback. Yayahahahaya 🙉🙈🙊

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

I'm sorry it took me some time to respond but I went back and reviewed some old super 8 movies in my film library. And sure enough I found what I was looking for. It was an episode where my ex-wife was brushing her teeth with a chainsaw, so that eliminates the chainsaw method. Do you happen to have a wood chipper available, but only if you destroy all of the wood glue you might have hanging around. Thanks Buddy..... Positive feedback!!!

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 05/06/2020 9:33 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Yikes ... that’s one tough ole bird ... sounds like some of my biker ex’es yayahahahaya dangerous as all get out .

Probably clog up my woodchipper yayahahahaya 😂😂😂😂

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

Re; My ex-wife.

I just thought of a torture worse that the chainsaw and/or the wood chipper for my ex-wife.

It's the pièce de résistance of torture (now close your eyes) here it is "having sex with you".... (okay open your eyes)....Da ram!!!!!!

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 2:59 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Yayahahahaya yayahahahaya ..? Well since , like most adt guys , I’m “ sans Genitalia “ , that’d be an interesting trick ..... I was thinking that “ tape on her mouth “ would be the ultimate ex wife retribution yayahahahaya.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

You got a point there,,,,,,,,, Maybe tape up all of her orifices....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 5:18 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Yea .... you seen that ad on TV ... the one where the guy with the whiny voice uses $11,750 worth of his black goop sealer to make a $50 row boat from a screen door .... that wide tape he sells ... which works on everything , even under water .... that would work perfect. I hear you brother ... 👍👍👍👍😂😂😂😂

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

I've seen that ad and I know you're not gonna believe me, but I made a screen door out of a rubber row boat.....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 5:30 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

No ........no .......

I absolutely DO believe you ... No doubt what so ever yayahahahaya ya That rubber row boat is really the walls of that medical facility Room you sleep in every night. Probably seems like a row boat sometimes. That’s why you made the screen door, to get out. It’s very believable .

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Well ...

I hope we have lightened up the mood here for some of the people reading this goofy ridiculousness .... being stuck in your home ducking life threatening infections is both gloomy and no fun ... hopefully we have entertained a few brothers with our mindless banter . Clearly we both are the perfect example of what happens when you spend too much time stuck at home in your house .... it’s your mind that goes first brother j-o-h-n ... peace my friend , keep up the good work. 💪💪💪✌️✌️✌️✌️

🦠🦠🦠👀😷😷😷😱😱😱

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

And it's free!!!

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 6:04 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Yayahahahaya 👍👍

monte1111
monte1111
in reply to Kaliber

Funny!

pilot52
pilot52
in reply to j-o-h-n

I will pay you to stay at mine.......We can go flying together.....I only scream and close my eyes when I take off and land....Blue Skies , Sky King and Penny (woof)

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to pilot52

I fly a Cessna 170 right in my computer room ... very realistic , good air time practice, and no personal damage from those bumpy landings I still need to work on some yayahahahaya I fly a Large 4K 3 screen simulator with a full flight panel and yoke ... pedals , 12 core cpu ... etc. x-plane 11 , extremely realistic and used in some flight training schools. Pretty affordable as well. When you can’t be in the air all the time, this could be a serviceable alternativethat you might enjoy. Just say’in.

✌️✌️✌️✌️

It’s got real pilot headsets and full tower comms as well. Add a fan and one of those shak’in sim flight chairs and it gets even more realistic yayahahahaya

pilot52
pilot52
in reply to Kaliber

Very cool...I fly basically 3 platforms right now...I have a BE-58 Baron, and I fill in on a C560XL and a C680. The latter two not so much since the Covid 19 flare up. Have fun because that is what it is all about....watch your ground loop! Blue Skies

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to pilot52

Yayahahahaya 👍👍👍✌️✌️✌️

🦠👀😷

tallguy2
tallguy2
in reply to pilot52

If you can find the March 2007 issue of AOPA Magazine you'll read an article about my father-in-law, Roger Keeney. He lived to be 100 1/2. Lost his medical at age 96 when he could no longer get in and out of his Piper Super Cub by himself. Sure wish I had his genes!

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to pilot52

I must warn you I have a beautiful tan except for my milk white knuckles.... thanks anyway.... Kiss Penny for me and pet Penny's dog Shadow for me... or is it the other way around? Us old guys can't remember shit...

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 1:20 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Yea .... and if you don’t give back that power rod you took when you visited your cousin Vinny , who works at the power plant, everyone in your neighborhood is going to have the same beautiful tan. No coronavirus at your house tho . Just say’in.

🦠👀😷

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

Nope..... no more power in my rod............

