Can this high fluoride tooth have anything to do with it? Only using a short time and have gained 5 lbs. Not sure if connected. Thanks, EasyYou're supposed to leave it on your teeth 30 minutes after spitting, no food or drink.
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I had read on the Internet that fluoride attaches to the iodine receptors...something like that. Does fluoride interfere with thyroid function???
Yes, it does. But aren't you on thyroid hormone replacement? If so, your thyroid doesn't need iodine anymore, because it's not making hormone.
If it interferes with conversion of T4 to T3 as some literature says is one theory of how it affects thyroid hormones, I presume it might be problematic if you were on T4 monotherapy. But I’m not sure, as it’s not proven or anything.
I've never heard that fluoride affects conversion. I don't see why it would.
it’s believed to affect the enzymes that catalyze deiodination as well as causing damage to the thyroid itself
I presume the former must persist even without a thyroid or T4 monotherapy would not be converted to T3 and could not work.
As I said it’s only a theory and there’s nothing I can find to indicate why that might be or by what process it messes up D1 etc
I don't even think it damages the thyroid. It just attaches to the iodine receptors so that the thyroid cannot get enough iodine to make thyroid hormones. That's what I've read, anyway.
In any case, it's pretty nasty stuff, and I avoid it as much as I possibly can.
Thank you for replying.
I think it’s use in the 1930s by May, Litzka, Gorlitzer von Mundy as an anti thyroid drug lead to complete destruction of the thyroid in some cases so it is known to damage it. It did reduce the production of thyroid hormones but results were unpredictable
Well, it would reduce the production of thyroid hormones by blocking the absorption of iodine.
What sort of dosage were they using as an anti-thyroid drug? I haven't heard about that.
Not sure but they used three different forms of Fluoride for comparison. It wasn’t continued as an anti thyroid drug but was used as a pesticide 😱 sounds like it might have been too toxic or difficult to get a reliable dose/result could be they used very high doses.
I’ll see if I can find out more about it
Certainly doesn't sound like something we should be ingesting, then!
Interestingly it was in an article by Dr Barry Durrant Peatfield if you scroll down you will see it here there’s not much more detail but it sounds a bit chilling:
The Effects Of Fluoride On The Thyroid Gland
By Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield MBBS LRCP MRCS
Medical Advisor to Thyroid UK
9-9-4
Easylover
Yes, fluoride reduces iodine uptake via the sodium/iodide symporter. This impairs production of thyroid hormones so can induce hypothyroidism.
However, you say you medicate Thyroid-S which will contain iodine. Minutes amounts of this iodine will be recycled after hormone conversions that release iodine and is enough for healthy living.
radd could you have another go at this explanation please. Its certainly too late after you become hypo to avoid fluoride but does it still interfere with conversion when on thyroid medication? Sorry to be a bit (even) thicker this morning.
arTistapple,
So your question is does fluoride affect thyroid hormone conversion after we medicate?
Fluoride affects thyroid hormone synthesis but I don’t think it directly impairs conversion whether we medicate or not.
We refer to conversion with relation to the deionisation enzymes (D1, D2 & D3) but we actually metabolise thyroid hormones through three different pathways: deiodination, glucuronidation and sulfation, and I guess excess fluoride could impair the detoxification processes, especially as low thyroid hormone already slows hepatic function anyway, although I haven’t read anything about this.
But even though we medicate and don’t need that ingested iodine, we should still remain mindful regarding fluoride which is a halogen together with iodine, chlorine and others, all which must also be used respectfully.
Isabella Wentz writes an interesting article with references about fluoride here …… thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...
What are sulphation and glucurondication? I only know of diodination as to how conversion of T4 to T3 occurs so I’m interested to learn more. Links would be fine if it’s too complex for a quick response
the literature I’ve glanced says it’s theorised that fluoride directly affects the diodinases themselves hence affecting conversion. I can’t find any explanation as to how this might happen.
TSH110,
Sulphation and glucurondication are basically liver detox and excretion pathways for managing unwanted body (toxic) substances, environmental toxins, etc.
I’m really not that familiar with the exact workings as too complex but know that 'sulphation' is phase one and our first line of defence against toxins, and 'glucuridation' is phase two used for toxic substances that require further altering of the chemical structure to enable elimination via urine or bile (conjugated - add water soluble molecules ).
