Sorry it's me again. I've had a cortisol test done by Regenerus after lengthy posts regarding my thyroid. I wanted to find a possible answer to high anxiety as in previous chats. If there is anyone here who can look at my test results I would be grateful. I know you're not doctors but I'm wandering if it could be related to the thyroid not working at its best. I have results I can post but I won't put them up if no-one has any experience in high cortisol and low estrogen. Thankyou.
It's me again! Cortisol and estrogen knowledge? - Thyroid UK
It's me again! Cortisol and estrogen knowledge?
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Balance microbiome to address anxiety
Listen to these experts. link below
gutbrainseries.com/episode1...?
That's very interesting toisten to. I've had gastritis for years but since this last bout which is severe my anxiety hit the roof. I do eat natural yoghurt everyday and I will look for the liquorice product mentioned. I've been trying to heal my gut through a good diet but it's a slow process. Thankyou for the link and advice.
Hi, its difficult isnt it but I think a lot of great advice from those specialists. Personally I dont think a natural yoghurt can hope to touch such a problem. You may even have a problem with dairy. A coconut yoghurt may be helpful but most are full of rubbish additives. The best is / or was when I last bought £5 a large pot so not feasable really. I think really need a lot more specific and amount of probiotic organisms to balance microbiome than what yoghurt provide. I use Bio Live Dark a liquid probiotic from website Microbz . co .uk The company/farm The Chuckling Goat provide goats milk kefir I believe that has fantastic reviews for digestive problems. But a long waiting list for postal subscription.
But it seems definitely that we need to rebalance our microbiome. So eating only organic as the herbicides and pesticides used, kill off our good bacteria leaving open to our gut being exploited to more bad bacteria and consequently leaky gut . Gluten is also known to make the gut leaky in everybody - nothing to do with whether coeliac or not. And it seems from the interviews, that an unbalanced gut microbiome leading to a leaky gut, is a downward slope to poor health. So somewhere to start, along with intermittent fasting they mentioned. Eat the last meal of the day and then extend the time till your next meal. breaking the fast - till say lunch time . so basically you have fasted from say 7pm to 12pm, most while asleep. This gives your body time to focus on healing. It takes a lot of energy and extra blood supply to digest. I intermittent fast and very quickly did not feel hungry. So much so that I may not eat my first meal until often about 2 pm. Need to drink lots of water. x
The link you sent is now unavailable. Just thought I'd let you know.
It was the link about gutbrainseries.com/episode 1. Hoe you didn't mind me mentioning it. I am searching for similar things regarding the gut and brain but thankyou for sending it anyway.
Oh, it was a limited airing of the interviews. You can purchase the interview series but expensive . I had thought replaying them this weekend, I am sure similar interviews and subject gut brain health will come up to register to listen to the free airings. But you wont be advised of if they don't have your email address to let you know. Healthmeans is often the server that broadcasts such podcasts. you could try joining with your interest. Best bet is to type in you tube gut brain interviews and see where that leads you. Google The Gluten Summit - I have just checked and links come up . also Google Chris Kresser podcasts. He interviews experts in their field . I have just googled Chris Kresser podcasts gut brain health. And links come up Gut Brain Axis . hope this helps x
See my reply above but in addition google Ari Whitten Gut Brain axis - you will get lots of info links there . And on his website the Energy Blue print.com x
See this website too - excellent. Lots of info if use the tabs. This link is just one page x
I have personal experience of high cortisol. I don't know anything about low estrogen.
If you want to see a thread I responded to extensively.
healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...
And this very old reply to a thread may be useful, but some of the links are broken.
healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...
A couple of other links:
hypothyroidmom.com/cortisol...
amymyersmd.com/article/adre...
It's so complicated isn't it. I've had a read through the old posts. I'm on a very healthy diet for gastritis and taking vitamins so on the right track. Apparently my estrogen is non existent which doesn't suprise me as I had early menopause but I'm looking into supplements and diet for that now. I didn't realise sea salt was needed. I've been on a low salt diet for a while so maybe I shall add sea salt to my food occasionally. Thankyou for your reply it's appreciated.