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 5:23 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Ratt ta tatt .... see what happens when you have a good wingman to set you up for the punch lines yayahahahaya 😂😂😂😂

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

Hey what a team..... Just call us Muck and Myers...a/k/a The SonShine boys - I'm Muck and get top billing.. Break open a Keg....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 5:59 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Yayahahahaya... I’m just a side man compared to you. Student of the master 😂😂😂😂

HE IS 100% CORRECT. We cannot put ourselves at risk to get this virus, because in many cases, this will prove fatal. Our immune systems have already been compromised and many of us do not have the extra energy and ability to handle another battle.

SO, STAY SAFE, STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE, WEAR A MASK AND GLOVES WHEN YOU SHOP, SPEND AS LITTLE TIME AS YOU HAVE TO WHEN YOU GET FOOD ETC.

We will get through this boys, so patience is the key. Read lots, watch movies, take up cooking, work out as best as you can, keep your mind and body going.

Good luck to all!!!

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to billyboy3

Yessiree, I’m in your boat of thinking buddy.

Just keep doing what I have, I am an essential part time worker, planning a major landscaping in my back yard. The grass does like it there, the weeds love it so with myroomate we built 4 2x8x2 foot raised garden beds for veggies. Also planted raspberry and black berry bushes, have tomatoes seeds for a couple of dozed plants. I discovered how heavy the bags of soil was, put them on top of the fence then cut the end and into the container went the soil. Planning on squash, cucumbers, broccoli, eggplant and peppers. The exercise is good but once the temps go up i retreat to the house, the lupron coupled with warm weather really makes you sweat.

Nothing wrong with your bringing it up, and no need to apologize. You have to make a decision for yourself, and you should be able to discus that decision here. The total number of infected may (or may not) be the same in the the end whether we quarantine or not, but the total number of dead will almost certainly be higher if we don't quarantine and our health care system gets overwhelmed . And it won't just be more dead from the virus--people will not be able to get ICU beds, or ventilators for any condition if the system is overwhelmed, or treatment for anything if too many health care workers get infected at once. I intend to do my bit to help delay my own infection and to help delay the infection of others. I'm living a healthy, satisfying life right now, and I haven't survived (so far) two cancers and ten other surgeries of varying degrees of seriousness to go down to this virus if I don't have to.

I for one am fine with anyone calling out politicians in power for trying to take healthcare away from us. Silence is a bully’s greatest ally.

Reading these posts....I just feel like I am in really good company.

Huh !!! .... well that’s both warm and fuzzy ...and scary at the same time. Yayahahahaya kewl brother 😂😂😂✌️

🦠👀😷

This is a very tough time and the future is very uncertain for everyone. Human nature can be to hoard, to fiercely protect and expect the worst from others and this is not without precedent. However, I see what we are going through as the potential for an historic paradigm shift because we are all now so interdependent around the globe. Red, blue, white, brown or green is irrelevant, unless we want to separate ourselves from one another and fight to see who comes out on top.

This is especially not the time for that, regardless of what we may think is unjust. People and states have shared ventilators, PPE, thank you cards and money all around the country, so we should focus on the good that many people have done and continue to do, no matter geographics or politics.

This is an opportunity to see the larger picture of how relying on each other can pull us up out of the abyss that led us here. Caring for our neighbors near and far, providing everyone with what they need could sew the seeds of a new economy. Farmers might even be able to find new ways to sell their crops and butcher animals for food banks, as an example.

Recently, Ireland returned a gift to the Navajo people in their current time of need, that was given to Ireland during the potato famine. The Navajo Nation gave them of $174 around 1878. Ireland gave the Navajo people $1.8 million dollars to help them buy supplies to deal with COVID-19! That is an amazing thing and an an example of how each person's or group's generosity for those in need can mean so much.

Personally, I want to continue to have video chats with my family and friends and give money where I can to those who need it more than me. That gives me both happiness and meaning, as I wait to emerge into the sunlight one day to hopefully find a job, meet with friends and all the rest of it.

Even if I don't get that chance, I want to do all I can now in this moment to be close to family and friends and help others until I am unable to do so. Looking out for and assisting others in need, in a time of a health and economic crisis however I can, makes me happy and is actually a gift to myself.

I hope we do come out of this mess with a broader perspective about what is truly important. I wish everyone good health and a soft landing!

Fiddler2004
Fiddler2004
in reply to dmt1121

Well said... stay safe, be well!

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to dmt1121

Great post........... hopefully the $1.8 won't be spent on fire water...........a/k/a Irish H2O...

