New non stimulant for adults

[BlessedLady]

The first FDA approved non stimulant for Adults with ADHD in 20 years-

fiercepharma.com/pharma/sup....

[_Sarah_J]

Thanks for this. Looked it up. The side effects look scary. I don’t see how it’s an improvement over stimulants.

[wtfadhd in reply to _Sarah_J]

i looked it up too. it appears that it only addresses regulation of norepinephrine n doesnt address our serotonin n dopamine deficits. stimulants address all 3. 🤷🏻‍♀️but if anyone on here has tried it please share your results. ❤️

[BlessedLady in reply to wtfadhd]

They are trying to get away from using stimulants due to their addiction concerns

[AngelWingsOnEarth in reply to BlessedLady]

I say let those with addiction concerns stop taking them get i to a program or something. I have been in 5-10mg for years and there is no problem. I use it as needed. I would hate being forced to a less effective choice for no reason

[BlessedLady in reply to AngelWingsOnEarth]

I understand completely. Unfortunately, the powers that be focus on the greater good. Plus they know little to nothing about ADHD and how stimulants like Adderall, Dexedrine, Ritalin, etc. can be life changers to those with ADHD.

[BlessedLady in reply to _Sarah_J]

Every medication has side effects, some possibly severe. You and your doctor have to weight benefits vs risks

[Boo0102]

My 17yo son tried Qelbree a few months ago. Had some mental stability concerns, stopped it for awhile, then under doctor supervision restarted it because my son really wanted to and was unsure if it had contributed. A month later he was inpatient for a suicide attempt. Qelbree’s first FDA approval was for children. No, I’ll not be trying Qelbree even though I can’t take stimulants.

[Hidden]

Stimulants are probably the safest drug used in psychiatry and highly effective. They aren't going anywhere. This medication like Straterra only works on norepinephrine, which means it probably isn't very effective like Strattera. There is a reason Strattera has the lowest market share of any ADHD drug.

[BlessedLady in reply to Hidden]

They can be addictive. They can also cause heart and blood pressure problems. They are in the same class of drugs as opiates. The same federal and state laws that govern opiates also govern stimulants.

[Ampersand1 in reply to BlessedLady]

Do you mean that they are in the same class as in they are "controlled" substances? Because when I first read your comment I thought, "hey, I don't think opiates and amphetamines are actually in the same class. Those are two different types of drugs!" Just wanted to ask for clarification. 👍

[BlessedLady in reply to Ampersand1]

Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to the scheduling of drugs. The abuse rate is a determinate factor in the scheduling of a drug. So opiates and stimulants are both a Schedule II.

[Hidden]

They can be, but millions like me take them never develop an "addiction" they don't get me high they flatten me out, they are necessary. I take them so don't accidentally kill myself in some accident on a day-to-day basis and can study. The heart problems like cardiomyopathy are very rare. Once your body adjusts to a dose, so do your vitals typically a bp med can always be added if you must take a stimulant, but are at substantial cardiac risk. An antidepressant raised my bp to dangerous levels, but a stimulate doesn't even affect mine. They need to stay in schedule two it's where they belong, definitely not a 3-4 drug. I don't believe it should be able to be diagnosed on a phone app then prescribed a schedule 2 stimulant, well the FDA and DEA will revoke the rule they made during the pandemic and are already going after these online clinics for peddling Adderall and Bezos.

I'm the genuine article and have been taking stimulants for 35 years. Likewise, I know all the illogical things you are saying. Probably 25% of people that take ADHD medication shouldn't have it because they feign diagnoses. There are already abuse proof meds like Vyvanse and more on the way. They should be schedule 2, but they are one of the safest class of meds while opiates are the deadliest, that's hardly a fair comparison.

[BlessedLady in reply to Hidden]

Unfortunately, the DEA believes stimulants are as dangerous as opiates. That is why the are a Schedule II. There will continue to be stimulants for years to come. But doctors have started not prescribing them in the past few years.

A friend of mine is over 65 and has been taking Adderall for 25 yrs with no problems. She went in to get a prescription several months ago and her doctor said he can no longer prescribe her Adderall or any other stimulant due to her being over 65. It seems the recommendation now is to stop prescribing stimulants for ADHD at 65. Her ADHD medication also prevents her from having car accidents among other things. But that does not matter

[Ampersand1 in reply to Hidden]

I've actually noticed my BP has decreased since beginning Vyvanse after being diagnosed at age 31 a few months ago. It's the stress off your mind that I believe has led to this decrease, but I could be wrong

[BlessedLady in reply to Ampersand1]

My friend has noticed a increase in her b/p since her doctor stopped prescribing her Adderall.

[wtfadhd]

Blessed Lady- the scheduling system is more about discrimination, the war on drugs, politics, criminality, and money- so try not to get too hung up on it or use it to determine life choices.

Schedule 1 means there is zero medical benefit at all. weed is still on the books as a schedule 1 drug yet its legal in most states for medicinal use- the DEA n powers to be havent quite figured out that glitch…. hmmmm- more politics🤔

you stated that the DEA thinks heroin n stimulants are equally as dangerous. dangerous is not the correct word. the schedule system is based on its potential for abuse and medical value. its not based on danger. also heroin is schedule 1 and stimulants are schedule 2. interestingly, stuff made from heroin are schedule 2( vicodin, oxy).

also- nicotine/ tobacco and alcohol are clearly the most addictive n abused substances in America with absolutely no proven medicinal purposes ( there is some debate about alcohol but no debate at ALL about tobacco) yet those two substances arent even scheduled???? hmmmm 🤔 more politics.

this whole thing about adderall being a scary killer in America is unfounded. dont bite the bait. im a drug n alcohol counselor and work with only poor people- most of what you read in media is simply BS and not at all what is really happening in the world of addiction. its twisted,

fast food companies and “ food designers” openly admit on media that they do not create recipes- they design stuff that will cause addiction. !?!?!?! where are the powers that “ determine the greater good” (as you wrote ) on that issue🤔??

also- humans can abuse n misuse stuff and not be addicted to it- also,

we can also be addicted and dependent on stuff that we dont abuse n misuse.

critical thinking vs moralistic propaganda, ❤️

us ADHD’ers are in the crossfire of so many negative forces.

chins up my fellow ADHD’ers. Lets continue to be the amazing divergent critical thinkers that we are wired to be and not even worry about being “ addicted” to our medications. Everything that is perceived as pleasurable is “ addictive”- sex, sugar, caffeine, shopping, exercise, social media …. etc etc. everything. our ADHD brains suck at making any pleasure chemicals to begin with. Do what works for you to create a happy productive kick butt life. ✌️❤️

[Hominid711 in reply to wtfadhd]

Spot on!

[dubstepMaul in reply to wtfadhd]

Yes! I agree. Thanks for your awesome reply

[BlessedLady in reply to wtfadhd]

I did not say the DEA thinks stimulant and heroin are equally dangerous. I said stimulants (Adderall, Dexedrine, Ritalin, etc) are Schedule II drugs and so are opiates (Lortab, Percocet, MSContin, etc)

Marijuana is still a Schedule I drug Federally. Although some states have lower the classification. Marijuana is not the safe drug many people think it is. It can have serious interactions with some medications. It can also cause mental health problems and worsen some mental health problems in some.

[Bobby1985 in reply to wtfadhd]

love it, that is the great pov!