I listened to medical/gov advice years ago and cut my added salt to nil. None when cooking /eating food. Years later I learned that we should be having approx a teasp / 5 grams of salt. Those who have less are more likely to be unhealthy and die earlier. So much for advice on cutting salt. I like to use pink himalayan salt now. Never table salt re lack of other minerals. I follow British GP and heart specialist Dr Malcom Kendrick. He states in his latest book 'the Clot Thickens' his cumalitive research on what causes heart issues/disease, that it really is a waste of time worrying about salt intake and can basically have as much as we would like for our taste. x
That's interesting to know. I shall introduce some salt again. I don't use it in cooking but it obviously is important to health. Things go in circles, tea was bad but now it's good etc etc. The best thing is to have things in moderation and just eat healthy. I try and get organic meat and fruit but it's ridiculously expensive!!
We go to Waitrose just for their grass fed / foraged beef and lamb . states so on the packet. 3 packets of mince and steak for stew for £10, 3 sirloin or rump steaks for £10. Wild Keto pink salmon - 3 packs (2 pieces per pack) for £10. I think that is very reasonable as reared and fed properly and not factory farmed. Organic fruit and veg is a little more expensive but it is more expensive to produce not using herbicides/ insecticides. Our parents used to spend a high percentage of their income on food. Today we have become used to cheap food because of the factory farming exploitation of animals and ourselves swapping quality and healthy for cheapness that's what's ridiculous. Years ago i signed a petition and followed it through by emailing Tesco where i then shopped as to whether the milk sold there was from dairy herds that were out in fields eating grass. always huge photos in store of happy cows in grassy meadows. Tesco's reply was - if you want to be assured that the milk comes from cows fed on grass then you must buy our organic milk . Says it all x
Hi, I don't want to burst your bubble but Waitrose meat is no different, it is just words on the packaging, as an ex dairy farmer I can tell you all UK cows eat grass, out in the fields weather permitting and in silage (pickled grass) form along with maize (looks like sweetcorn in the fields) in the winter along with concentrated feed, as cows really don't like being out in cold wet fields... it's really unhealthy for their feet and well being, you should try getting them out of the cosy shed in the winter, even in the spring they run around for 10 minutes then want to come back in! They are not the shaggy beast of old, unless you stick to native breeds, the majority of beef is from continental breeds which grow faster, more akin to race horses especially dairy breeds.
Farming at scale is the only way to keep the cost down, along with all the red tape, raising your own in a paddock is sadly a novelty and luxury for the wealthy these days.
Organic animals have the same life just with less additives
You are right supermarkets portray this rosie image to make you feel better but the fact is unless you pay for organic farmed meat, fruit and veg (which has standards) things are all farmed in much the same way as the public want cheap food and are happy to be conned about the welfare 😕
Hi, thanks for this Eyore. Yes I appreciate cows/cattle wouldnt want to be out in our winters. But we have to find the farmers who feed their cows /cattle hay, dried pickled grass as you mention and not grain. Grain fattens the animals quickly and alters their fat profile which is certainly not healthy for us humans or the cows. I used to be able to go to a farmers market and one of the farmers there explained to me exactly what they were fed - out in the fields asap and in the winter hay and fermented grass. They didnt use the supplemental food of grain. His farm was high above huddersfield /Halifax on the moors. The other farmer there, raised Water Buffalo because they, due to their hardy nature were happy to be out in the fields for the whole year. She had been concerned about the amount of the antibiotics they had to give and so switched to Water Buffalo.
Not all meat in Waitrose is labelled organic grass forage fed that is because they can't label as such because it isn't. Just like the fruit and veg, most isn't packaged as organic because it isn't. You can find packaged wild salmon but most of the salmon for sale is farmed, one of the worse culprits is the adverised Scottish Loch salmon so much controversy about the unhealthy lice riddled Scottish Salmon escaping the lochs and so contaminating the wild salmon population. I once went to the fish market and asked for Sea Bass, niaively I had thought it would be wild, caught because of the name. I checked with the fishmonger and he replied 'oh no , it is farmed. I can get you from the sea next week from the docks but it will be twice the price.
Antibiotics is another reason to buy organic and forage fed. Automatcally added to animal food I believe unless organic. Far more antibiotics used in farming than given to humans. Our health and the health of our microbiome cannot sustain constant exposure to antibiotics through the animals we farm and eat.
Nor can we expect to be healthy if exposed constantly to glyphosate used on crops unless organically grown. Google Glyphosate. youtube interview Glyphosate Dr Mercola interviews Dr Seneff
So our only option is to eat organic , grass forage fed. Yes you pay a bit more, but we are paying for our health and who wouldn't. Its about choices. My supermarket trolley is full of organic fruit and veg and organic grass fed meat, and wild salmon and no bottles of seed oils, pop, sugar , biscuits, crisps, cakes etc.
