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I recently began experiencing weird symptoms, so extreme they looked like a stroke but a and e said not, referred to neurology waiting on tests. My bloods showed low b12 so have had loading injections, I was also severely vit d deficient earlier in the year but that is now in range. I have had borderline thyroid hormones for years, females in my family all hypothyroid and treated but I am always told it’s not low enough. The neurologist was interested as hypothyroid might contribute to the muscle cramps, weakness, tingling, nerve pain etc I am experiencing on daily basis, but it all gets confused with b12, and a long list of possible causes they are working through very slowly. I am interested to hear if neurological symptoms are common in hypothyroidism and also whether more in depth testing of thyroid might reveal more. So far have only had nhs tests, no antibodies or genetic testing.

So far b12 has made no impact on my symptoms which are impacting daily life, can’t work.

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Welcome to the forum

Extremely common for patients who start of getting low B12 diagnosed and treated to find that actually hypothyroidism is under lying reason

Please add most recent results and ranges on any thyroid tests you have had done

Literally thousands of U.K. patients need to test privately to make progress

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 plus both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested. Also EXTREMELY important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

Low vitamin levels are extremely common, especially if you have autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashimoto's) diagnosed by raised Thyroid antibodies

Ask GP to test folate and ferritin levels

Or test privately

Recommended on here that all thyroid blood tests should ideally be done as early as possible in morning and before eating or drinking anything other than water .

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or thyroid antibodies or all relevant vitamins

List of private testing options

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Medichecks Thyroid plus vitamins including folate (private blood draw required)

medichecks.com/products/thy...

Thriva Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins By DIY fingerpick test

thriva.co/tests/thyroid-test

Thriva also offer just vitamin testing

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes antibodies, cortisol and vitamins by DIY fingerprick test

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

If you can get GP to test vitamins and antibodies then cheapest option for just TSH, FT4 and FT3

£29 (via NHS private service ) and 10% off if go on thyroid uk for code

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

monitormyhealth.org.uk/thyr...

If you have lots of family members with autoimmune diseases, then it’s highly likely you have Hashimoto’s

See flow chart on top of page 2

gp-update.co.uk/Latest-Upda...

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Mag999 in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you! Will follow all that up.

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humanbean

muscle cramps, weakness, tingling, nerve pain

All of the above are common in people with low nutrients. And low nutrients are common in people who are hypothyroid and under-treated, or who have waited a long time for treatment and are still waiting.

Regarding cramp, you might find this reply I wrote for someone else to be useful :

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Ultimately, to get rid of the symptoms you've listed above you need to find out what level of thyroid hormones you have and get treated adequately if you need treatment.

But irrespective of your thyroid hormones, if they are okay, then you can still end up low in nutrients for all sorts of reasons, and so anyone with your symptoms needs to find out and optimise their levels.

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What was latest vitamin D level

Presumably you are on high maintenance dose vitamin D?

Essential to retest vitamin D twice year when on supplements and after severe deficiency

GP will often only prescribe to bring vitamin D levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

NHS Guidelines on dose vitamin D required

ouh.nhs.uk/osteoporosis/use...

But improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly via vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function. There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with autoimmune disease we frequently need higher dose than average

Calculator for working out dose you may need to bring level to 40ng/ml = 100nmol

grassrootshealth.net/projec...

Government recommends everyone supplement October to April

gov.uk/government/news/phe-...

Taking too much vitamin D is not a good idea

chriskresser.com/vitamin-d-...

With your Vit D, are you also taking it's important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7?

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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As you have B12 injections it’s recommended also to supplement a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in (not folic acid) may be beneficial.

This can help keep all B vitamins in balance and will help improve B12 levels too

Difference between folate and folic acid

chriskresser.com/folate-vs-...

B vitamins best taken after breakfast

Igennus Super B is good quality and cheap vitamin B complex. Contains folate. Full dose is two tablets per day. Many/most people may only need one tablet per day. Certainly only start on one per day (or even half tablet per day for first couple of weeks)

Or Thorne Basic B is another option that contain folate, but is large capsule

If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

Have you had iron and ferritin tested?

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Mag999 in reply toSlowDragon

My vit d was 20, now up to 250 so I stopped supplement and should be tested again next week, I regularly become deficient looking back, I always assumed I was ok as I worked outdoors. I plan to take a high strength dose twice a week through the winter, I understand too much vit d is potentially harmful as it’s isnt a water soluble vitamin.? I did a finger prick thyroid screen with thriva and my Tsh was 4.9 I think, but when I went to gp and they did blood it was normal range, 2.5 ish. They said finger prick inaccurate method? So they are going to do another thyroid screen as my symptoms are getting worse, and include tpo, not sure they do all the antibody tests. Will post those once I get them. Also looking into all mineral supplements as I have been low in calcium as well and am ostepaenic. Thanks for your help, much appreciated and very clear!

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toMag999

Calcium naturally increases as vitamin D rises. This is why it’s important to supplement vitamin K2 mk7 to help direct extra calcium into bones

Yes it’s important not to take too much vitamin D

Vitamin D is toxic in excess

Aiming for somewhere around 100nmol

Better to take lower maintenance dose regularly that stop start dosing

Test twice year

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toMag999

I plan to take a high strength dose twice a week through the winter

Might be smoother using smaller daily vitamin D mouth spray at 1000iu per day

betteryou.com/vitamin-d-k2?...

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