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NHS use a range of 7.86 - 14.41 pmol/L when measuring t4. However, every time I've had a private test they use much higher reference ranges of roughly 12-22 pmol/L. Even weirder, my t4 always comes back much lower when NHS tested, and higher when privately. Therefore, it always comes back within range.

I know different labs use different ones, but my previous 5 tests have been:

15.5 (private, most recent)

8.9 (NHS)

9 (NHS)

9.5 (NHS)

9.4 (NHS)

16.2 (private)

15.8 (private, oldest)

They're the same unit of pmol/L. Just confused as my most recent private test of 15.5 would be classed as too high by the NHS range, and my previous 4 NHS tests would be classed as too low by the private range. Am i missing something?!

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The ranges are set to how the machine dong the blood test is calibrated.

Theoretically if you worked out the percentage through range of your results you would see that they fall in a similar % and thus are comparable.

See link to work out blood test percentage thru range: thyroid.chingkerrs.online/

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Are all tests done early morning, ideally before 9am

If you use percentage calculator you can compare the tests

thyroid.chingkerrs.online

Free T4 (fT4) 15 pmol/L (12 - 22) 30.0%

NHS Ft4  8.9  (7.86 - 14.41) 15.9%

Your profile says you have Hashimoto’s and PCOS

29/02/2024:

TSH: 6.14 (0.27 - 4.2)

T3: 4.7 (3.1 - 6.8)

T4: 15.5 (12 - 22)

Anti TPO: 124 (0 - 34)

Anti TG: 317 (0 - 115)

Folate: 11.3 (> 7)

B12: 57 (37.5 - 188)

Vit D 69.6 (50 - 250)

Ferritin: 26.6 (30 - 180)

Vitamin levels are all low, but especially ferritin

Are you currently on any replacement thyroid hormones ?

Starting levothyroxine - flow chart

gps.northcentrallondonccg.n...

katyy94x profile image
katyy94x in reply toSlowDragon

Hello, yep all done around 7:30am having fasted. None of these tests were done whilst taking levothyroxine, but i have literally just started it. Weirdly, my TSH was highest it's been when my t4 was 15.5. What might cause my t4 to naturally have improved whilst my TSH has gotten worse?

Waiting for my GP to come back to me about my vitamin levels at the moment.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply tokatyy94x

Your GP should run full iron panel test for anaemia

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/anae...

Serum ferritin level is the biochemical test, which most reliably correlates with relative total body iron stores. In all people, a serum ferritin level of less than 30 micrograms/L confirms the diagnosis of iron deficiency.

Never supplement iron without doing full iron panel test for anaemia first and retest 3-4 times a year if self supplementing.

It’s possible to have low ferritin but high iron

Test early morning, only water to drink between waking and test. Avoid high iron rich dinner night before test

Medichecks iron panel test

medichecks.com/products/iro...

Look at increasing iron rich foods in diet

Eating iron rich foods like liver or liver pate once a week plus other red meat, pumpkin seeds and dark chocolate, plus daily orange juice or other vitamin C rich drink can help improve iron absorption

List of iron rich foods

dailyiron.net

Links about iron and ferritin

irondisorders.org/too-littl...

davidg170.sg-host.com/wp-co...

Great in-depth article on low ferritin

oatext.com/iron-deficiency-...

drhedberg.com/ferritin-hypo...

This is interesting because I have noticed that many patients with Hashimoto’s disease and hypothyroidism, start to feel worse when their ferritin drops below 80 and usually there is hair loss when it drops below 50.

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Posts discussing Three Arrows as very effective supplement

Great replies from @FallingInReverse

re ferritin and Three arrows

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu......

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Iron patches

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Thyroid disease is as much about optimising vitamins as thyroid hormones

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

restartmed.com/hypothyroidi...

Post discussing just how long it can take to raise low ferritin

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Iron and thyroid link

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Posts discussing why important to do full iron panel test

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Good iron but low ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Chicken livers if iron is good, but ferritin low

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Shellfish and Mussels are excellent source of iron

healthline.com/nutrition/he...

Iron deficiency without anaemia

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Ferritin over 100 to alleviate symptoms

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Great research article discussing similar…..ferritin over 100 often necessary

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Low Iron implicated in hypothyroidism

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Really interesting talk on YouTube, link in reply by Humanbean discussing iron deficiency and weight gain and towards end how inflammation can also be an issue

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Inflammation affecting ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Updated reference ranges for top of ferritin range depending upon age

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Thank you for your incredible patience while you have been awaiting the outcome of our ferritin reference range review. We conducted this with Inuvi lab, which has now changed the reference ranges to the following:

Females 18 ≤ age < 40. 30 to 180

Females 40 ≤ age < 50. 30 to 207

Females 50 ≤ age < 60. 30 to 264l

Females Age ≥ 60. 30 to 332

Males 18 ≤ age < 40 30 to 442

Males Age ≥ 40 30 to 518

The lower limits of 30 are by the NICE threshold of <30 for iron deficiency. Our review of Medichecks data has determined the upper limits. This retrospective study used a large dataset of blood test results from 25,425 healthy participants aged 18 to 97 over seven years. This is the most extensive study on ferritin reference ranges, and we hope to achieve journal publication so that these ranges can be applied more widely.

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108Optimist in reply toSlowDragon

Hi there SlowDragon Ive seen a few posts lately quoting the CKS ferritin reference range <30. I find it a bit misleading. I think we also need to say that first of all, something on your FBC must be out of range, for instance haemoglobin. If it is, AND if ferritin is below 30, then it is a confirmation of iron deficiency anemia. Ferritin <30, on its own, does not indicate iron deficiency anemia in the NHS. I know you understand the CKS and the contact of ferritin, but not everyone will, so im adding it here.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply to108Optimist

Whatever the rest of the NHS says and believes, the NICE CKS seems to be absolutely unambiguous:

NICE

Clinical Knowledge Summary > Anaemia - iron deficiency

Last revised in September 2023

Serum ferritin level is the biochemical test that most reliably correlates with relative total body iron stores. In all people, a serum ferritin level of less than 30 micrograms/L confirms the diagnosis of iron deficiency.