I believe that we shouldn't expect cheap food and if we do the country pays for it in health care
A link to glyphosate interview information
youtube.com/watch?v=RdmVhw4...
Absolutely agree with you, organic is the only safeguard
We go to Waitrose just for their grass fed / foraged beef and lamb
Sorry I didn't see the organic link in this?
The problem with beef stems from the BSE outbreak which now means beef animals have to be slaughtered by 18 months, not sure if this is true for sheep, they suffer from something called scrapie (I don't do sheep 🤢) to lower the chance of passing these brain diseases on.... so farmers have to fast track their growth, which is totally unnatural 😕
I think the whole globe has already been contaminated by glyphosates so...
I confess to biscuits... 🤭 otherwise as pure as the rather polluted driven snow 🤗
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Don't do the endocryn disruptors - non stick cookware either x
I stupidly watched that depressing film was it called Dark Waters 😩 humans are such *******!!
I'm a cast iron girl.... good for the muscles 💪
Wasn't it the by-product that was the bigger problem rather than the product itself?
The by product of making was poisoning the ecosytem , the employees, etc. But the use of teflon and so other nonstick was damaging the user. I have seen other documentaries and maybe the film you mention more recently. But I watched a documentary about how unsafe it was to use 48 years ago when I was 20. Which is what made me buy Prestige stainless steel pans when I was setting up home. Gosh was that expensive then. All still in use today though and look as good as new. x
I remember the words at the end of the film 🌎😱
I can't watch David Attenborough's beautiful programmes it's just so sad what we are destroying
I know, awful. And think of the scenes of the Koalas burning to death in the Australian forest fires. Stephanie Seneff (post above )hypothesizes that the farmers using glyphosate on the parameters of the forest dries out the trees hence the fires taking hold. Brazilian studies show that glyphosate is in the rain and consequently the ground water. Burning bio fuels from crops treated with glyphosate means it is in the air pollutionfrom traffic, home heating fuels, aviation fuels . Humans have made a real nightmare x
Have you tried cold pressed hemp oil? Any good?
Hi Eyore, sorry for late reply. I fell flat on my face literally in Waitrose Supermarket car park and the first to hit the ground was my nose. But worryingly my knee cap is 4x the size of my other knee. Spent all day yesterday in minor injuries for x-ray and Sunday the day I fell just being inconsoleable.
Had hemp oil yrs ago , I stopped as is still polyunsaturated fat which is inflammatory in the body. I only cook and eat saturated fat - see Dr Mark Hyman's book. Eat Fat get thin . I think it is called. You tube videos. I don't eat saturated fat because I want to lose any weight which you may think re the title. I just dont want the inflammatory cascade caused by polyunsaturated oils.
Also I think the ratio of omega is 6 to 3 poor. Should be 1:1 and not high in Omega 6 x
Poor you 🤕, I did something similar a few years back... it takes ages for your knee to settle down 😕
I'd just bought some as it is British, organic and local! I have been taking Omega 3 and thought this could balance it out?
“The specific replacement nutrient for saturated fat may be very important,” said lead author Dariush Mozaffarian, assistant professor in the department of epidemiology at HSPH and the department of medicine at Harvard Medical School. “Our findings suggest that polyunsaturated fats would be a preferred replacement for saturated fats for better heart health.”
Hemp seed oil is a hugely popular anti-inflammatory and is commonly used to provide relief from inflammation and the pain it can cause.
That’s because it has high quantities of gamma linoleic acid (GLA), an Omega-6 fatty acid metabolite, with anti-inflammatory properties. GLA is also great for boosting your immunity.
Now I'm confused 🤯Isn't anti-inflammatory good?
hi, thanks, I can't believe I did it.
inflammatory is not good . Immune system causes inflammation temporarily to heal but continuous inflammatory situation is not good. Which is why there is all the promotion of anti inflammatory this and that, polyphenols , berries etc, anti inflammatory properties.
Polyunsaturated oils are inflammatory, so when eat, digest and get into the blood stream they cause an inflammatory cascade. You'll have to look this up as I won't be explaining very well. But polyunsaturated oils have a molecule missing in their structure and so are constantly trying to balance by pinching a molecule from one another or something else - hence the term inflammatory cascade = ongoing state of inflammation happening. There were no polyunsaturated bottled oils until technology discovered how to obtain oil from seeds. (except in fish - cold water fish , their fat unlike ours has to be liquid in their cold environment ) When they discovered how to extract oil from seeds and the refining process, they had no market other than machine oil. But with the human propensity for making a profit, the bottled seed oils hit the supermarket shelves in the 1960's. And the desire for making billions was born no matter how many lies they told. Saturated Fat bad , Polyunsaturated Fat good . Yes tell me another! All helped by the fraudulent research of Ancel Keys. There have been hundreds of books if not thousands written. The Great Cholesterol Con by Dr Malcolm Kendrick 2007 to name one. About the Cholesterol, Saturated Fat /heart disease myth and propaganda .
