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I’ve been taking levothyroxine for 2.5yrs now for Hashimotos hypothyroidism. Currently taking 100. I’ve just had the below results through which my doctor wants to discuss in a couple of weeks. She doesn’t seem to understand and I don’t have confidence in what I’m being told. Can you help me understand them please before I go and see her. I’m struggling with excessive weight gain, my hair is starting to recede and I have no hair on my arms, legs or eyebrows. I’m trying so hard to find out why but not getting very far. Anyway my results are below so any help you can give would be appreciated.

Many thanks in advance

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Low vitamin levels are EXTREMELY common with Hashimoto’s especially if not correctly treated

Have you had coeliac blood test done

Or are you already on strictly gluten free diet or dairy free diet

Do you always get same brand levothyroxine at each prescription

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested.

Very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 at least once year minimum

Politely request/insist GP test vitamin D, folate and B12

Ideally a full iron panel test including ferritin too

Hairloss often linked to low iron/ferritin

Recommended on here that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test 

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

List of private testing options and money off codes

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Medichecks Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning. 

Watch out for postal strikes, probably want to pay for guaranteed 24 hours delivery 

Link about thyroid blood tests

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Link about Hashimoto’s

thyroiduk.org/hypothyroid-b...

Symptoms of hypothyroidism 

thyroiduk.org/wp-content/up...

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Free T4 (fT4) 17.3 pmol/L (11 - 23) 52.5%

Free T3 (fT3) 4.1 pmol/L (3.9 - 6.8) 6.9%

assuming test was early morning and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

Shows you are not on high enough dose levothyroxine as Ft4 is too low

Ft3 is much much lower than Ft4

Shows terrible conversion rate of Ft4 to Ft3

Most people when adequately treated will have Ft3 at least 50-60% through range

Often Ft4 needs to be a little higher at approx 70-90% through range

Likely low vitamin levels and gluten and/or dairy intolerance

Approx how much do you weigh in kilo

Guidelines on dose levothyroxine by weight is approx 1.6mcg levothyroxine per kilo per day

Some people need higher dose…..a few need less

Approx how old

Pre or post menopause

Conversion often gets worse after menopause

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efm2022 in reply toSlowDragon

thank you so much for your reply. I wish my doctor and endo had just a fraction of your knowledge! Ok to answer your questions

not had coeliac test done

I try to limit my dairy and gluten but still have some

My levo is often a different brand, rarely is the same 2 months in a row. They tell me this is due to availability.

I had my vitamins checked in June (see photo). I was taking vit D3/ K2 and vit B complex when this was done.

I am 48, peri menopause. Just been put on HRT

I’ve put on 2 stone since taking levo. I’m now 12 stone😔.

Should I ask about doing the NHS trial for T3 ?

Thank you so so much for being on this forum. It has helped me so much since diagnosis. I will be writing all this down for them to see X

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so if you need to be gluten free, it needs to be absolutely strictly gluten free to be effective

Which brand of levothyroxine do you prefer

Many people find Teva brand upsets them

Vitamin D and folate could be better

B12 is too low

How much vitamin D are you currently taking

Suggest you increase dose and retest end of January

Which B complex are you taking

HRT - is this patch or tablets

HRT tablets frequently results in needing higher dose levothyroxine

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efm2022 in reply toSlowDragon

I’m taking HRT as a gel and pill form. My suppliments are:-

NuU VIT B complex

Howard’s & James VIT D3 +K2 (4000Iu +100ug)

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toefm2022

As your vitamin B complex contains biotin did you remember to stop taking this 5-7 days before test

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efm2022 in reply toSlowDragon

yes I did remember and I hadn’t taken my levo either so the results should be correct.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toefm2022

extremely common to need dose increase in levothyroxine after adding HRT

GP may only look at low TSH and want to reduce levothyroxine dose

Be ready to refuse that.

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Low B12

Low B12 symptoms 

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

methyl-life.com/blogs/defic...