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 4:50 PM DST

I feel you. Those of us (and I include myself) who would have normally pursued treatment in the coming days, weeks, and months -- no matter what our situation -- are contemplating what to do in this crazy time. I'm glad that you posted this. And, I'm also glad that you spoke your truth. While some might disagree with your phrasing of a few words, I think that you, I and others would agree with the following point. We're either one country or we're not. We stand or we fall together.

Or alternatively ... we fall apart.

None, just doctor visits

Currently we are limited to shopping, work and a one kilometre radius for recreation.

I go for long walks and it is amazing how few people are out there.

We have very little coronavirus in this part of France, the heavy bits are in the west and Paris.

Monday we will be able to go for up to 100 kilometres but access to beaches will still be restricted.

I am planning on a long drive to my favourite English beer shop to get some Old Speckled Hen, the roads will be pretty empty so it will be great!

Everything will change when the covid 19 vaccination makes its appearance. Sign me up.

As for today, I am going to the dumps. The back of my truck is completely stuffed.

No change. I have not been sheltering in place. I wear a face covering to avoid getting assaulted. I continue to wash my hands a lot. I go to work, market and to visit friends who will have me. Some do; most don't. My big change will be to seek a haircut.

Trust me, no one (well, maybe half) want to hear my political views on all this. But I spotted this article yesterday....anybody else see it? Turns out those of us on ADT might have a big advantage in fighting off covid.

apple.news/AmIrQvzccTBaJrKw...

Lupron and COVID 19

I plan on continuing to enjoy my life albeit carefully, and avoid situations that would put me at risk. But I can still spend time outdoors enjoying the beach, the lake, and the ocean. I’m one or two PSA tests away from having to undergo treatment that wouldn’t allow for that so I’m not going to waste a single day since I’m not sure how many I have left. I’m already to the right hand side of the median.

One more cast...

Ed

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Morning; I can understand your O wanting you to stay at home. Don’t know your age or current condition, but I am also on Lupron and Zytiga since May 2018, and it is working! PSA: 0.014. Stay with it. If you trust your O, then listen to him.

With possibly 3 strains of the virus being detected.....I will continue to take precautions...and avoid direct contact until we get a better idea of what this is and what it is not. There may be no return to the world really opening. Embrace new realities and new opportunities.

Our friends 37 year old son just died from this. No underlying conditions. He just got married last September. His family is devastated. We have not left our house since March 8th. When the kids come here, we all wear masks and stay outside 6 feet apart. My daughter just had a baby 2 weeks ago. We went out to her house and looked at the baby through the window. I want to make sure my husband and I are alive to pick that baby up someday. Everyone stay safe.

People will have to work sooner or later, the devil is in the details. Hopefully mutual cooperation makes it safer. Herd immunity and a vaccine are a ways away.

I go to the store, my shop, Costco, take many walks etc, always wear a face mask around people. Almost everyone around me is respectful of the new reality. We had some crazy storm clouds yesterday, so I ran downtown (DC) to take some pics of the capitol, looked end of the world-ish.

It's tough! If this goes on for very long, some of us will not make it to see the end and experience the return of freedom to visit family and friends.

In my case because of PCa, life expectancy could be a matter of months, not years. So if we continue quarantining at home like we are doing right now, I may never see our daughter and our little grandchildren again. Even of I don't get the coronavirus.

Can't win. Either way, it sucks.

I myself enjoy it when the politics are kept out of this and we talked about getting better and what's good for us as fellow PCA suffers. Since I was ready to retire in April this is all worked out for me of course being in Texas and New Mexico I can either be around a lot of people or nobody. I believe this pandemic has shown that we all have a pressure point take the people in Michigan who arm themselves and I really think if it got down to it we would all do that rather than be led like sheep to the slaughter good health to all stay in if you have to me I'm headed to the pot shop peace Brothers

It’s a good time in my opinion to error to caution. I like your dr. ‘S thinking. The first year is like getting hit with bat in the head . You should adjust in time. But it’s a hell of a ride. I’m 5 yrs in with APC and marriage. M wife we’d met with tubes out of my back and a foley . Both for a year and a half. What honeymoon? Her love saved my life. I’m happy that you have love too at home. APC is a brutal rollercoaster from

a-z.. “ The plans of mice and men”” I didn’t plan for a catastrophic disease to take me down at 53 yrs old. I can tell you that for sure. Now at 59 ive settled into the new norm of diminished capacities with appreciation that I’m even here at all. Live with gratitude. Things can get better. But they also can get worse . The old carpe diem or “pluck the day “ Be well!