The body uses saturated fat. When the liver has to convert the too much glucose it receives to fat. It converts it to saturated fat. Because thats the fat that it recognises. The body needs lots of fat. For instance for building its cell walls, so much so that it will grab on to any fat provided even if it is polyunsaturated fat. However using polyunsaturated fat will build integrally weak cell walls
Omega 6 oils are prevalent every where as are obtained from eating plants and animals that have been fed grains like chicken (instead of them eating an appropriate diet of insects and scratting about in compost heaps) Or cattle that are fed grain to fatten. Grain food is high in omega 6. So we get too much omega 6 anyway and throw our Omega 6 , 3 balance off . I believe from what I have read that it really should be a ratio of 1:1 - some say 2 (omega 6):1 (omega 3) Our diet today is more like 10:1 if not more which is going to lead to inflammation.
Also polyunsaturated oils do not need the body togo rancid in, heat from cooking will also make rancid or just stood on a shelf in the light or for too long. I believe hemp oil may not be classed as an industrially refined seed oil like all the others such as sunflower oil. But its still a polyunsaturated plant oil throwing more omega 6 on the cart. Coconut oil is saturated so fine and healthy. And olive oil is monounsaturated and so is good for you if cold pressed , unrefined and organic and not heated, so not used in cooking x
I still remember my fall in vivid slow-mo 😢
Everyday's a learning day I'm off down a rabbit hole 😉 I thought cold pressed was good ?
cold pressed is good as in cold pressed olive oil (monounsaturated) and coconut oil (saturated)
Hemp I looked up to answer your original question and is stated as polyunsaturated. So I would think it doesnt really matter how it is processed or not processed its still high in omega 6 which we can do without any more of. And I would think still missing an atom (atom not molecule) and so inflammatory. Its a big question
My thoughts are why have if I dont need to. I have natural saturated fat like butter, dripping. I cook with coconut oil. I do think olive oil is good for us as not an unstable oil if used cold, as it is monounsaturated so I may drizzle on salads, but its better to eat the olives. When did our ancestors as we evolved ever obtain oil from seeds other than eating the seed - proportions have to be considered. Like oranges may be good for us but a carton of orange juice isnt as contains probably 24 oranges and so far too many to eat at a sitting and far too much sugar therein x
ahh ok, this makes sense of my thinking when ordering, I eat very little in the way of Omega 6 rich foods, no processed, dairy, eggs, very little meat/fish unless super fresh, nuts and I was looking for an oil to drizzle that wasn't coconutty, and like you say I prefer my few olives whole.
It's the joy of dodging dairy and histamine
Right, I avoid dairy other than butter as it contains very little of the problematic caesin and lactose. So I eat the French unpasteurised Isigny. Milk to me is just sugar water as all the fat soluble vitamins are contained in the fat. But I do eat duck eggs. I read that many people have a problem with hens eggs as they are used in the vaccine industry and therefore could provoke the immune system. Which is why I use duck eggs. What do you do for vitamin K2 without some dairy fat?
Omega 6 is mainly in nuts and seed oils. In avocados which I do eat a lot of but feel that I can get away with as rarely eat chicken or any grain fed meats and never any seed oils.
Does coconut oil provoke histamine ? I often mix salad or drizzle on cider vinegar and mint. But I suppose you cant have vinegar as fermented - eek
Its a mammoth task to learn and the apply to own health issues isnt it. x
It really is a right old juggle, can't do avocado (high histamine/ releaser)
Coconut oil is ok just a bit coconutty in some situations 😬
I take K2 with my D3
I have got some cider vinegar brewing...
Other than sesame oil I struggle with nuts except pistachio and macadamia, tend to only occasionally have organic chicken breast...
I've got some nutritional books on the way so I can really get to grips with fine tuning.
So, I don't really get much omega 6, the hemp oil can stay...for now 😉
Been down the rabbit hole. The reason I take omega 3 fish oil is for EPA and DHA I think you will like this article 
nutraingredients-asia.com/A...
