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Can changing Levo brand make you go hyperthyroid even at the same dose?

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I changed from Accord to Mercury Pharma Group Levothyroxine 2 weeks ago. I've just gone abroad for a week and the last 2 nights I haven't been able to sleep at all. I've never had this in my life where I'm bolt awake, tossing and turning every few seconds, and just can't sleep. It feels like a chemical awakeness. It's absolutely torture.

I'm on 100mcg Levo, is it possible that the Mercury 100mcg are somehow stronger/more effective than Accord, and it's made me hyperactive? Does anyone have any experience with this?

I've been taking 100mcg of Accord Levo for about 6 months as that is the dose that has worked best for me.

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Lunario profile image
Lunario

I'm just making assumptions, but I think it could be that your previous brand has some additives that could affect absorption, which is probably not the case with the new brand.

Was there a compelling reason for the change?

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alconcal in reply toLunario

I changed doctors (moved from hometown to London) and this is what they gave me. I didn't question it because I didn't realise it would have any effect.

That's an interesting point you make, is Accord known to have more additives in than Mercury then?

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Lunario in reply toalconcal

Sorry, I know neither one brand nor the other.

But I know the first rule when taking thyroxine: never change the brand unless there is a compelling reason, for instance, some sort of intolerance against one or more of the preserving additives.

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alconcal in reply toLunario

Thanks so much for your help. This makes me so mad mine was changed for literally no reason whatsoever. I'm going to have to fly back from my trip early now because of this to sort as it's currently torturous how I'm currently feeling.

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Alanna012 in reply toalconcal

Rather than fly back early, could you not try reducing the dose by half or a quarter or even cutting it out altogether for a couple days?

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alconcal in reply toAlanna012

I haven't taken it today just to see the impact that will have. I'm just a bit reluctant to start screwing around with my doses again after it took me so long to figure out that 100mcg was my sweet spot with Accord.

I did actually just find a strip of Accord tablets in my bag which will last me a few days, so I'll take these tomorrow until I get home.

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Lunario in reply toalconcal

I'm sorry for you. No way to get your old brand from wherever you are now on this planet?

Thyroxine is obviously an extremely fussy hormone and depending on other conditions just a little change can cause much trouble. Finding the right dosage can be time-consuming, and it needs a lot of patience because it takes some weeks for the body to adjust to a new dose.

I am sure the experts on this forum will have some more helpful hints for you.

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alconcal in reply toLunario

Thank you. I'm in Poland at the minute, but was planning on going somewhere else next (not sure where, I was supposed to be in Vienna for a month but they went full lockdown so now I'm sort of floating around) but now I think I'll just return home so I can get more Accord Levo.

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Lunario in reply toalconcal

Take care out there.

Stay healthy.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toalconcal

"More additives" is open to many interpretations.

More in total quantity? Or more entries in a list of ingredients?

The number and amounts only seem important if there is an issue with them.

Is it possible to purchase any wherever you are? In some countries, it can be sold without prescription.

Someone else suggested cutting down the dose which seems reasonable.

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Lunario in reply tohelvella

EDITED - moved at correct position

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SeasideSusieRemembering in reply toalconcal

alconcal

You can check the ingredients of different UK brands here:

thyroiduk.org/if-you-are-hy...

That is exactly was I was going to suggest.

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tattybogle

Several years ago i noticed that one brand felt a bit 'slower' and one brand felt a bit 'faster'

Sorry, i realise that's not a technical description.. but imagine getting drunk on beer , and compare it to getting drunk on champagne .. if you see what i mean .. drunk .. but different.

anyway the 'faster' one was Mercury (the slower one was Teva )

I don't know if it affected my blood levels at all , but it certainly 'felt' different .... Mercury felt like it 'got there all at once' very quickly after i took it, and i felt a bit jittery , slight headache coming on, a bit more agitated . (Teva felt like i just went 'flat' over a few days if i'd previously felt good)

One thing to consider .. you may 'get used to it' and feel OK again

I always found that after 2 or 3 weeks on Mercury i got used to it and didn't have any problem anymore . I still get Mercury now , but try to keep brand the same all the time if possible , even though i don't touch Teva anymore .

I'd agree with the suggestion to maybe try a VERY SLIGHTLY reduced dose for a few days.... but not sure how you'd manage that if you only have 100mcg tablets .. i suppose you could half one and just take 50mcg one day then 6 days of 100mcg.... that evens out at about 92mcg .

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helvellaAdministrator in reply totattybogle

I entirely agree with your description.

On Mercury Pharma, it felt as if it hit faster, possibly peaked higher, but was fading by the next tablet. Whereas Accord (Actavis at the time) seemed not to have the same sort of peak, and to continue right up to the next dose. That is, a much smoother ride.

Quite possibly, I suggest, it depends somewhat on whether we are not quite adequately dosed, or very slightly over-dosed?

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tattybogle in reply tohelvella

yes i agree , reaction probably depends on if we are very slightly over or under to start with .

Mind you .. i don't really enjoy getting drunk using either beer or champagne.... i prefer to get drunk using Moniack Mead .

Perhaps we should write a bar list for thyroid hormone replacements:

warm flat beer - teva Levo

champagne - mercury Levo

mead - ? (i'll let you know when i find it)

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Mollyfan

Hi. I have had a very similar experience, but in reverse. I was very happy on Mercury with a T4 around 15-20. The pharmacist switched me to accord in the summer and I felt very ill. Ended up in AE with tachycardia of 140 resting and palpitations. Also felt sluggish, anxious and had muscle pain. Repeat TFT showed my T4 had dropped to 10 within 2 weeks. I am sure accord suits some people very well but I will never take it again and insist on Mercury only now.

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guidelines for GP if you find it difficult/impossible to change brands

gov.uk/drug-safety-update/l...

If a patient reports persistent symptoms when switching between different levothyroxine tablet formulations, consider consistently prescribing a specific product known to be well tolerated by the patient. If symptoms or poor control of thyroid function persist (despite adhering to a specific product), consider prescribing levothyroxine in an oral solution formulation.

academic.oup.com/jcem/artic...

Physicians should: 1) alert patients that preparations may be switched at the pharmacy; 2) encourage patients to ask to remain on the same preparation at every pharmacy refill; and 3) make sure patients understand the need to have their TSH retested and the potential for dosing readjusted every time their LT4 preparation is switched (18).

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alconcal in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you so much for this

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san_ray70

As our pharmacist puts mine in day boxes I do not know what brand they are. So far I have not had a problem, but my symvastatin keeps changing shape all the time.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply tosan_ray70

You can identify the make by checking the markings on the tablets. My medicines documents has details for all UK makes.

helvella - Thyroid Hormone Medicines

I have created, and try to maintain, a document containing details of all thyroid hormone medicines in the UK and, in less detail, many others around the world.

From Dropbox:

dropbox.com/s/shcwdwpedzr93...

From Google Drive:

drive.google.com/file/d/12N...

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply tosan_ray70

High cholesterol suggests under medicated for hypothyroid

nhs.uk/conditions/statins/c...

If you have an underactive thyroid (hypothyroidism), treatment may be delayed until this problem is treated. This is because having an underactive thyroid can lead to an increased cholesterol level, and treating hypothyroidism may cause your cholesterol level to decrease, without the need for statins. Statins are also more likely to cause muscle damage in people with an underactive thyroid.

Suggest you write your own post with latest thyroid and vitamin results

Always test thyroid levels as early as possible in morning before eating or drinking anything other than water and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

ALWAYS take levothyroxine minimum 2 hours away from all other medications and supplements

Levothyroxine always on empty stomach and then nothing apart from water for at least an hour after

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