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Water fluoridation in England

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I have just written to my Local MP about this as I think time is of the essence to stop it happening.

I have read that it can impact thyroid function?

I believe the type of fluoride to be used is hexafluorosilicic acid which is an industrial waste product from the pollution-scrubbing operations of the phosphate fertilizer industry, which is contaminated with heavy metals. The poor NHS will have to deal with the outcome of that 'poisoning'.

The Health & Care Bill, which is currently going through Parliament is to prepare us for 100% WF by transferring the decision from Local Authorities to DHSC. The Secretary of State will have complete power to authorise this without consulting local communities.

Maybe if enough of us wrote to our MP's we could gain the Public Consultation so we could all have our say?

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Birmingham already has fluoridated water. This article from 2015 is depressing :

fluoridealert.org/news/fluo...

Fluoride reduces IQ as well :

fluoridealert.org/studies/b...

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topaz1 in reply to humanbean

Unfortunately the Government seem to do what they want and dont take any notice of the scientists or the public.

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mrskiki in reply to humanbean

Yes, I think I get most of my fluoride from the naturally fluoride water here, toothpaste and tea. Although fluoridated water does appear to help reduce cavities, a bit of extra thought does need to go into adding things to the water supply when it's hard to remove domestically, as I'd personally rather just have a cup of tea. And the other potential long term effects need a bit more attention.

nature.com/articles/d41586-...

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to mrskiki

It concerns me that last time I heard a dentist commenting, they did claim better dental health. Then mentioned that, while dental fluorosis does occur, it is only a minor cosmetic issue.

We shouldn't be condemning anyone to dental fluorosis - even if it helps with cavities.

And I was not impressed by the lack of consideration of any impact on the rest of our bony tissue.

The prevalence of very mild/mild and moderate fluorosis was 41.1% and 21% for students either exposed to fluoridated water or not, respectively.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/343...

That is quite a significant level, in my view.

They say that there were few with esthetic implications. But that was at age 17 - 20. What happens in the next sixty years?

And if it is caused by a treatment (especially a blanket treatment that is supposedly a preventative measure) the cost of dealing with fluorosis should fall on society. (Maybe the water companies, the councils, the government, the advisors - who knows?)

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mrskiki in reply to helvella

I think some research in Ireland was looking into the combination of their blanket fluoridation of the water since the 60s and high black tea consumption with concerns of fluorosis. And making the point total dietary intake needed consideration, from water, food cooked and reconstituted food (including baby formulas/food), medications and dental products, and that this can't really be controlled now it's added into the water supply.

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to mrskiki

Very much the direction I am looking towards.

Just saw this:

Effect of Fluoride on Cytotoxicity Involved in Mitochondrial Dysfunction: A Review of Mechanism

Mingbang Wei1,2†, Yourong Ye1,2†, Muhammad Muddassir Ali3, Yangzom Chamba1,2, Jia Tang1,2* and Peng Shang1,2*

1College of Animal Science, Tibet Agriculture and Animal Husbandry College, Linzhi, China

2The Provincial and Ministerial Co-founded Collaborative Innovation Center for R&D in Tibet Characteristic Agricultural and Animal Husbandry Resources, Linzhi, China

3Institute of Biochemistry and Biotechnology, University of Veterinary and Animal Sciences, Lahore, Pakistan

Fluoride is commonly found in the soil and water environment and may act as chronic poison. A large amount of fluoride deposition causes serious harm to the ecological environment and human health. Mitochondrial dysfunction is a shared feature of fluorosis, and numerous studies reported this phenomenon in different model systems. More and more evidence shows that the functions of mitochondria play an extremely influential role in the organs and tissues after fluorosis. Fluoride invades into cells and mainly damages mitochondria, resulting in decreased activity of mitochondrial related enzymes, weakening of protein expression, damage of respiratory chain, excessive fission, disturbance of fusion, disorder of calcium regulation, resulting in the decrease of intracellular ATP and the accumulation of Reactive oxygen species. At the same time, the decrease of mitochondrial membrane potential leads to the release of Cyt c, causing a series of caspase cascade reactions and resulting in apoptosis. This article mainly reviews the mechanism of cytotoxicity related to mitochondrial dysfunction after fluorosis. A series of mitochondrial dysfunction caused by fluorosis, such as mitochondrial dynamics, mitochondrial Reactive oxygen species, mitochondrial fission, mitochondrial respiratory chain, mitochondrial autophagy apoptosis, mitochondrial fusion disturbance, mitochondrial calcium regulation are emphasized, and the mechanism of the effect of fluoride on cytotoxicity related to mitochondrial dysfunction are further explored.