Hopefully most of you guys will read this:

FACE MASKS:

Should We All Be Wearing Face Masks? Here's Why Experts Are So Conflicted

PAUL GLASZIOU & CHRIS DEL MAR, THE CONVERSATION 9 APRIL 2020

Should members of the public be wearing face masks during the COVID-19 pandemic? It's a controversial question, with different countries and authorities giving different advice.

We have reviewed the results of more than a dozen randomised trials of face masks and transmission of respiratory illnesses. We found the current best evidence suggests wearing a mask to avoid viral respiratory infections such as COVID-19 offers minimal protection, if any.

Conflicting recommendations

Two of the world's major health organisations disagree on mask wearing. The World Health Organisation (WHO) currently discourages mask use:

There is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can prevent them from infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19. <==<<<

WHO does recommend special masks (N95 masks or equivalent) plus other protection for health-care workers working with people who have, or are suspected to have, COVID-19.

By contrast, the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the United States has recently recommended everyone wear a (cloth) mask.

However, this is to prevent infected people passing on the infection, not to prevent the wearer getting infected. <===<<<

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 5:06 PM DST

I discovered I can learn new tricks. I can cut my own hair. Gold stocks? Oil stocks? Bitcoin? I'm investing everything I have in toilet paper. When Autumn gets here I'll be a millionaire. Doesn't matter if the Flu and Covid both arrive at the same time. Fear will drive the stock market. It's going to be like the Train to Busan. Or not.

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to monte1111

Just make sure the toilet tissue comes in rolls... and if so, save those cardboard roller inserts for me, I collect them....Got a basement full of them, some are vintage....Thanks...

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 6:19 PM DST

monte1111
monte1111
in reply to j-o-h-n

I really hope you have a toilet in your basement. I have a discouraging image of a shovel and a dirt floor.

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to monte1111

Of course... Gravity rules..

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 6:37 PM DST

monte1111
monte1111
in reply to j-o-h-n

Not if you're on the back of a motorcycle and angry parents are right on your ass. Aim for the driver's windshield.

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to monte1111

You mean the nuts and bolts wave?

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 7:10 PM DST

monte1111
monte1111
in reply to j-o-h-n

I see you've been there. If you're on the back on a Honda 90, it's really exciting. And no one even did drugs back then. Just clean cut all American fun.

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to monte1111

Nothing like that feeling of wind blowing through the holes in your head...

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 7:41 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to monte1111

Huh ??? .... guess you never hung with the motorcycle associates at the Berdoo ‘eh . ( google it ) red and white got the might brother. Clean cut 🔨 time. Yayahahahaya

😂😂😂😂😂

monte1111
monte1111
in reply to Kaliber

No. My brother in law was a 24/7 motorcycle associate. President of a local chapter of something long ago. The parties were loud. He tore his family apart and passed 2 years ago. Ten years younger than me. Crank will do that. Another very good friend was dying last I saw him. Heroin and the needle will do that. A couple of other very good friends passed from the needle. I didn't like needles and did not participate. Now I'm stuck with needles all the time. How ironic.

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to monte1111

One of my past long time ex girlfriends married the president of a minor “ club “ in Orlando back in the mid 60s . Eventually he offered me 15 minutes in their “ parts “ warehouse to come and take her back yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. I used to send him one of those novelty shop fake piles of dog doo in a brown paper bag , every year, for his anniversary. We were never “ friends “ per se “ ... they were eventually “ absorbed “ and he always resented that.

You don’t have to be a one percenter to see drug abuse out of control and the damage it brings. One look around town ,here, is all that takes. In the brotherhood, you are married to the club first and foremost. Families, sadly, take a distant back seat. Back in the mid 60s , my chapter of ”enthusiasts “ decided to make a dramatic change of direction in their activities .... That was the end of my interest there. It was a difficult and sad decision, but not for me. In my early 20s I was into raising hell and having fun ... period. I still wish I could find my first wife and apologize to her for being the person I was back then and the way I treated her. I’ve always regretted that chapter of my life. A year ago , I sold my final bike, a ‘06 stage 2 Dyna Super glide custom ... my ( 4th ) wife bought it for me for my 60th birthday. Still makes me sick that I let it go. First time in my adult life I don’t own a hog. Times change I guess, we all have to change with them to get by. Whatever ...

monte1111
monte1111
in reply to Kaliber

The times they are a changin'. Bob Dylan now mumbles according to j-o-h-n. And he knows best. I see the once hero's of my youth gone. And now I know, the times they are a changin'.

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to monte1111

Yep, that’s exactly right ... hero’s turned to gang banging criminal thugs And a life hanging onto day to day existence... whaaaahoooo ... Dang this is fun Brother yayahahahaya 👍👍👍✌️✌️

🦠🦠👀😱😷

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to monte1111

Last time I took off with a daughter on the back of my hog, the father stopped me...gave me a couple twenties and a hug and said he was forever grateful.