With serum B12 result below 500, (Or active B12 below 70) recommended to be taking a B12 supplement as well as a B Complex (to balance all the B vitamins) initially for first 2-4 months.

once your serum B12 is over 500 (or Active B12 level has reached 70), stop the B12 and just carry on with the B Complex.

In week before blood test, when you have to stop vitamin B complex, you want to consider taking a separate methyl folate supplement during that week and continue separate B12

Separate B12 options

B12 drops 

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

B12 sublingual lozenges 

amazon.co.uk/Jarrow-Methylc...

cytoplan.co.uk/shop-by-prod...

B12 range in U.K. is too wide

Interesting that in this research B12 below 400 is considered inadequate 

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

How other member saw how effective improving low B vitamins has been 

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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request 25mcg dose increase in levothyroxine

And try to get same brand levothyroxine at each prescription

Guidelines on dose levothyroxine by weight suggests you need 121mcg per day…..some people need higher dose than guidelines

So try 125mcg everyday

Retest in 6-8 weeks via Medichecks or Blue horizon

pathlabs.rlbuht.nhs.uk/tft_...

Guiding Treatment with Thyroxine: 

In the majority of patients 50-100 μg thyroxine can be used as the starting dose. Alterations in dose are achieved by using 25-50 μg increments and adequacy of the new dose can be confirmed by repeat measurement of TSH after 2-3 months. 

The majority of patients will be clinically euthyroid with a ‘normal’ TSH and having thyroxine replacement in the range 75-150 μg/day (1.6ug/Kg on average).

The recommended approach is to titrate thyroxine therapy against the TSH concentration whilst assessing clinical well-being. The target is a serum TSH within the reference range. 

……The primary target of thyroxine replacement therapy is to make the patient feel well and to achieve a serum TSH that is within the reference range. The corresponding FT4 will be within or slightly above its reference range.

The minimum period to achieve stable concentrations after a change in dose of thyroxine is two months and thyroid function tests should not normally be requested before this period has elapsed.

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Hairloss

Ask GP for full iron panel test for anaemia and can they test zinc level

Ferritin can be high due to inflammation

Iron might be low

Have you got a CRP test result?

inflammation test

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efm2022 in reply toSlowDragon

I haven’t had a CRP test or inflammation that I know of

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toefm2022

Hashimoto’s causes inflammation

So ferritin can be falsely high ….even if iron is low

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vitamin D needs magnesium too

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

no point testing for coeliac if not on high levels of gluten

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So get 25mcg dose increase in levothyroxine

Add separate B12 supplement alongside vitamin B complex

A separate magnesium supplement

Get full iron panel test and zinc tested (hopefully via GP)

Go absolutely strictly gluten free

Limit dairy

Try to always get same brand levothyroxine at each prescription. GP can specify brand on prescription

Retest thyroid and vitamin levels in January

You may need further increase in levothyroxine

Or

If Ft4 is at top of range and Ft3 remains low

Email Thyroid U.K. for list of recommended thyroid specialist endocrinologist and doctors who will prescribe T3

tukadmin@thyroiduk.org

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efm2022 in reply toSlowDragon

I realised I put my question as a reply to myself…oops!

So my endocrinologist has replied to my doctor about my request for T3 medication and to address the weight gain. Their response is that my TSH is suppressed so I am on more than adequate levo. They are not attributing my huge weight gain to my thyroid/Hashimotos. They suggested a dietetic referral and don’t think liothyronine is of any benefit. They said it was associated with a higher risk of adverse effects.

I have been looking at all the information you all kindly gave me links to, but I wondered if you could help me have answers ready when I have my doctors appt in a weeks time when I’m confident they will want to reduce my levo and refuse t3 medication. Thanks in advance x

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vast majority of endocrinologists are diabetes specialists and useless for thyroid

Also more interested in their own career progression than standing up for thyroid patients

roughly where in U.K. are you

Email Thyroid U.K. for list of recommended thyroid specialist endocrinologist and doctors who will prescribe T3

tukadmin@thyroiduk.org

private prescription enables access to Thybon Henning 20mcg tablets via specialist U.K. pharmacies at approx 50-60p per tablet

Typical daily dose is 5mcg twice a day or possibly 3 x per day. Cutting tablets into 1/4’s

59,900 prescriptions for T3 in England in last year on NHS

Searchable by area here

openprescribing.net/analyse...