Open access here:

frontiersin.org/articles/10...

(I think this is the first time I have linked to a paper originating from Tibet. Welcome.)

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to helvella

Also interesting:

The use of hydroxyapatite toothpaste to prevent dental caries

Kelsey O’Hagan-Wong,1 Joachim Enax,2 Frederic Meyer,2 and Bernhard Gansscorresponding author1

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Abstract

Dissolution of hydroxyapatite from the tooth structure at low pH can lead to the irreversible destruction of enamel and dentin, which if left untreated can result in pain and tooth loss. Hydroxyapatite toothpastes contain hydroxyapatite particles in micro- or nanocrystalline form that have been shown to deposit and restore demineralized enamel surfaces. As such, they are currently being explored as a fluoride-free anti-caries agent. This narrative review article aims to summarize the recent findings of the research investigating the remineralization potential of HAP toothpaste in vitro, in situ and in vivo, as well as some other applications in dentistry.

Keywords: Hydroxyapatite, Oral care, Enamel, Toothpaste

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

You can buy hydroxyapatite toothpaste that is fluoride-free!

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Alanna012 in reply to helvella

Thanks! Who knew? My local health shop only does non-flouride with natural extracts, so I've just looked that up and brought 2 tubes of the biomed brand on Amazon and the sensitive mouthwash.

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mrskiki in reply to helvella

Looking up Tibet and their volume of fluorosis research, they seem to say the population had 'endemic fluorosis'!

Im going to try that toothpaste, although it will be odd as it says not to rinse.

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topaz1 in reply to mrskiki

What an interesting article. I ddnt know about the prenatal aspect.

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Alanna012

My god it sounds awful! I'm so poor, I simply cannot afford one of those sparkly water filtration systems. I don't want flouride water in my bath, hell no😥

The thought of heavy metals getting into the water makes me feel sick. I have dental amalgam fillings and I asked my dentist about having them removed and she said they were too deeply embedded and worse, degraded. She believes in getting them removed if you can afford it. I don't need more.

I think people are largely sleeping on the issue and the newspapers aren't reporting on it either.

I think it would be good if someone could get a slot on one of those 'ask an M.P.' radio segments and ask why they are doing this.

I doubt my MP will give a toss unfortunately, not a trendy social subject that she has a record for debating.

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Margo in reply to Alanna012

GB News particularly Mark Steyn is good on reporting issues that other media outlets won't. He is talking about every nation being signed up to the WHO, which will give them carte blanche to shut us down and force vaccines at the very hint of a "pandemic". The fluoride situation is just the tip off the iceberg. It's looking very frightening out there and most people haven't got a clue.

I recommend you watch GB News they are reporting the facts not the BBC/MSM propaganda.

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Alanna012 in reply to Margo

I get GB news on Youtube sometimes, odd segments along with TalkRadio. I largely avoid the corporate MSM and rarely even tune into radio news, it's all the same. Only thing I watch these days is WION news. But I will start tuning into GB news more, especially if it's giving attention to important things like this, thanks!

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Margo in reply to Alanna012

Excellent, I think you will find a very different point of view from the MSM.

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mrskiki

Dentists seen to be in favour, I don't understand it myself as the kids who they think will benefit are probably drinking sugary drinks not water! I'd like a choice and as little tampering and possible (remembering Camelford).Fluoride is quite expensive to remove at home once it's in there.

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Margo in reply to mrskiki

I suspect they are given back handers that's why dentists are on board.

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Alanna012 in reply to mrskiki

Increasingly in Britain we seem to be adopting this 'we all have to have the government save us from ourselves' attitude.

The Sugar tax was an example of this. I disliked it. Ultimately it ruined the taste of many things I formerly liked (I can't stand Ribena now) and companies filled up their foods with artificial sweeteners and omega 6 fats instead. Which doesn't stop people from eating badly. But it was 'for the kids'.

Now it's 'lets add flouride to the water' in a bid to do the same. Again for the kids they say.

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