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

A dad gave you a couple of twenties, a hug and was forever grateful.....Hmmmmm. Not sayin, just a thinkin.....Yayahahahaya 😂😂😂😂✌️

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 05/08/2020 11:50 AM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Well “ ewwwwww” was my first thought ...... then ... hummmmm ... a hole different idea, something “ you “ evidentially thought about yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. Wow .. a man of the world. 😂😂😂😂😂

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to monte1111

It is a shovel and dirt floor ...His ex wife is buried down there. The paper rolls are a diversion to distract. people trying to figure out his collection completely miss the mound of dirt. Genius ..

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

So you've been watching C S I....... (this virus eats the brain too).....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 05/08/2020 11:54 AM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

If that’s so, my virus is starving yayahahahaya

Ok. Too funny. I quit.

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to monte1111

I quit too............

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 05/07/2020 9:46 PM DST

monte1111
monte1111
in reply to j-o-h-n

Quitter.

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to monte1111

Yayahahahaya 😂😂😂😂✌️

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to monte1111

j-o-h-n <=== Winner

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 05/08/2020 11:43 AM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Lol 😂😂😂✌️

This post was altered due to my reference to how the federal government may distribute funds to the states to help with severe economic problems. Why was this done?

Is there a “rules” list which contains the prohibited topics? I understand this is a site devoted to advanced prostate cancer, but sometimes the activities and debates in DC have a direct impact on us, our treatments, and our lives. I believe my post did this.

Great site but I’m not interested in my thoughts being censored out of the blue and off the site.

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to Twoofus

I guess it’s a matter of perspective and appreciation. When you are laying in the corner alone, powerful cancer drugs poisoning your body and your brain, trying to fight off pave mets and death ... someone kind enough to pay enough attention to you to edit your post is warm friendly brotherly attention . How nice is it that someone out there is listening to you , helping your puzzle pieces mesh with all the other pieces here , that’s pretty kewl from my own perspective . ....yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. Wow ...

Just say’in 😂😂😂😂

Sounds like you haven’t hit the slick spot on the pole yet, where you slide down more and your thoughts Naturally turn more inward / personal / introspective ... and you finally realize that nothing going on “ out there “ is ever going to be relevant in your life anymore. Not ever. I guess that’s a good thing tho .... good for you for still thinking “ all that “ matters. Hang onto that thought for long as you can brother. If you are a stage 4 croaker, all that will change dramatically, eventually.

💪💪💪👍👍👍

🦠🦠👀😷😱

Twoofus
Twoofus
in reply to Kaliber

Hell. I thought the entire pole is a slick spot.

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to Twoofus

Brown gravity gravy yayahahahaya 😂😂😂

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

This is your post to me as the "We are all stuck in the present. !" post was being deleted:

Yayahahahaya. Well my Zometa treatment this past Monday is Finally taking it’s foot out of my rectum. Man, this time was an specially rough one for some reason. When that puppy lets off, it’s an all new day yayahahahaya. I guess it’s worth it,...

So I am responding here.

Well I'm sorry to hear that you have to tolerate another Zometa treatment, but I'd rather post to you then post about you. We are fighting this war with pea shooters while the enemy is bombarding us with howitzers... Keep up your humor... cause it's like when they raised the urinals 6 inches at my workplace.... kept me on my toes....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 05/09/2020 1:15 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Well thank you brother ... lots of post skullduggery takes place in these parts ... I never know day to day yayahahahaya. It’s all good. I’ve had 16 - 18 Zometa infusions now ... you’d think I’d get used to them, but I never quite do. Still I strongly want them, I know they are helping my extensive met load and adt bone depletion a whopping lot.

I’d much rather that you post to me than about me too buddy yayahahahaya ya. Absolutely. You get to thinking that Lupron + Xtandi are bad ( and they surely are ) , but then along comes a Zometa infusion and puts things back into perspective. yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. Wow ... what doesn’t kill you just makes you stronger.

Those weren’t urinals , those were bidets ... good thing you didn’t flush ....ewwwwwwww 😂😂😂😂

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n
in reply to Kaliber

I think you meant water fountains..........for midgets

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 05/09/2020 6:21 PM DST

Kaliber
Kaliber
in reply to j-o-h-n

Ewwwwwww....yayahahahaya 😂😂😂

did you know that it's very unlikely to get the Chinese virus if you are on ADT/Lupron? Read this: pcf.org/blog/breaking-news-...

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