These processes also assist in thyroid hormone conversion and if the liver becomes overladen or sluggish, waste backs up making the liver even more sluggish and less functional regarding thyroid hormone conversion. It is these process that may be negatively affected by large amounts of fluoride, and on a side note many of us with MTHFR issues also risk having polymorphisms that decrease (or increase) activity in either phase one or two. (For instance a decreased phase one clearance risks causing toxic accumulation which would make one more suspectable to the negativities of fluoride).
There are also studies showing an impaired COMT (methylation gene commonly impaired in Hashi sufferers) appearing to be a reason for cognitive decline with excessive intake of fluoride due to alterations of neurotransmitter metabolism in the central nervous system. It is reported that fluoride is capable of changing the levels of dopamine, noradrenaline, adrenaline, etc in a rats brain.
"it’s theorised that fluoride directly affects the diodinases themselves hence affecting conversion". Interesting, can you provide the links please.
Dear radd, what is MTHFR?
Easylover,
The MTHFR gene (aka methylenetetrahydrofolate) produces the MTHFR enzyme that enables ‘methylation’ (a multi-step chemical breakdown process involving nutrients essential in hypothyroidism/Hashimotos, and elimination of toxins found to be commonly high in hypothyroidism/Hashimotos).
A low acting MTHFR gene might only enable low folate, high homocysteine, high levels of heavy metals, etc. High homocysteine increases coronary heart disease risk and will disallow good conversion to glutathione (antioxidant/detoxifier). Also poor conversion to methionine so increasing risk of fatty liver disease, etc. Basically impaired MTHFR function increases risk of heart issues, certain cancers, stroke, depression, etc.
Same with COMPT, another commonly impaired gene in Hashi sufferers that involved with the breakdown of catecholamines, and maintaining parts of the brain involved in executive functioning, decision-making, and working memory.
I never ever use a toothpaste with fluoride. If you knew the history of it I'm sure you might not either.
I’ve seen it on this forum before… but there’s also the issue of fluoridated water supplies… majority in the US are, not sure if same happened in the UK?
FIR,
Only in some parts of central and the north of England, and then only by certain water suppliers. The majority of the country remains not fluoridated.
There are some places that fluoridate their water, fortunately not where I live but the government in their wisdom are planning to add it to every water authority supplied water. Shocking that they willing to put everyone at risk.
Do you know when this is happening?
I can't find a definitive date, it seems the legislation is in place but not enacted. There's an article here - fluoridealert.org/news/uk-f... that explains the plan but even that doesn't confirm it's happening. It's ironic that they know that sugar causes tooth decay but they aren't prepared to tackle that, instead they want to impose fluoride on every one. Typical backward thinking imo.
I just googled it and reminded myself of things I read at some point that I’d now forgotten.
In the US nearly 75% of people are served by a fluoridated water supply.
All to prevent tooth decay by somewhere estimated to be only a 25-50% reduction. I’m speechless at the ridiculousness of it.
All these public websites say “no evidence” of any of the proposed harms of it…
But all you have to do is Google “fluoride endocrine disruptor”.
Separate but related. Over the years the municipal water supply has become less and less clean/pure, and so one upside to that is that fewer and fewer people are drinking tap water, and more are drinking bottled water.
So thats ironic too… spending goodness knows how much to fluoridate the water just for private companies to filter and purify it out before people drink it.
We're on the same page there! For me the chlorination of water is excessive in my area, turn on the tap and the smell of bleach is over powering. I filter all "drinking" water as in for cooking too, I have filters in my shower and I have a filter ball to hold under the sink or bath tap. Fluoride isn't so easy to filter out so I'm glad we don't need to do it yet. This attempt to impose it on everyone has the same echo as the Covid jab, what are we coming to when we're not allowed freedom of choice in anything? It's worrying, if you're the type who worries about such things, which I am.
Espeegee,
I agree, but would suggest this fairly new legislation is aimed more at the lower socioeconomic areas.
However, given the possible negatives consequences of added fluoride I also think consumers should have choice, and kids teeth brushing campaigns would be more effective and beneficial to the nation as a whole. The government could fund free toothbrushes/paste given out through schools, and TV adverts aimed at parents to supervise their kids teeth brushing.
We always had the music attachment that comes with cot mobiles in our bathroom, and then egg timers for older kids. With the introduction of battery powered and electric toothbrushes and waterpicks, teeth brushing can be great fun for kids.