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/anae...

I read that as saying ferritin test result below 30 alone - without any other test or observation - confirms iron deficiency.

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108Optimist in reply tohelvella

helvella Hi there. Yes I know that with a glance it appears to say that about ferritin. If you read it from the top, in the order it is written, it clearly states

"Anaemia is defined as a haemoglobin (Hb) level two standard deviations below the normal for age and sex.

In men aged over 15 years — Hb below 130 g/L.

In non-pregnant women aged over 15 years — Hb below 120 g/L.

In children aged 12–14 years — Hb below 120 g/L.

In pregnant women — Hb below 110 g/L throughout pregnancy. An Hb level of 110 g/L or more appears adequate in the first trimester, and a level of 105 g/L appears adequate in the second and third trimesters.

Postpartum — below 100 g/L."

Then it goes on to say that diagnosis is confirmed (following the Hb result) by a ferretin<30.

The reason is says "in all people" is because the hb levels are differentiated for sex and pregnancy status, but ferretin is not.

NHS follows Nice guidance, so I was not meaning to differentiate NHS from cks. The cks are from nice, and nice guides NHS practice.

I'm 100% certain of what I'm saying. Read it again, you may see my point. I misunderstood it the first few times I read it. I have verified this with scientists and clinicians. My intention of correcting here is to prevent people from going to their GP with the wrong information and being disappointed.

👍

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to108Optimist

To me this webpage still reads as ferritin is an independent indicator of low iron

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/anae...

We certainly see many, many members benefit from improving low ferritin over 70 and often over 100 better

Especially with inflammatory disease, like Hashimoto’s and or restless legs

Yes they frequently have to self supplement and self test full iron panel 3-4 times a year to do so

108Optimist profile image
108Optimist in reply toSlowDragon

I'm 💯 with you about using ferretin as a guide and getting it up to help with some symptoms.We know that. But unfortunately it doesn't change what CKS says. Unfortunately. And imagine relying on the information here, going to a GP, and being shot down. We all know how demoralising that is. And unfortunately the GP would be right to look for poor Hb result before considering ferritin.

I was very excited when I first read the cks. I thought... finally, common sense! But, no 😭

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply tokatyy94x

Vit D 69.6 (50 - 250)

GP will often only prescribe to bring vitamin D levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol or even 80nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But with Hashimoto’s, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly when supplementing

Can test via NHS private testing service

vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function.

There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7.

One spray = 1000iu

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with thyroid issues we frequently need higher dose than average

Vitamin D and thyroid disease

grassrootshealth.net/blog/t...

Vitamin D may prevent Autoimmune disease

newscientist.com/article/23...

Web links about taking important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Interesting article by Dr Malcolm Kendrick on magnesium

drmalcolmkendrick.org/categ...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

Too much Vitamin D is toxic

Test twice a year

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toSlowDragon

Folate: 11.3 (> 7)

Active B12: 57 (37.5 - 188)

GP won’t be familiar with Active B12 test results

They may rerun tests via NHS anyway

only start one supplement at a time, then wait 10-14 days to assess before adding another

Starting with vitamin D

Don’t start any B vitamins until after……if GP wants to test

Low B12 symptoms

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

methyl-life.com/blogs/defic...

With serum B12 result below 500, (Or active B12 below 70) recommended to be taking a separate B12 supplement

A week later add a separate vitamin B Complex 

Then once your serum B12 is over 500 (or Active B12 level has reached 70), you may be able to reduce then stop the B12 and just carry on with the B Complex.

If Vegetarian or vegan likely to need ongoing separate B12 few times a week

Highly effective B12 drops

natureprovides.com/products...

Or

B12 sublingual lozenges

uk.iherb.com/pr/jarrow-form...

cytoplan.co.uk/shop-by-prod...

B12 range in U.K. is too wide

Interesting that in this research B12 below 400 is considered inadequate

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Low folate

supplementing a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in (not folic acid)

This can help keep all B vitamins in balance and will help improve B12 levels too

Difference between folate and folic acid

healthline.com/nutrition/fo...

Many Hashimoto’s patients have MTHFR gene variation and can have trouble processing folic acid.

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

B vitamins best taken after breakfast

Igennus B complex popular option too. Nice small tablets. Most people only find they need one per day. But a few people find it’s not high enough dose

Post discussing different B complex

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Thorne Basic B recommended vitamin B complex that contains folate, but they are large capsules. (You can tip powder out if can’t swallow capsule) Thorne can be difficult to find at reasonable price, should be around £20-£25. iherb.com often have in stock. Or try ebay

IMPORTANT......If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate folate supplement (eg Jarrow methyl folate 400mcg) and continue separate B12

Post discussing how biotin can affect test results

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

helvella.blogspot.com/p/hel...

SlowDragon profile image
SlowDragonAdministrator

Pregnancy guidelines

thyroiduk.org/having-a-baby/

NICE guidelines that if hypothyroid or subclinical you should see endocrinologist BEFORE TTC

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

See pages 7&8

btf-thyroid.org/Handlers/Do...

Also here - dose increase in levothyroxine as soon as pregnancy test confirms conception

cuh.nhs.uk/patient-informat...

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

Low ferritin, low thyroid levels and miscarriage

preventmiscarriage.com/iron...

Low iron and hypothyroid

endocrineweb.com/news/thyro...

Folate and B12 and Neural tube defects and autism

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

ec.bioscientifica.com/view/...

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