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If GP says no to Levo increase, what then?

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I'm worried my GP surgery now think I'm a Levo seeking junkie!

Currently on 50mg but experiencing hypo symptoms again. Just about functioning at work but on downhill slide from lunchtime and so tired I feel ill by the evening.

Recent test on 11/10/22

TSH 4.56 (0.55 - 4.78)

Had more tests on 25/11/10

TSH 4.3 (0.55 - 4.78)

T4 13.8 (11 - 22)

All tests done as advised on the forum.

SlowDragon has been most helpful consulting with me on post below but now fear I won't get any further with my GP, who suggested testing T4 to double check, even though I believe a 25mg increase is necessary. Now that T4 is showing in range it seems I've reached the end of the line (again!) I'm losing faith in my GP practice and wonder if I should consult a private endo?

At this point I feel like putting a GP education pack together for them so that they manage hypothyroid patients better!

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see different GP …..one who can read and understand guidelines

TSH over 2 indicates you need next 25mcg dose increase in levothyroxine

FT4: 13.8 pmol/l (Range 11 - 22)

Ft4 only 25.45% through range

Request/insist on next dose increase up to 75mcg levothyroxine per day…..as per clear guidelines

Bloods should be retested 6-8 weeks after each dose increase

TSH should be under 2 as an absolute maximum when on levothyroxine 

gponline.com/endocrinology-...

NHS England Liothyronine guidelines July 2019

 

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Page 9 

Test for Deficiency of any of the following: Vitamin B12, Folate,  Vitamin D, Iron

See page 13 

1. Where symptoms of hypothyroidism persist despite optimal dosage with levothyroxine. (TSH 0.4-1.5mU/L)

Graph showing median TSH in healthy population is 1-1.5

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Persevere - have all guidelines printed and be ready to quote them 

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Comprehensive list of references for needing LOW TSH on levothyroxine 

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

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Realtiger in reply to SlowDragon

Thank you for your excellent advice. It’s so helpful to have these references in one place. I have no problem constructing an argument but challenging the authority of medics does not come easily! 🙏

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Realtiger

Put everything in writing before consultation

Request 25mcg dose increase in levothyroxine

Turn the tables on them …..they would have to justify why they are ignoring guidelines and leaving you hypothyroid if won’t put dose up

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Jaydee1507Administrator

This is really tough as we have all been brought up to think that doctors know what they're doing. It's a real awakening to be a person being kept ill by their lack of knowledge and understanding in what is wrong with us.

You need to be sure of your facts and confidently challenge what this doctor is saying. Have printed medical papers that contradict what he's saying to give to him/her. Try a different doctor at the same practice and don't give up.

A private Endo may or may not be better, best stick with what you have and that is free. I had awful difficulty getting from 125 to 150mcgs Levo as my original GP told me I had 'had enough' and 125 Levo was a good dose and enough for everyone! It took a while but I got there by seeing a different GP who wasn't so number conscious.

Just stand your ground and know you're in the right.

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Realtiger in reply to Jaydee1507

Thank you for sharing - glad you could advocate for yourself and achieved a positive outcome. I’m quite used to wielding evidence and making arguments (it’s my job) but questioning doctors is another story. I’ll go in armed! 😈

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Regenallotment

keep trying and don’t give up. Present evidence and be brave. If you were advocating for a friend you would look at this differently. I know exactly how you feel, I’ve got the T-shirt! But your blood test results show room for improvement and that’s all you need to request the next dose up as an 8 week trial. Go for it! We are all here cheering you on 🦋💚🦋

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arTistapple

50mcg hardly seems a likely junkie dose. It’s a starter dose is it not? You have a good reply from @Slowdragon. I know it seems overwhelming (says I) but just try to find a quiet moment and gather together the information. It is still very hard for me to comprehend the depth of doctors’ ignorance (and fear from their peers). I am not as polite as I used to be handling them but I still find it difficult especially having brain fog.

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Realtiger

Thank you for your sweet message and encouragement. I’m trying to take the noble view that this is the product of an overstretched NHS and lack of in depth education in particular areas . Drug companies often fund continuing education programmes for GPs but, as the conventions for managing thyroid conditions are so established, I guess there’s little incentive to update their knowledge.

I’m on a mission now for me and every other patient in the practice who’s undermedicated!

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Dusty1990

I've had a looooong battle to get to a suitable dose. 50mcg is nothing, that's the starting dose. It was a battle to get up to 125mcg which is what I am in now - took about a year or so. I'm not really great at reading the results as such, but you do need to drive the message home with the GPs. You're the owner of your body, and you understand when something isn't right. You have to stand your ground.

Good luck! This forum helped me persevere through this slog!

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Partner20

My rheumatologists have always been extremely helpful in recommending dosage increases, which has been a bonus, as it saves both me and my GP the hassle of any argument! However, any prospective endo, or medic currently receiving endo training in my area will not be of much help to their future patients as my partner's endo, their clinical tutor, is of the opinion that the target TSH for a hypothyroid patient on levo is 4.3!!! Luckily, in this case, our GP never reads letters from consultants, and we will certainly not alert them to the one in which this is stated!!

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