Quite why bother tackling the source of the problem - the sugary rubbish people gobble down especially children when you can poison the whole population via the water supply. That’s the food lobby for you profit above all else by any means
Not just the food lobby, the people who are supposed to on our side no longer seem to be. Its like tobacco all over again, smoking is dangerous, it causes a lot of problems not just cancer, we are warned about it in a multitude of ways yet the easiest most effective way of dealing with the problem would be to ban it but that will never happen, instead all sorts of hopeless measures are created to stop people doing it, not effective because so many still do. The argument used to be that the tax on tobacco products covered the cost of treating smokers. That of course is no longer true, the money poured into the NHS is colossal, it far outstrips revenue. Yet they're willing to spend more money adding fluoride to water. Where are we headed with all this craziness?
To hell in a handcart? It’s madness I agree.
The tobacco lobby have risen like a phoenix from the ashes in the west, with vaping - god knows what that will do to those engaging in it, mainly lots of youngsters they have cynically targeted (who weren’t smoking ciggies) they have already cornered the third world, keeping the embers alive.
Maybe try using a fluoride free toothpaste for a couple of weeks. Good luck !
I thank everyone. I avoided high fluoride tooth paste the dentist prescribed but my teeth were rotting inspite of brushing and flossing 3 times a day. I'm still concerned for my teeth. I don't understand why I'm having such troubles. Thank you for your replies.
How is your VitD ?
I'm assuming it's ok because I was in the hospital back in March and the doctor said something about my labs being good. I should have requested a copy.
You need to obtain copies of those 'labs'. I doubt it will include VitD. I mentioned VitD as I have read it can affect teeth when levels are low. VitD is anti-inflammatory - also a steroidal pro-hormone. So much more than a vitamin ....
It's interesting that it's also an anti-inflammatory. I didn't kniw that. Thanks.
Never trust a doctor to be fully up to speed about anything. There are a few but the majority follow the wisdom handed down by the NHS which is very often woefully out of date or just plain wrong.
Hi Easylover ,
Do you perhaps have silent acid reflux?
My teeth have been rotting in my mouth since I was 8 years old. Granted, we can perhaps blame the first 16 cavities on too much candy consumption and a loose parenting style.
However, my cavities kept going along with extreme deteroriation/loss of enamel ('erosion'). Most of my teeth are as fake as they can be. When I was younger, going to the dentist was worse for the 'lessons' and questions I would receive than for the often painful care that was waiting for me. Most of my teenage years and thereafter I was questioned by dentists about eating disorders ('do you throw up?') and my dietary habits.
Now, decades later, I am pretty sure that all of my problems (and our family problems - all of us have bad teeth) boil down to one thing: we all have acid reflux. Silent acid reflux, so you don't know you have it because if you don't experience heartburn. The other symptoms are hard to link to silent reflux (although I strongly feel that any of my doctors could have made the link). Especially at night your stomach's acid will reach your throat and mouth and do its thing.
Look up the symptoms. For me, it explained my 'asthmatic symptoms' without having asthma (since I was in elementary school), my sensation of having a lump in my throat (I can't wear anything that touches my throat), hoarseness, postnasal drip (which often comes with a white coating on the tongue you can't get rid of, bad breath, as well as constant 'allergy symptoms'), chronic cough/throat clearing, etc.
Why did I have this? Milk. I went on an elimination diet 6 months ago and it is the best thing I ever did. I already suspected my milk problems went beyond some lactose intolerance. Once I went milk (and egg) free my brain fog cleared up, I could breathe again (I had a lot of problems breathing), my constant allergy symptoms (e.g., having a dripping nose 24/7) disappeared, my white tongue became pink, my excessive throat mucus disappeared, etc. In addition, my 365 days a year morning headache disappeared, and my Hashimoto's symptoms diminished (no more falling asleep several times a day!).
What is the reason? I suspect I, and my family members, have a dairy protein intolerance. This is probably what triggered my Hashimoto's in the end, mediated by a deteroriating GI tract (leaky gut).
If you have a thyroid issue you can't just take Pepcid or anything like that (because of existing low stomach issues). I treat it with a 100% dairy free diet (that means reading every label and returning to a more whole food diet). I also take Betaine HCl and digestive enzymes during meals to help with digestion. No foods in the three hours before going to bed. I do still clear my throat a lot around dinner time, probably related to the Betaine HCl. Like others mentioned, making sure your vitamin levels are good helps (I take some key vitamins in decent doses - I have been vitD deficient on various occassions).