This looks really interesting thank you 🤗
I went down a rather different rabbit hole with a 3 day migraine😩 What are they all about hey 🤯 beans are a definite NO! Still waiting for my eyesight to defuzz... and brain too.... typically had 3 books arrive 🙄
Thankfully the weather is going to be reading weather this week 👏
Uggh migraines. I have had enough to last a lifetime.
Thought you may like this , if the rain continues
clinicaleducation.org/resou...
Ooooh 🙂 this looks lovely! Ideal replacement when it's to disgusting to walk and scrump an apple from the churchyard.... (Apples are flagged 100% on my intolerance test but they haven't got me yet, but this year I planted pear trees 🤞) I do love cinnamon, haven't eaten it for ages as other half not keen! Tomorrow, I stew. Rather good timing as today I'm attempting to make oat kefir and yoghurt... it's a very low bar as the shop bought ones are like wallpaper paste 😬🤗
Optician now booked for Wednesday which I thought was rather good until they told me why... people are dropping like fly's with norovirus 😷will this permacrisis never end 🙄
Hi Eyore, Have just been listening to Sayer Ji from Green Med Info (invaluable resource online that basically makes available research done on any topic , substance condition. I have used for years. He has had a free series podcast out last week . Replay this weekend 10/12. Regenerate Master Class. I think you would like him. Anyway I have copied his Q&A 2hrs. but you can pause it thank goodness. Lots of interesting stuff in there. Hopefully will not be taken down. But they do put all this work and effort in so you can't blame them for wanting to charge
Heres the link if you should want to watch. Great advocate of flax seed and commonsense 😀👍
The meat seems good value at Waitrose so will take a look when I'm up to it. I can't believe Tesco's though. No wonder farmers who farm properly go bust!!
It's not just Tesco. I just happened to email Tesco because I shopped there then to check their view. The petition I signed was highlighting about UK farming practice and please sign - that the cows providing the milk sold in the UK may not have even seen grass let alone ever grazed in a field x
HelenR23,
All hormones are intricately connected - Hypothalamus & pituitary axes connecting to thyroid/ovaries/adrenals and more. Examples of imbalance might be too much or too quickly raised T3 levels inflating cortisol, too much oestrogen encouraging less 'free' T4/T3, or falsely inflated blood cortisol results by increased CBG proteins (ie why members having a Stim need to be off oral oestrogen meds for several weeks prior).
Both oestrogen and cortisol can be gained from adipose tissue and are secreted by the adrenals after reduced/failed ovarian function but I don’t know of any direct links between low oestrogen levels and high cortisol except for the usual biological/social factors of peri-menopause, ie hot night sweats may result in lack of healthy sleep, memory/mood changes, possible reduced income, increased anxiety feeding further anxiety, etc).
High cortisol levels are common on the forum and known to cause anxiety. There are many more supplements known to reduce cortisol than raise it. You will be able to get better assessment if you have had DHEA tested as well. Have you had progesterone levels measured? FSH & LH?
My DHEA-S was at the low end of the scale. I don't know what FSH and LH are. I had early menopause so that's why estrogen is very low.
👋 still no postman?
Are you not on HRT? Low estrogen has me climbing the walls, gaslighting etc
Follicle Stimulating Hormone and Luteinising Hormone
No postman!! We've had post this week but nothing dodgy yet ha ha. Yes I'm very low in estrogen but never realised until I had this latest cortisol test. I never thought about HRT before. Is it ok to take if thyroid is being medicated? I've read horror stories about HRT. How long have you been on it?
Would you expect it to take a week first class?
Did we not talk HRT last time? Get yourself booked in!!
4 years absolutely brilliant, can't believe you haven't been offered some, you are looking to balance all of your hormones as they all affect each other, progesterone if you still have your bits and testosterone is often the missing piece of the puzzle.
Dr Louise Newson is the one to look out for and you want some of the body identical products
If you like a podcast check out Liz Earle she does a couple of great menopause and thyroid talks
A week 1st class post is outrageous!! I wonder if it went astray. If you put the postcode on it should be here by now. I shall check out the link you sent. I'm useless with my health, I just thought I had to put up with feeling like poo because of my age and thyroid. Learnt such a lot from this group. Thanks Eeyore.
I have experience of high cortisol and low estrogen. But I've never been able to tolerate HRT so can't comment on treatment for low estrogen.
You might find this thread helpful :
healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...
It is worth posting your results.
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