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Challenging the TSH mantra

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diogenesRemembering
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The following is the synopsis of a compliation of articles relating to diagnosis of hypothyroidism by TSH. It is by Antonio Bianco & Jacqueline Jonklaas, two leaders in US thyroidology. It questions diagnosis by TSH. Again the US is way ahead of the UK in bringing such questions out into the open.

I quote:

This collection seeks to compile research that (re)defines success in the treatment of patients with hypothyroidism beyond normalization of TSH levels. We welcome (mini)review, perspective, or original research articles contributing to this effort.

frontiersin.org/research-to...

BackgroundHypothyroidism was first described in the 19th century, with effective treatment introduced approximately two decades later. Despite large experience accumulated over a century, some modern-day patients continue to experience persistent symptoms despite appropriate treatment.While a stated goal of the treatment of hypothyroidism is to resolve symptoms, most physicians focus on normalization of serum TSH values, which is the marker used to diagnose hypothyroidism and adjust the replacement dose of levothyroxine. However, the complete physiological replacement has not been possible in other hormones deficiency syndromes, and it may be presumptuous to assume that it can easily be achieved in hypothyroidism. Given the residual symptoms and metabolic abnormalities experienced by some patients, there is, therefore, a need to question and redefine therapeutic success in hypothyroidism. Potential issues to consider are whether there are other biomarkers of thyroid status, in addition to TSH, that may be important, and whether different biomarkers are important for different tissues. In addition, the relevance of the origin of the hypothyroidism and how to balance benefit in long-term versus immediate clinical outcomes.

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Potential issues to consider are whether there are other biomarkers of thyroid status, 

I wish someone would/ could devise a test to measure cellular T3 level!

Wishful thinking I guess!!

Knowing what is sloshing around in the serum is one thing, but unless that T3 reaches the nuclei of the cells and becomes active patients like me continue to suffer!

Without this forum I would not have known where to start looking for answers to what turned out to be this cellular deficiency. My health would have continued to deteriorate. Medics were clueless and the endo I saw said I should just take levo....which after 20+ years had left me barely able to function!

Sorry, ranting about T3 again!!

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carorueil

Thanks for this link - another one downloaded for my endo! 👍

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Charlie-Farley in reply to carorueil

glad you found it - I was going to tag you 😊👍

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humanbean

Despite large experience accumulated over a century, some modern-day patients continue to experience persistent symptoms despite appropriate treatment.

This is a strange comment to make. It implies that treatment hasn't changed for more than a century, but of course it has changed dramatically.

Levothyroxine was introduced with no comparisons being made with NDT which was the standard treatment before Levo.

And the introduction of TSH testing was done without any checks that the dosages given to patients based on TSH results led to good health for patients.

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DippyDame in reply to humanbean

I might also question the words, " appropriate treatment".

Surely if the appropriate (suitable or proper in the circumstance) treatment had been provided the patient would benefit.

What criteria did the prescriber use to determine the treatment?

Ergo, poor diagnosis with wrong treatment provided.

Result...."persistent symptoms".

What happened to joining up the dots...

They also failed to do that in the examples you highlighthumanbean

Little wonder so many patients suffer.

Maybe, just maybe, this conclusion offers hope...there is, therefore, a need to question and redefine therapeutic success in hypothyroidism

About time!!

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TSH110 in reply to DippyDame

Yes I totally agree - how can it be appropriate if it doesn’t restore health!

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TSH110

Thanks for posting this paper, I hope we follow suit, the discussion is heartening. Personally, I have found NDT has been easy to dose and I feel much better on it than I did for decades before any diagnosis of thyroid disorder and it’s a massive improvement on the two years of living hell I experienced on Levothyroxine. It may not be as difficult as they intone to help a lot of people have a decent quality of life and the choice to take it should be freely available. I’d be interested to see what happened if we were able to choose our therapy. I presume it’s feasible in the US but we don’t even make NDT any more - how very short sighted that was.

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK

It does include Colin Dayan (Cardiff) as the third topic editor. Which might help a bit in gaining UK acceptance?

(We do indulge in wishful thinking. But the alternative is dreadful.)

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DippyDame in reply to helvella

Re wishful thinking....

"Being positive in a negative situation is not naive....it's leadership".

.....but it's a hard slog some days!!!

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BB001

Notwithstanding the reply above by humanbean about thyroid treatment having changed over the last century not stayed the same as the authors state, my thought was 'in what profession would action (treatment) that doesn't resolve the problem (symptoms) be acceptable?

For example, think of a faulty car and a mechanic. If a customer took the car to a mechanic and asked him to fix 'a lack of acceleration, poor performance, and a knocking noise from the engine' and the mechanic gave them a litre of oil and said 'put this in the engine'. The customer (patient) would be dissatisfied that the poor performance, lack of acceleration and knocking noise (signs and symptoms of the original problem) continued and the solution (oil) didn't fix the problem. The customer would keep going back to the mechanic (doctor), until they finally gave up and took the car to another mechanic. So it's not surprising that patients change doctors in an effort to get the problem fixed. The ability of medics/researchers to state the obvious never ceases to amaze me.

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DippyDame in reply to BB001

Absolutely!

I had a lovely GP in the 1980s who once said....

"I'm just a mechanic for humans"

He was a car enthusiast and clearly saw the comparison.

And....he called a spade a spade which didn't always make him popular with some patients

RIP Dr G!

He was one of the best GPs I've ever consulted

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