In return, I don't have any GI issues anymore, and I can be a normal social being. Giving up dairy (and eggs) completely was a small price to pay. Like you though, the damage to my teeth has been done, and I am staring at many high $$ repairs.
Sorry for the long explanation!
Cheers!
I do appreciate the long comment. It is very informative. I want to try the no milk trip, but why the eggs?
Hi Easylover,
I think that if it is an issue, the dairy protein intolerance is the main issue.
However, I am mentioning my egg intolerance because I think people can have more intolerances that may still affect digestive functioning. I quit the eggs shortly after I quit the dairy (I am still partially on the elimination diet - e.g., I still have to try beans, I also avoid tomatoes as that gave me GI symptoms). So, if symptoms persist (and like me you also have some GI issues and perhaps thyroid symptoms that don't really go away) you probably have other intolerances that may also feed the acid reflux problem.
I would also definitely read up on Betaine HCl to figure out if that can help you. The idea with reflux in Hashi's patients at least, people with low stomach acid, is that the sphincter does not get the trigger to close. That trigger is acidity. So increasing stomach acid not only helps with digestion (and thus gives you those vitamins) but also with closing the sphincter that's allowing the reflux issues to happen.
However, I tried Betaine HCl when still eating dairy, I also tried Pepcid (you get temporary relief and then the thyroid symptoms increase - not a solution at all), but quitting dairy is the only thing that made a difference in my entire body, including a huge difference in my mouth/throat/nose.
p.s. Perhaps for some people it is just a lactose intolerance that causes the same issues. However, for me, it didn't go away until I quit dairy completely. So in my case it wasn't just a lactose intolerance. You can also read about dairy protein intolerance on various Hashimoto's websites. It is likely number one after a gluten intolerance. In other words, many people find relief after quitting dairy (and it is probably related to the proteins, not the sugars in dairy).
p.s.2 Dark chocolate without dairy exists. I buy cookies that are in essence free of all top 8-10 allergens. But, low sugar diets == great for Hashimoto's.
That's what i wanted to ask is what does your diet now consist of? Thank you for answering. I appreciate your help.
I wanted to try the no milk...maybe no eggs? just because of your comment about hypothyroid symptoms that never go away!
Hi Easylover ,
I think the best way to describe my diet is:
- 100% GF (I started that a long time ago - many Hashimoto's patient go GF and it did help to a certain extent)
- 100% dairy free
- 100% egg free (I do intend on testing eggs again, but I doubt it will be different this time, when I tried it I was sick for over 12 hours and extremely bloated and gassy within 30 min... I don't think I should doubt that this was an extreme reaction)
- I now eat fish and chicken (I used to be a vegetarian ). Sometimes other meat, but I find that difficult (I don't like the taste & texture of meat).
- I aim for approximately 63 grams (1 gram per kg body weight) of protein per day, about 15-20 g per meal on purpose (e.g., 15 grams from chicken on purpose, while knowing the meal contains more protein because of protein in rice etc.). I feel this is a good target (1 gram per kg body weight) if you try to stay moderately active.
- at least one smoothie for easy proteins per day (also recommended by many people as a way to give the body easily digestible proteins). I often do not truly wake up until those easy proteins are in my body. So now I am trying to start with the smoothie in the morning even when I want something hearty. When I am lazy I just drink a pre-made protein drink (like Owyn). Otherwise I normally use Orgain powder (contains mostly pea protein), coconut or almond milk, and some fruit (+ some veggies). I also combine powders like collagen and almond or pumpkin powder. I normally use mandarins (citrus fruits seem to be ok for me) or blueberries.
- I avoid tomatoes for now (but did have GF vegan pizza the other day and I felt that went ok)
- I still need to introduce most legumes, including all beans, as well as peppers and some nuts (like peanuts).
- Tofu (soy) reaction was okay (far better than eggs) but I limit consumption
- I try to eat foods with probiotics (coconut yoghurt, kombucha, fermented pickles) on purpose, but also often take probiotics (maintenance dose). However, the other week I could not consume probiotics and it went alright (probably a sign that I significantly healed my intestines in the past months).
- I tried corn and that went ok
- I eat a lot of avocados, leafy greens, zucchini, carrot, cucumber, eggplant (potatoe and eggplant seem to be fine), broccoli, cabbage, olives, mushrooms, etc.