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Suggest you read all this carefully

Especially pages 3 & 4

sps.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploa...

Page 9 

Test for Deficiency of any of the following: Vitamin B12, Folate,  Vitamin D, Iron

See page 13 

1. Where symptoms of hypothyroidism persist despite optimal dosage with levothyroxine. (TSH 0.4-1.5mU/L)

Are you taking HRT at least 4 hours away from levothyroxine

Suggest you experiment with splitting your dose levothyroxine. Try taking half dose waking and half at bedtime. Plus improving low vitamin levels…..you may see TSH increase at next test

Refuse to reduce dose levothyroxine and request another test in 6-8 weeks

Book test for early morning, ideally before 9am and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

If Ft3 remains low at next test look at seeing recommended thyroid specialist endocrinologist from the list who will prescribe T3

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efm2022 in reply toSlowDragon

thank you so much, I will do all of the above! I wish I could take you with me😂. Thanks for all your help. I will keep you posted on how I get on X

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efm2022 in reply toSlowDragon

I had my phone appt with my doctor today and I actually cried when the call ended. She had no interest in anything I had to say. She told me everything is in range and fine. When I discussed my (your) findings regarding t4 to t3 conversion she said it was nonsense and where was I getting this information from. She has agreed reluctantly to do a blood test in 6wks just to get me off the phone. She would not discuss my weight gain or other symptoms as all look fine. She was truly horrible.

Anyway I’ve got the blood test and hopefully a referral back to the endocrinologist but I feel totally deflated after finally feeling I had some useful information that would help. I know the endo will do the same thing😔

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Vast majority of endocrinologists are diabetes specialists and useless for thyroid

Email Thyroid U.K. for list of thyroid specialist endocrinologists and doctors who will prescribe T3 if clinically appropriate 

tukadmin@thyroiduk.org

Roughly where in U.K. are you

Increasing numbers of people are getting prescribed T3 on NHS

Searchable by CCG area or GP surgery

openprescribing.net/analyse...

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tattybogle

Hi efm2022, you need to be prepared for the possibility that your GP most likely wants to see you to discuss reducing your dose of levo. and is very unlikely to agree willingly to increase your dose .

This is due to your TSH being below range (and lower than it was at your previous test).

Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) is the message from the pituitary to the thyroid asking for more or less thyroid hormone to be produced) and TSH is often all GP's look at or have an interest in , so they may ignore your fT4 / fT3 results and just say ,, " but your TSH say's you are overmedicated, which is bad for your heart and bones , so i need to reduce your dose "

To prepare for this conversation , spend some time reading through the list of posts about low TSH /quality of life /risks:

The list is in my reply to this post (3rd reply down) healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

(sorry it's a convoluted way of finding the list , one day i will sort it out better )

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efm2022 in reply totattybogle

Thank you for the heads up. I will have a look at those so I’m prepared😁

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Litatamon

Hi,

I used to have clumps of hair in my brush and in my drain catcher.

I recently switched from Synthroid to NDT & it is no longer happening.

I also feel that although it is not a total regrowth, my eyebrows are changing for the positive.

Synthroid lists hair loss as a side effect, but claims it is temporary. I have no clue if that is across the board for all levothyroxine.

All the best to you figuring it all out, in a timely manner - as I know how frustrating it can be to watch these symptoms progress.

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efm2022

So my endocrinologist has replied to my doctor about my request for T3 medication and to address the weight gain. Their response is that my TSH is suppressed so I am on more than adequate levo. They are not attributing my huge weight gain to my thyroid/Hashimotos. They suggested a dietetic referral and don’t think liothyronine is of any benefit. They said it was associated with a higher risk of adverse effects.

I have been looking at all the information you all kindly gave me links to but I wondered if you could help me have answers ready when I have my doctors appt in a weeks time when I’m confident they will want to reduce my levo and refuse t3 medication. Thanks in advance x

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