- I will eat oatmeal with walnuts, blueberries (or raisins), and some honey as a snack/quick meal. I also snack on nuts but don't see them as a main protein source anymore (as I used to do when I was a vegetarian).
- I have noticed that limiting sugar consumption (to the point that I only eat a few tiny cookies or a little bit of chocolate per day) is also key. I also try to limit my complex carb consumption (e.g., one of the meals is the smoothie, and I eat less carbs, e.g. rice, at night). This happened automatically while I was doing the elimination diet (as you're not allowed to eat processed foods) so I noticed the difference. The sugar high-crash rollercoaster effect is devastating when you have a thyroid issue. I also noticed that cinnamon can have that same crash effect on me.
I have to say that without eggs, etc., certain vits/minerals are not as prevalent in the diet (+ if you don't eat fortified products or salt with iodine... that being said there are breads that are GF and vegan though, but not as fortified). So, I did keep losing my hair, even though my intestines were doing better, I was less depressed and brain-fogged, and I could do my work. In the end, I did my iodine math and decided that iodine is severely lacking in my diet. I am on a T4/T3 combo treatment but my thyroid should still produce a part of my thyroid hormones. I started adding iodine (just the RDV not more as that can be unsafe for Hashimoto's patients), zinc, omegas, D3 to my already ever-present iron supplement and that seemed to do the trick (I feel that especially the iodine made a difference). I take selenium and vit E with my thyroid meds in the morning. I switched my soap and shampoo, etc., to friendlier versions and my hair stopped falling out.
Hope this helps! I don't necessarily think you should follow my diet. Everyone is different - you just need to figure out what is harming you (and I bet something is harming you!). However, after suffering from Hashi's for 10 years with no relief really, and suffering from GI issues (and those decaying teeth, etc.) for over 30 years, I can say that the elimination diet is what actually helped me the most (I did the extreme version; I went all in --> see the thyroid pharmacist website). Just be aware that new vit/mineral deficiencies can pop up as you are changing your diet, so vit/mineral math - and a food diary of some sort - is crucial. As I began the elimination diet I also supplemented with elemental diet powder (as I could not use any pea protein powders). This was in part because at that point I did not even eat chicken... I had to change a lot.
Hope some of this helps! And again, sorry for the long story.
I love your long story! I have to read it again later and may ask you questions tomorrow. I have enjoyed this immensely. Thank You! I WANT TO FEEL GREAT AGAIN 😌
Great responses!
How did you diagnose / confirm silent reflux?
Was it just by treating/elimination diet? Or was there a test?
No, it's just an idea.
None of my doctors ever did a test (I am in the US, it is difficicult to get them to do tests), but 'diagnosed' me on several occassions and prescribed Pepcid (which does more harm than good when you're a Hashimoto's patient). In hindsight I did have some heartburn (so, some obvious symptoms) when still living in TX but did not know what was happening to me. Shortly after I was diagnosed with a thyroid issue and I have had a lot of heart palpitations so I just thought it was all the same thing.
For me, the biggest thing is that I can breathe again (and socially that my tongue is not covered in an unforgiving layer of white stuff). So, I never confirmed it in a diagnostic way. But all my previous symptoms in life, and now the disappearance of those symptoms (as well as they fact that they would temporarily improve when on Pepcid) are - for me- confirmation enough.
In the end, treating Hashimoto's, for me, is figuring out 95% without the help of a doctor... As they say, your medical history is one of the most important pieces of the puzzle. In hindsight, it was for me.
Tx. Going to keep this in mind…
Maybe don't overdo the brushing, my teeth have never been the best, way too much sugar I suspect, I only brush once, at night, because I don't want to damage my gums by over flossing and I use a water pick first. Those bristle things for between your teeth are awful! They get stuck, they shred my gums, they break and then I have to get them out, binned every size I tried even the tiny orange ones. There can be a hereditary aspect too, do family members have dental issues? Finally, calcium levels might be involved. Teeth like any other part of your body are fed internally via the gut. What you eat is important for the overall health of your body.
Are you optimised? My teeth started feeling like they were marching round my head before I finally got a hypothyroid diagnosis after a very long battle with the white coats. I later read it was not unusual for all the teeth to fall out in those with thyroid disorder (could be before effective treatment with NDT commenced). The marching stopped even with t4 monotherapy (I’m now on NDT much better) but I still have gum disease and I’m sure it’s something to do with the hypo. The teeth themselves are fine it must be the stuff that holds them in place that is compromised by our plight in life.
I also use a waterpik and OralB (deluxe is better than basic one I had before) toothbrush which both help
Hi there, one more teeth suggestion… I just got an Oral B electric toothbrush. It was expensive (mine was $100 but there are others, and also some more expensive ones do have sales.) But my teeth and gums went downhill during pandemic and manual brushing didn’t feel like it was getting all the surfaces.
It arrived yesterday and a single 2 minute brushing session and I was shocked and amazed how well it worked. Felt like I had a professional cleaning. I can’t even tell you how awesome it was, it was so good.
The toothbrush itself has a timer and reminds you to floss and rinse after.
I wish I’d gotten one sooner as the person that recommended it to me years ago had themselves reversed receding gums and never got another cavity after.
FIR,
If you are bowled over with your electric toothbrush, then try a Waterpick. It gives results like visiting a hygienist. You can get cheaper versions on Amazon.
Had one growing up! Never understood the mechanics of it but now I’m intrigued, will look into!!!
Waterpicks are fairly new on the market in recent years. They are basically a powerful jet wash for your mouth. I love mine. Even use it on my gums and tongue 🤣
I had one that looked like this in the 70s:
pinterest.com/pin/624875135...
My daughter had 5 years ago when she got braces.
Also looking at the website you sent - are you saying a waterpik can help blast off the dark stuff that has accumulated on my teeth at my gum line??
FIR,
🤣, and I haven't a clue, just know mine makes my teeth and mouth feel shiny and new.
Wow, I didn't know Waterpicks went back that far, so am now assuming the cordless, standup model variety available in multiple colours is a reinvention that has ignited previous long lost interest?
I got one and it was brilliant but now my teeth at the front hurt all of a sudden in the day so I’m not sure if it’s too much. I can only use it on the lowest setting or it’s agony the bottom front ones are worst afflicted at the gum margin when I get the pain . I got one of those deluxe OralB toothbrushes which cost a darn fortune but it is really good. I don’t fancy root canal work which I’ve read can stop the pain but if it gets worse I might have to. It’s truly awful.
I agree an electric toothbrush does help, but even with different electric toothbrushes throughout the years... you are treating the symptoms not the disease of course. The ultrasoft toothbrushes are the only ones that work for me. I used the other ones for my tongue (I have on Oral B with a tongue setting as well).
I use the tongue setting and gums as well as daily clean after flossing with sticks I found bamboo handle versions so feel better about those than placky ones then I waterpik them on lowest setting I find bottom inside teeth margin really hard to do and get covered in water every time 🙄
I also have a waterpik en use it off and on. I did lose an old filling when I started using it... so be careful! Lot's of power.
Hahaha! I am intrigued!!!
OMG! Poor you.
Yes, agree they are very powerful. I keep mine super-charged for maximum power as love it 😆.
Teeth stable but I do have issues with slimy saliva (weird I know 🙄, another Hashi symptom 🤷♀️) and the Waterpick just blasts it all away.
‘Oral B with a tongue setting’ sounds good and I errr … love cycling (mountain-biking) too 😁 🚴♀️
I've used an electric one for years and I'd agree, a manual brush just isn't as good. I've also reversed receding gums, I was quite surprised when I noticed!
I thought I replied to you. Maybe, I didn't hit the button. I was wondering what series is yours and does it have a full size brush or is it smaller? I am looking ☺
I researched/googled electric toothbrushes with a larger head for a long time… hard to find.
Then I realized that there’s something to it, because the smaller round brush head is perfect for each tooth and gets all around it.
I got the io6 in pink… because the pink in particular was on sale : ) the io6 does only allow the io6 compatible brushes … and the other models seem to have other size heads. But I couldn’t bring myself to spend more than 100, and liked the pink : )
Electric toothbrushes are one of those things that seem to be permanently reduced. Even in Waitrose lol. TK Maxx always has them and the brushes and they're always a lot cheaper than anywhere else I've seen them.
I’ve tried those others in stores… the Oral B is like next level clean : )
The vast majority are Oral B
Nice! Not in the states as far as I have seen: )
Ah, didn't realise you weren't local lol.
Nah, I’m in the US, just over here, drinking fluoridated water since the 70’s 😭😭😭
I am also in the US. For a while I was convinced that TX fluoridated water triggered it. But really... It was probably just an add on that filled up the bucket a bit faster.
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